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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: JonnyBtreed]
    #19381530 - 01/07/14 09:38 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

Yeah I guess you're more scientifically literate than the majority of the worlds leading scientists. I guess one event disproves an entire global phenomena right?
I guess all the agencies listed below are full of shit too.

Out of the Frying Pan, Into the Fire

Consider this timeline:

* Late 2007: The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)announces that the planet will see a one degree Celsius temperature increase due to climate change by 2100.

* Late 2008: The Hadley Centre for Meteorological Research predicts a 2C increase by 2100.

* Mid-2009: The UN Environment Programme predicts a 3.5C increase by 2100. Such an increase would remove habitat for human beings on this planet, as nearly all the plankton in the oceans would be destroyed, and associated temperature swings would kill off many land plants. Humans have never lived on a planet at 3.5C above baseline.

* October 2009: The Hadley Centre for Meteorological Research releases an updated prediction, suggesting a 4C temperature increase by 2060.

* November 2009: The Global Carbon Project, which monitors the global carbon cycle, and the Copenhagen Diagnosis, a climate science report, predict 6C and 7C temperature increases, respectively, by 2100.

* December 2010: The UN Environment Programme predicts up to a 5C increase by 2050.

* 2012: The conservative International Energy Agency’s World Energy Outlook report for that year states that we are on track to reach a 2C increase by 2017.

* November 2013: The International Energy Agency predicts a 3.5C increase by 2035.
http://www.thenation.com/article/177614/coming-instant-planetary-emergency#


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: i like cow poo]
    #19381562 - 01/07/14 09:47 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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i like cow poo said:
Yeah I guess you're more scientifically literate than the majority of the worlds leading scientists. I guess one event disproves an entire global phenomena right?





one event? it's been happening for 15 of the last 17 years

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Consider this timeline:

* Late 2007: The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)announces that the planet will see a one degree Celsius temperature increase due to climate change by 2100.

* Late 2008: The Hadley Centre for Meteorological Research predicts a 2C increase by 2100.

* Mid-2009: The UN Environment Programme predicts a 3.5C increase by 2100. Such an increase would remove habitat for human beings on this planet, as nearly all the plankton in the oceans would be destroyed, and associated temperature swings would kill off many land plants. Humans have never lived on a planet at 3.5C above baseline.

* October 2009: The Hadley Centre for Meteorological Research releases an updated prediction, suggesting a 4C temperature increase by 2060.

* November 2009: The Global Carbon Project, which monitors the global carbon cycle, and the Copenhagen Diagnosis, a climate science report, predict 6C and 7C temperature increases, respectively, by 2100.

* December 2010: The UN Environment Programme predicts up to a 5C increase by 2050.

* 2012: The conservative International Energy Agency’s World Energy Outlook report for that year states that we are on track to reach a 2C increase by 2017.

* November 2013: The International Energy Agency predicts a 3.5C increase by 2035.
http://www.thenation.com/article/177614/coming-instant-planetary-emergency#





lol... all predictions based on computer models, the same models that
already have the IPCC changing their tune with their most recent report,
and the glaciers/arctic ice that's supposedly disappearing, it's been
growing over the last 10 years which shows that the oceans arent warming
as they've claimed... Hmmmm, maybe it's just currents

http://www.dailytech.com/After+Missing+5+Predictions+IPCC+Cuts+Global+Warming+Forecast/article33457.htm


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: i like cow poo]
    #19381628 - 01/07/14 10:07 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

You know what makes a successful scientist?

Knowing how to setup your experiments to have the results match the thesis/agenda of the people or groups paying you.

I would wager that half the scientists that put out studies supporting global warming know damn well their "studies" are bullshit. But unfortunately there aren't all that many groups or governments funding research against global warming or climate change. So it's left up to the honest scientists who hate the amount of money spent on faulty climate change research when it could be spent on studying something that we can actually do something about that would make our lives better.

