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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: koods]
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the eskimos been saying that every year since 2007.
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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: koods]
#19382688 - 01/07/14 02:14 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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senior fellow at the Cato Institute

So what. That was hardly his only credential.
What a surprise.
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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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He's senior fellow at THE global warming denier think tank. Cato institute exists to promote limited regulation on business, and in particular environmental regulations on energy companies. In the past ten years, they have become the political voice of climate deniers. Your esteemed scientist is in the pocket of the oil and gas companies and has zero credibility.
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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: koods]
#19382837 - 01/07/14 02:38 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/01/06/the-polar-vortex-in-no-way-disproves-climate-change//?print=1
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Almost half of the Lower 48 will shiver under sub-zero wind chills Tuesday morning. Countless records will be set. Yet none of that means a thing about the existence of climate change, its severity or its consequences.
The breaking off of a large chunk of the polar vortex and its visit to the northern U.S. is a random event resulting from a serendipitous arrangement of weather systems. In short, the clockwise flow around giant areas of high pressure over Alaska and west of Greenland have forced the atmosphere’s steering currents to shove the vortex into the northern U.S.
It happened before humans dumped billions of tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and will happen again.
This polar vortex excursion is a single weather event directly affecting about 2 percent of the world.
Climate change is measured by evaluating continental to global trends in weather over decades – not events happening over a few days in a little region. For this reason, a fleeting cold wave (or snowstorm) over part of a continent should never be used as evidence for or against climate change.
The record shows winter temperatures have risen markedly in recent decades across the northern hemisphere.
In short, climate change has reduced the intensity/frequency of cold extremes averaged over time. But that doesn’t mean they’re over or have been eliminated. Events like the record cold in Europe in 2011 and this polar vortex event are clear examples of the exceptional cold weather extreme in a warming world.
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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: andrewmurray86]
#19382869 - 01/07/14 02:43 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Patlal said: I just read something extremely interest about how to reverse global warming (if it's indeed warming up)
The idea is extremely simple and very cheap. All we would need to do is mimic a volcano. Volcano shoot up million of tons of sulfur dioxide in the troposphere, wich in turn ascts as sunscreen. But if the eruption is strong enough, a couple thousand tons of reach the stratosphere. Once its in the stratosphere, the winds pick up the small amount and quickly spread it all around the world. The fact that it's in the stratosphere instead of the troposphere multiplies the sulfur's dioxide's effect by a lot.
So what a top scientist offered as a solution is to shoot some sulfur dioxide directly in the stratosphere. How? Using helium baloons tied to a long and light fire hose equipped with pumps every 100 to 300 metres. The earth would need 2 of these hoses, one in the northern himsphere one in the southern. Now where to get all the sulfur dioxide needed (which would be around 100000 tons annually, which represents less that a percent of our current emmission rate. Take in consideration the multipling effect of having it in the stratosphere, which is why we need such a low amount of it). The answer is, anywhere that has oil sands. Luckily Alberta has a shit ton of it that they simply stockpile become its too cheap to sell (by product of oilsand extraction).
The cost of such a project would only cost around 10 million per hose with an annual cost of 50 million. So why waste billions of clean energy. What's even better is that you can control exactly how much is needed and the process is easily reversable. It gets too cold? Remove some; too hot, shoot some more. We could easily control the global temparature using this simple solution. Seems farfetched as fuck, but its been proposed by top scientist and nobel prize winners.
Anyway, food for thought. I'm no expert, I practically copy pasted this from a book.
Discuss.
This could be the most ridiculous idea ever. Not sure if you're trolling.
We travel to the moon, we have pipelines thousands of kilometre long carrying millions of barrels of oil, we can control atoms to make a stop motion video, our phones are more powerful than all the computers 40 years ago, we can inject tiny robots in the bloodstream to cure desease... Bit when it comes to attaching helium balloons to a hose 18 miles high in order to send sulfure dioxide in the stratosphere, it the most ridiculous idea ever
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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Patlal]
#19382877 - 01/07/14 02:44 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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We're running out of helium.
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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: koods]
#19382888 - 01/07/14 02:45 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: morrowasted]
#19382892 - 01/07/14 02:46 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Patlal said: I just read something extremely interest about how to reverse global warming (if it's indeed warming up)
The idea is extremely simple and very cheap. All we would need to do is mimic a volcano. Volcano shoot up million of tons of sulfur dioxide in the troposphere, wich in turn ascts as sunscreen. But if the eruption is strong enough, a couple thousand tons of reach the stratosphere. Once its in the stratosphere, the winds pick up the small amount and quickly spread it all around the world. The fact that it's in the stratosphere instead of the troposphere multiplies the sulfur's dioxide's effect by a lot.
