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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: koods]
    #19383028 - 01/07/14 03:05 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Then it's a good thing my positions aren't based on which wing is bleating the loudest.

If you actually believe what you state in the last sentence you've got blinders on.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19383048 - 01/07/14 03:09 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Scientific results don't care about politics.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #19383055 - 01/07/14 03:10 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

It doesn't have to do with bleating. You obviously aren't reading the papers themselves and thinking critically about them. You're reading articles like the one you posted which talking about the issue without discussing data and positing arguments. Some of the arguments may not be sound, but it's better to parse through them and discover which ones are (and some of them are) than to focus your attention on vague soundbites fed to you by the mass media propaganda engines that are funded by the richest empires in the world. It's almost like this guy is laughing in your face when he claims that scientists who investigate climate changing are doing it for the money, because the case is exactly vice versa.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Patlal]
    #19383057 - 01/07/14 03:11 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Patlal said:
Scientific results don't care about politics.




Correct, nor do they care about which scientist belong to what organization.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: morrowasted]
    #19383065 - 01/07/14 03:13 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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It doesn't have to do with bleating. You obviously aren't reading the papers themselves and thinking critically about them. You're reading articles like the one you posted which talking about the issue without discussing data and positing arguments. Some of the arguments may not be sound, but it's better to parse through them and discover which ones are (and some of them are) than to focus your attention on vague soundbites fed to you by the mass media propaganda engines that are funded by the richest empires in the world. It's almost like this guy is laughing in your face when he claims that scientists who investigate climate changing are doing it for the money, because the case is exactly vice versa.




That's exactly what I was thinking reading Richard Lindzen's piece. There was very little actual scientific data in there, it was mostly just a summary of what he believes, not the specifics behind why or how he came to that conclusion.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19383069 - 01/07/14 03:14 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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Patlal said:
Scientific results don't care about politics.




Correct, nor do they care about which scientist belong to what organization.




True.

I sucks that politics affects which scientific fact we choose to believe.

Common sense states that once it's a fact, well its a fact. Sadly some people's interests don't like science to interfere with their profit margin


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: morrowasted]
    #19383073 - 01/07/14 03:15 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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It doesn't have to do with bleating. You obviously aren't reading the papers themselves and thinking critically about them. You're reading articles like the one you posted which talking about the issue without discussing data and positing arguments. Some of the arguments may not be sound, but it's better to parse through them and discover which ones are (and some of them are) than to focus your attention on vague soundbites fed to you by the mass media propaganda engines that are funded by the richest empires in the world. It's almost like this guy is laughing in your face when he claims that scientists who investigate climate changing are doing it for the money, because the case is exactly vice versa.




You obviously don't know what I've read and what I haven't. I can assure you I spend the greatest part of my day reading to learn. It's one of my hobbies.

There are papers that make the case both ways.

Seeing as the models are wrong, the predictions are wrong... I choose to laugh at those who claim we're fucked.

We just don't know and damaging economies based on what we truly don't know is astonishingly stupid.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Crystal G]
    #19383079 - 01/07/14 03:16 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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That's exactly what I was thinking reading Richard Lindzen's piece. There was very little actual scientific data in there, it was mostly just a summary of what he believes, not the specifics behind why or how he came to that conclusion.




Which is why his work is worth looking into.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Patlal]
    #19383089 - 01/07/14 03:18 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Patlal said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Patlal said:
Scientific results don't care about politics.




Correct, nor do they care about which scientist belong to what organization.




True.

I sucks that politics affects which scientific fact we choose to believe.

Common sense states that once it's a fact, well its a fact. Sadly some people's interests don't like science to interfere with their profit margin




Common sense shows that as we learn, what we thought were facts... aren't always.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19383220 - 01/07/14 03:41 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Patlal said:
Scientific results don't care about politics.




Correct, nor do they care about which scientist belong to what organization.




wrong. Science produced by organizations that have a vested interest in a particular result is generally viewed with much skepticism - whether it be a pharmaceutical company's assessment of one of their products or cato's assessment of climate change.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: koods]
    #19383310 - 01/07/14 03:57 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

:lmafo:

It doesn't matter how it's viewed, it matters if it's right.

Here's a tip though... re-read Patlal's and my comment.

They were about scientific results, not the opinions or skepticism of others.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19383337 - 01/07/14 04:02 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

It's common sense, man. Someone who is being paid to promote a particular viewpoint is inherently biased. Cato is not interested in promoting good science, they are interested in promoting the interests of their benefactors.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: koods]
    #19383401 - 01/07/14 04:11 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Ah, so in your world common sense triumphs over scientific results?


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: koods]
    #19383436 - 01/07/14 04:15 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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The right wing position on climate change is driven by their political allies and benefactors in the business community. The left does not have extremely wealthy and influential allies trying to promote a particular take on the science.




Oh no?  How did Al Gore get so rich from it?