Again whenever I say this people like to assume I'm all for pollution and don't care about the earth. In fact it's the exact opposite. I believe the earth knows what it's doing and what it needs a hell of a lot better than humans do. I don't think humans are capable of "destroying" the earth with SUVs and hairspray. Corporations caught polluting should be fined, but to put the guilt of destroying the earth on the everyday citizen is absolute nonsense. Short of a worldwide nuclear apocalypse scenario I don't think we have as much of an impact as we'd like to believe. Even then. After all the humans are gone, after a few million years the Earth would be fine... :shrug:


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: JonnyBtreed]
    #19381648 - 01/07/14 10:14 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

Natural processes like volcanic eruptions put out more carbon dioxide and methane than humans could ever come close to matching. What humans need to focus on is the positive feedback loop that has already been set in motion as a result of melting ice, which reflects sunlight. As the ice becomes water, which absorbs rather than reflects sunlight, the heating process of the Earth will continue regardless of greenhouse gas levels.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: JonnyBtreed]
    #19381654 - 01/07/14 10:16 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

I think we're causing a mass extinction. The science and common sense is all there if you wish to view it. A global scientific consensus is about as reliable as it gets bud. I agree humans won't destroy the entire earth. Hopefully we'll just go extinct and leave some of the more peaceful creatures behind.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: i like cow poo]
    #19381673 - 01/07/14 10:20 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

The Earth will be fine. Most species will survive. Hell, even homo sapiens itself is likely to survive. What we're faced with is a return to the way things were 6000 years ago, when the best way to ensure that your tribe had maximal access to natural resources was to murder everyone in neighboring tribes. What we're facing is the brutal genocide of 6.5-7 billion humans that results from any situation in which the population exceeds the carrying capacity of the territory.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: JonnyBtreed]
    #19381681 - 01/07/14 10:22 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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You guys know that ship that got stuck in the ice on it's way to Antartica? The one which Indica's ship went and saved. Any idea what kind of research they were doing? I wonder why they don't mention it more in the news?

They were doing Climate Change research. How funny is it that they got stuck in ice and couldn't even make it to their destination because the antarctic ice sheets are spreading and growing faster than they have in decades. Even the icebreaker that went out to save them also got stuck in ice.

Must be because all the seawater got so hot... :grin: Wonder how the reports are going to read?


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-ciandella/2014/01/02/frozen-out-98-stories-ignore-ice-bound-ship-was-global-warming-missi




Ermagawsh. Ders ice in antarticter!


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: morrowasted]
    #19381686 - 01/07/14 10:23 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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The Earth will be fine. Most species will survive. Hell, even homo sapiens itself is likely to survive. What we're faced with is a return to the way things were 6000 years ago, when the best way to ensure that your tribe had maximal access to natural resources was to murder everyone in neighboring tribes. What we're facing is the brutal genocide of 6.5-7 billion humans that results from any situation in which the population exceeds the carrying capacity of the territory.



with that attitude that's exactly what we're looking at.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: theonlysun81]
    #19381698 - 01/07/14 10:26 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

it's not an attitude :rolleyes:


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: theonlysun81]
    #19381700 - 01/07/14 10:26 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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theonlysun81 said:
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morrowasted said:
The Earth will be fine. Most species will survive. Hell, even homo sapiens itself is likely to survive. What we're faced with is a return to the way things were 6000 years ago, when the best way to ensure that your tribe had maximal access to natural resources was to murder everyone in neighboring tribes. What we're facing is the brutal genocide of 6.5-7 billion humans that results from any situation in which the population exceeds the carrying capacity of the territory.



with that attitude that's exactly what we're looking at.




One persons genocide is another person's all you can eat buffet.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: koods]
    #19381845 - 01/07/14 11:00 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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koods said:
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You guys know that ship that got stuck in the ice on it's way to Antartica? The one which Indica's ship went and saved. Any idea what kind of research they were doing? I wonder why they don't mention it more in the news?

They were doing Climate Change research. How funny is it that they got stuck in ice and couldn't even make it to their destination because the antarctic ice sheets are spreading and growing faster than they have in decades. Even the icebreaker that went out to save them also got stuck in ice.

Must be because all the seawater got so hot... :grin: Wonder how the reports are going to read?


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-ciandella/2014/01/02/frozen-out-98-stories-ignore-ice-bound-ship-was-global-warming-missi




Ermagawsh. Ders ice in antarticter!