So what a top scientist offered as a solution is to shoot some sulfur dioxide directly in the stratosphere. How? Using helium baloons tied to a long and light fire hose equipped with pumps every 100 to 300 metres. The earth would need 2 of these hoses, one in the northern himsphere one in the southern. Now where to get all the sulfur dioxide needed (which would be around 100000 tons annually, which represents less that a percent of our current emmission rate. Take in consideration the multipling effect of having it in the stratosphere, which is why we need such a low amount of it). The answer is, anywhere that has oil sands. Luckily Alberta has a shit ton of it that they simply stockpile become its too cheap to sell (by product of oilsand extraction).
The cost of such a project would only cost around 10 million per hose with an annual cost of 50 million. So why waste billions of clean energy. What's even better is that you can control exactly how much is needed and the process is easily reversable. It gets too cold? Remove some; too hot, shoot some more. We could easily control the global temparature using this simple solution. Seems farfetched as fuck, but its been proposed by top scientist and nobel prize winners.
Anyway, food for thought. I'm no expert, I practically copy pasted this from a book.
Discuss.
So you're blocking sunlight? how much? seems like a crazy idea. Could plants still grow normally?
Ok, so by blocking sunlight, I'm not talking about putting a 3 inch thick plate of steel in the sky... Sulfur doxide is transparent just like CO2, the different is that the gas can reflet a certain amount of sunlight away from earth. Nobody could see the difference other than measuring instruments and eventually us, by measure the planets temprature and noticing the average has gone done 0.5 to 1 celsius.
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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: koods]
#19382901 - 01/07/14 02:48 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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koods said: He's senior fellow at THE global warming denier think tank. Cato institute exists to promote limited regulation on business, and in particular environmental regulations on energy companies. In the past ten years, they have become the political voice of climate deniers. Your esteemed scientist is in the pocket of the oil and gas companies and has zero credibility.
Right. So you can't refute what he says.
That's what I thought.
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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Patlal]
#19382912 - 01/07/14 02:49 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Another farfetched idea proposed by a top scientist is to have a fleet of solar powered boats in the ocean that shoots ocean water in the air (15ft) so that the water can by vaporized quicker, creating extra clouds in the sky which would reflect light away from earth (without cloud, earth would be extremely hot). Solar powered boats, non polluting, maybe a billion dollars to build enough. Put them in the pacific far away not to interfere with crops.
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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Patlal]
#19382928 - 01/07/14 02:51 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Fortunately, as many have pointed out, the likelihood of these schemes being necessary diminishes as time passes.
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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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koods said: He's senior fellow at THE global warming denier think tank. Cato institute exists to promote limited regulation on business, and in particular environmental regulations on energy companies. In the past ten years, they have become the political voice of climate deniers. Your esteemed scientist is in the pocket of the oil and gas companies and has zero credibility.
Right. So you can't refute what he says.
That's what I thought.
He has an agenda. His science is determined by that agenda.
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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19382949 - 01/07/14 02:54 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
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koods said: He's senior fellow at THE global warming denier think tank. Cato institute exists to promote limited regulation on business, and in particular environmental regulations on energy companies. In the past ten years, they have become the political voice of climate deniers. Your esteemed scientist is in the pocket of the oil and gas companies and has zero credibility.
Right. So you can't refute what he says.
That's what I thought.
He doesn't really say anything. It's an article where they quote him voicing his vague sense of skepticism in the face of vast hordes of data, claiming that everyone else is doing it because they're just trying to build their academic resumes. If I could read one his books I might be more open because I am intrigued but on its own the article is far less than convincing.
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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Patlal]
#19382952 - 01/07/14 02:54 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Yet another farfetched idea by the same group of scientists.
Coal power plant produce millions of tons of sulfur dioxide per year, what could be done is extend their chimneys so they go much higher ithe sky, and from there, simply use a hot air balloon delivery system attached to the chimney in order to lift the sulfur dioxide in the stratoshoere where it becomes extremely effective at reflecting sunlight. Only a handful of coal powerplants would need to do this in order to get results.
Again, proposed by top scientists, backed by a nobel prize winner that states that the most cost effective way of stopping global warning would be to inject sulfur dioxide in the stratosphere. What the other scientist are doing is making a delivery system.
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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19382960 - 01/07/14 02:55 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Fortunately, as many have pointed out, the likelihood of these schemes being necessary diminishes as time passes.
Are you even aware how your assessment of the science is completely driven by your politics?
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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Patlal]
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Other methods have been considered but they would be to inefficient.
- Shooting artillery shells filled with sulfur dioxide
- Making high sulfer bad jet fuel and flying jets in the stratosphere until they burn enough
There are plenty of ways to do it. The trick is to find the best way
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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: koods]
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You might be aware if you knew my politics.
Are you aware of the same regarding yourself?
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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Oh and btw, all the farfetched ideas I read about are all extremely cheap. Al Gore has been spending 300 million simply to raise awareness of the problem. The schemes all cost well below that price and actually solves the problem.
Al Gore disagrees because he says that its to simple to be true. Spoken like a true politician (they love expensive shit). Oh well
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The right wing position on climate change is driven by their political allies and benefactors in the business community. The left does not have extremely wealthy and influential allies trying to promote a particular take on the science.
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