My position on the AGW craze is this.  The climate changes.  It always has.  See this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Project_for_Ice_Coring_in_Antarctica

There is absolutely nothing exceptional about the current state of the climate.  If anybody has an agenda here it is the environmentalist Luddites who would have us in teepees burning buffalo dung.  There have already been a few people expressing the desire that there be fewer people.  I always recommend that they should follow their beliefs and it take it one small step at a time.  Every little bit helps.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19385196 - 01/07/14 09:27 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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The right wing position on climate change is driven by their political allies and benefactors in the business community. The left does not have extremely wealthy and influential allies trying to promote a particular take on the science.




Oh no?  How did Al Gore get so rich from it?

My position on the AGW craze is this.  The climate changes.  It always has.  See this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Project_for_Ice_Coring_in_Antarctica

There is absolutely nothing exceptional about the current state of the climate.  If anybody has an agenda here it is the environmentalist Luddites who would have us in teepees burning buffalo dung.  There have already been a few people expressing the desire that there be fewer people.  I always recommend that they should follow their beliefs and it take it one small step at a time.  Every little bit helps.




http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/apr/17/desertification

I mean, maybe the climate has behaved like this before, but I'm sure in those times the earth did not have to support a population of close 8 billion people. I think what climate change studies show is that human activity plays a role in the function of the environment and all to often it is harmful.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Patlal]
    #19385348 - 01/07/14 09:54 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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I just read something extremely interest about how to reverse global warming (if it's indeed warming up)

The idea is extremely simple and very cheap. All we would need to do is mimic a volcano. Volcano shoot up million of tons of sulfur dioxide in the troposphere, wich in turn ascts as sunscreen. But if the eruption is strong enough, a couple thousand tons of reach the stratosphere. Once its in the stratosphere, the winds pick up the small amount and quickly spread it all around the world. The fact that it's in the stratosphere instead of the troposphere multiplies the sulfur's dioxide's effect by a lot.

So what a top scientist offered as a solution is to shoot some sulfur dioxide directly in the stratosphere. How? Using helium baloons tied to a long and light fire hose equipped with pumps every 100 to 300 metres. The earth would need 2 of these hoses, one in the northern himsphere one in the southern. Now where to get all the sulfur dioxide needed (which would be around 100000 tons annually, which represents less that a percent of our current emmission rate. Take in consideration the multipling effect of having it in the stratosphere, which is why we need such a low amount of it). The answer is, anywhere that has oil sands. Luckily Alberta has a shit ton of it that they simply stockpile become its too cheap to sell (by product of oilsand extraction).

The cost of such a project would only cost around 10 million per hose with an annual cost of 50 million. So why waste billions of clean energy. What's even better is that you can control exactly how much is needed and the process is easily reversable. It gets too cold? Remove some; too hot, shoot some more. We could easily control the global temparature using this simple solution. Seems farfetched as fuck, but its been proposed by top scientist and nobel prize winners.

Anyway, food for thought. I'm no expert, I practically copy pasted this from a book.

Discuss.




This could be the most ridiculous idea ever. Not sure if you're trolling.




We travel to the moon, we have pipelines thousands of kilometre long carrying millions of barrels of oil, we can control atoms to make a stop motion video, our phones are more powerful than all the computers 40 years ago, we can inject tiny robots in the bloodstream to cure desease... Bit when it comes to attaching helium balloons to a hose 18 miles high in order to send sulfure dioxide in the stratosphere, it the most ridiculous idea ever





Do you even realise what sulfur dioxide is?


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: koods]
    #19385737 - 01/07/14 11:05 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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You guys know that ship that got stuck in the ice on it's way to Antartica? The one which Indica's ship went and saved. Any idea what kind of research they were doing? I wonder why they don't mention it more in the news?

They were doing Climate Change research. How funny is it that they got stuck in ice and couldn't even make it to their destination because the antarctic ice sheets are spreading and growing faster than they have in decades. Even the icebreaker that went out to save them also got stuck in ice.

Must be because all the seawater got so hot... :grin: Wonder how the reports are going to read?


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-ciandella/2014/01/02/frozen-out-98-stories-ignore-ice-bound-ship-was-global-warming-missi




Ermagawsh. Ders ice in antarticter!







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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19385749 - 01/07/14 11:08 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

imagine if her won for president, he'd be all like, ya ice caps didnt melt as fast because of stuff im doing in office


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: koods]
    #19385764 - 01/07/14 11:11 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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The right wing position on climate change is driven by their political allies and benefactors in the business community. The left does not have extremely wealthy and influential allies trying to promote a particular take on the science.






hahahaha....


so al gore is broke?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-al-gores-net-worth-at-200-million/

I wonder where all that money came from?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/6491195/Al-Gore-could-become-worlds-first-carbon-billionaire.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/11/03/blood-and-gore-making-a-killing-on-anti-carbon-investment-hype/


what were you saying again?


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19385788 - 01/07/14 11:19 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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koods said:
The right wing position on climate change is driven by their political allies and benefactors in the business community. The left does not have extremely wealthy and influential allies trying to promote a particular take on the science.




Oh no?  How did Al Gore get so rich from it?




Gore made hundreds of millions by buying shares on Apple and by selling CurrentTV to Al Jazeera. He only made a fraction of his money from writing books on global warming.


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