Not according to the Global warming researchers that were going down there. Until they got stuck in it.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: koods] * 1
    #19381851 - 01/07/14 11:02 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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But unfortunately there aren't all that many groups or governments funding research against global warming or climate change



BWAHHAHAHA

nobody except the entire oil and gas industry and their political allies.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: koods]
    #19381913 - 01/07/14 11:17 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

Show me some.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: morrowasted]
    #19381959 - 01/07/14 11:29 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

marine plants produce 70% of the worlds oxygen
the ocean is acidifying more each day. you do the math
the future probably aint gonna be pretty:foreveralone:
http://www.ecology.com/2011/09/12/important-organism/


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    #19381978 - 01/07/14 11:33 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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Show me some.





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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: JonnyBtreed]
    #19381992 - 01/07/14 11:37 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

I just read something extremely interest about how to reverse global warming (if it's indeed warming up)

The idea is extremely simple and very cheap. All we would need to do is mimic a volcano. Volcano shoot up million of tons of sulfur dioxide in the troposphere, wich in turn ascts as sunscreen. But if the eruption is strong enough, a couple thousand tons of reach the stratosphere. Once its in the stratosphere, the winds pick up the small amount and quickly spread it all around the world. The fact that it's in the stratosphere instead of the troposphere multiplies the sulfur's dioxide's effect by a lot.

So what a top scientist offered as a solution is to shoot some sulfur dioxide directly in the stratosphere. How? Using helium baloons tied to a long and light fire hose equipped with pumps every 100 to 300 metres. The earth would need 2 of these hoses, one in the northern himsphere one in the southern. Now where to get all the sulfur dioxide needed (which would be around 100000 tons annually, which represents less that a percent of our current emmission rate. Take in consideration the multipling effect of having it in the stratosphere, which is why we need such a low amount of it). The answer is, anywhere that has oil sands. Luckily Alberta has a shit ton of it that they simply stockpile become its too cheap to sell (by product of oilsand extraction).

The cost of such a project would only cost around 10 million per hose with an annual cost of 50 million. So why waste billions of clean energy. What's even better is that you can control exactly how much is needed and the process is easily reversable. It gets too cold? Remove some; too hot, shoot some more. We could easily control the global temparature using this simple solution. Seems farfetched as fuck, but its been proposed by top scientist and nobel prize winners.

Anyway, food for thought. I'm no expert, I practically copy pasted this from a book.

Discuss.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Patlal]
    #19382020 - 01/07/14 11:44 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

im suprised i havent heard of that before.  there would be massive side effects im sure. but perhaps better than nothing:shrug:
also it only works in theory for now


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Patlal]
    #19382461 - 01/07/14 01:29 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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I just read something extremely interest about how to reverse global warming (if it's indeed warming up)

The idea is extremely simple and very cheap. All we would need to do is mimic a volcano. Volcano shoot up million of tons of sulfur dioxide in the troposphere, wich in turn ascts as sunscreen. But if the eruption is strong enough, a couple thousand tons of reach the stratosphere. Once its in the stratosphere, the winds pick up the small amount and quickly spread it all around the world. The fact that it's in the stratosphere instead of the troposphere multiplies the sulfur's dioxide's effect by a lot.

So what a top scientist offered as a solution is to shoot some sulfur dioxide directly in the stratosphere. How? Using helium baloons tied to a long and light fire hose equipped with pumps every 100 to 300 metres. The earth would need 2 of these hoses, one in the northern himsphere one in the southern. Now where to get all the sulfur dioxide needed (which would be around 100000 tons annually, which represents less that a percent of our current emmission rate. Take in consideration the multipling effect of having it in the stratosphere, which is why we need such a low amount of it). The answer is, anywhere that has oil sands. Luckily Alberta has a shit ton of it that they simply stockpile become its too cheap to sell (by product of oilsand extraction).

The cost of such a project would only cost around 10 million per hose with an annual cost of 50 million. So why waste billions of clean energy. What's even better is that you can control exactly how much is needed and the process is easily reversable. It gets too cold? Remove some; too hot, shoot some more. We could easily control the global temparature using this simple solution. Seems farfetched as fuck, but its been proposed by top scientist and nobel prize winners.

Anyway, food for thought. I'm no expert, I practically copy pasted this from a book.

Discuss.




This could be the most ridiculous idea ever. Not sure if you're trolling.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Patlal]
    #19382477 - 01/07/14 01:32 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Patlal said:
I just read something extremely interest about how to reverse global warming (if it's indeed warming up)

The idea is extremely simple and very cheap. All we would need to do is mimic a volcano. Volcano shoot up million of tons of sulfur dioxide in the troposphere, wich in turn ascts as sunscreen. But if the eruption is strong enough, a couple thousand tons of reach the stratosphere. Once its in the stratosphere, the winds pick up the small amount and quickly spread it all around the world. The fact that it's in the stratosphere instead of the troposphere multiplies the sulfur's dioxide's effect by a lot.

So what a top scientist offered as a solution is to shoot some sulfur dioxide directly in the stratosphere. How? Using helium baloons tied to a long and light fire hose equipped with pumps every 100 to 300 metres. The earth would need 2 of these hoses, one in the northern himsphere one in the southern. Now where to get all the sulfur dioxide needed (which would be around 100000 tons annually, which represents less that a percent of our current emmission rate. Take in consideration the multipling effect of having it in the stratosphere, which is why we need such a low amount of it). The answer is, anywhere that has oil sands. Luckily Alberta has a shit ton of it that they simply stockpile become its too cheap to sell (by product of oilsand extraction).

The cost of such a project would only cost around 10 million per hose with an annual cost of 50 million. So why waste billions of clean energy. What's even better is that you can control exactly how much is needed and the process is easily reversable. It gets too cold? Remove some; too hot, shoot some more. We could easily control the global temparature using this simple solution. Seems farfetched as fuck, but its been proposed by top scientist and nobel prize winners.

Anyway, food for thought. I'm no expert, I practically copy pasted this from a book.

Discuss.



So you're blocking sunlight? how much? seems like a crazy idea. Could plants still grow normally?


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: morrowasted]
    #19382510 - 01/07/14 01:38 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

I've read some of this guys stuff. When he starts to worry, I'll start to worry.

The entire article is pretty interesting, but on a website where TLDR seems to be the mantra... I just posted a few bits.

MIT’s Richard Lindzen, the unalarmed climate scientist


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When you first meet Richard Lindzen, the Alfred P. Sloan professor of meteorology at MIT, senior fellow at the Cato Institute, leading climate “skeptic,” and all-around scourge of James Hansen, Bill McKibben, Al Gore, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), and sundry other climate “alarmists,” as Lindzen calls them, you may find yourself a bit surprised.





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Where Lindzen hasn’t remained is in the mainstream of his discipline. By the 1980s, global warming was becoming a major political issue. Already, Lindzen was having doubts about the more catastrophic predictions being made. The public rollout of the “alarmist” case, he notes, “was immediately accompanied by an issue of Newsweek declaring all scientists agreed. And that was the beginning of a ‘consensus’ argument. Already by ’88 the New York Times had literally a global warming beat.” Lindzen wasn’t buying it. Nonetheless, he remained in the good graces of mainstream climate science, and in the early 1990s, he was invited to join the IPCC, a U.N.-backed multinational consortium of scientists charged with synthesizing and analyzing the current state of the world’s climate science. Lindzen accepted, and he ended up as a contributor to the 1995 report and the lead author of Chapter 7 (“Physical Climate Processes and Feedbacks”) of the 2001 report. Since then, however, he’s grown increasingly distant from prevalent (he would say “hysterical”) climate science, and he is voluminously on record disputing the predictions of catastrophe.





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But Lindzen rejects the dire projections. For one thing, he says that the Summary for Policymakers is an inherently problematic document. The IPCC report itself, weighing in at thousands of pages, is “not terrible. It’s not unbiased, but the bias [is] more or less to limit your criticism of models,” he says. The Summary for Policymakers, on the other hand—the only part of the report that the media and the politicians pay any attention to—“rips out doubts to a large extent. .  .  . [Furthermore], government representatives have the final say on the summary.” Thus, while the full IPPC report demonstrates a significant amount of doubt among scientists, the essentially political Summary for Policymakers filters it out.




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