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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Patlal]
    #19363302 - 01/03/14 12:55 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

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I have no idea where the temperature are going up, but it's clearly not here. I read today that Mars was warmer than my city yesterday :frown:

Ships stuck in ice. Toronto is a frozen wasteland, canada in general is paralyzed with cold. I'm sure the Americans are feeling it too.

WTF global warming, where you at?





Straya bro, we had our hottest week, month and year records smashed in 2013.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19376520 - 01/06/14 09:36 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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WTF global warming, where you at?




Well around here it's back with a vengeance! Three days ago it was freezing and now it's raining. The roof is leaking and I didn't sleep much.

WTF weather? :wtfsonic:


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: solstice]
    #19376526 - 01/06/14 09:40 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

As the ice melts on the north pole, the gulf stream brings cold water to the united states, which brings cold weather to the united states.

the cold weather the USA only further substantiates that global warming is happening

people forget that land is only 1/3 of the planet. global warming is about the net temperature of the planet. ice reflects most sunlight, but water absorbs most of it. the net temperature of the water is increasing, which means the net temperature of the planet is increasing.

you will notice it's mostly only old people who are about to die anyway that are railing against climate change. fuck 'em, who cares what they think? it's our generation that is going to experience the consequences. and no, it isn't their fault, either. most of the damage was done during the stone and iron ages when everyone was subsistence farming.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: morrowasted] * 4
    #19376560 - 01/06/14 09:51 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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and no, it isn't their fault, either. most of the damage was done during the stone and iron ages when everyone was subsistence farming.





Are you saying that subsistance farming is responsible for global warming? Because everything you were saying was making sense until that point.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: solstice]
    #19376572 - 01/06/14 09:55 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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and no, it isn't their fault, either. most of the damage was done during the stone and iron ages when everyone was subsistence farming.





Are you saying that subsistance farming is responsible for global warming? Because everything you were saying was making sense until that point.



Yes, there is actually a net carbon dioxide sink on land now, but there wasn't at that time, because individuals would carelessly slash and burn megaflora in order to make room for their farms. Now that agriculture has been largely corporatized, it is much more concentrated in specific areas, and those megaflora (and their related fauna) have returned. There are more trees in the USA than there were the pilgrims arrived, for example. If we continue to concentrate agriculture and increase yield-per-acre with things like transgenic crops, we can further improve the situation.

Carbon emissions certainly don't help but the problem is much more complex than that.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: morrowasted]
    #19376617 - 01/06/14 10:09 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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There are more trees in the USA than there were the pilgrims arrived, for example.




:curbyourenthusiasm:

you're going to have to start providing sources for claims like these


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19376633 - 01/06/14 10:14 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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There are more trees in the USA than there were the pilgrims arrived, for example.




:curbyourenthusiasm:

you're going to have to start providing sources for claims like these



Well, it is what I learned in US History.

This is all I can find:
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/bot00/bot00090.htm


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: morrowasted]
    #19376638 - 01/06/14 10:16 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

check out this book for education on the complexities of climate change and what we can and can't do about it



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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19376647 - 01/06/14 10:18 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

The weather has just gotten more extreme where i live. The summers are much hotter and the winters are much colder.

Last year it snowed where i live. I live in the middle of the desert


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: morrowasted]
    #19376652 - 01/06/14 10:19 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Prevailing Myths About Agricultural Abandonment and Forest Regrowth in the United States:
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00045601003788876#.UsrlMd9jEUQ


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: morrowasted]
    #19376665 - 01/06/14 10:24 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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check out this book for education on the complexities of climate change and what we can and can't do about it






Well, you've got this, let me propose that:



Basically, anybody can find sources to support their viewpoint. One way or another. Fukuoka said the exact opposite thing that you brought up and he proved it was possible to get yields as good or even better with natural culture ( permaculture ) than with corporate agriculture.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: morrowasted] * 4
    #19376808 - 01/06/14 11:06 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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morrowasted said:and no, it isn't their fault, either. most of the damage was done during the stone and iron ages when everyone was subsistence farming.




I'm quite confident that billions of people burning huge amounts of coal and gas would have made a bigger footprint than a couple of million people burning forests.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: rockylampoon]
    #19376816 - 01/06/14 11:09 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

It really doesnt matter what you say to people.. say it enough and they will believe it.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Icyus]
    #19376938 - 01/06/14 11:34 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

If you think about it from the the perspective of the carbon cycle, during the farming years prior to industrialization, by burning megaflora to create room for farming you are merely messing with the surface carbon that readily cycles anyways, due to that megaflora respiring/dying each year. During industrialization humanity took from the deep pools of carbon and put them into the mix of pools of carbon that will readily cycle and contributes to global warming


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Tycoda]
    #19377248 - 01/06/14 01:29 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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ok, i concede to you guys. whether or not it is true that global warming is a myth, as i sit here pulling up suitable articles to validate my point, i realize sheepishly that i am crusading for something that, really, is not my place or desire to crusade about. and that in itself is a form of taking life too seriously, so i apologize for that. there is a point where crusading becomes way more harmful than good, and i crossed that line. but i will endeavor not to do it again.



Dude what the fuck are you talking about?
You were just telling the truth. 95% scientific consensus amirite?:nicesmile:
People need to be aware the environment is being fucked up badly by our species.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: i like cow poo]
    #19377629 - 01/06/14 03:04 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

i don't know honestly. i know that it is true, and you know that it is true, but we will never convince somebody who does not want to see the truth. yet i do not have the resources to back up my claims 100% like people insist when they actually just don't want to bother giving the matter any thought. but it's weak on me to care, hah, so fuck it i don't and won't. but don't say that i ever claimed to be perfect.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Tycoda]
    #19377689 - 01/06/14 03:14 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

i dont research global warming all that much.. It has something to do with random weather I believe. :shrug: probably a myth tho for all I know. i dont really care.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: tripp23]
    #19377704 - 01/06/14 03:17 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

all of the measures that we implement will not make a difference, anyway. recycling, reduced waste, hybrid cars, electric cars, solar energy, etc... doesn't make a lick of difference, partly because only in the wealthy nations like the Americas, and some European countries, can implement those things so that huge sections of the globe still produce insane amounts of greenhouse gases... but primarily because there are always more and more human beings who constantly require more vehicles, more plastic goods, more factories, etc. etc. to produce all of the conveniences that are part of our technological evolution.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Tycoda]
    #19377714 - 01/06/14 03:19 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

Only thing that will help is to make a virus that kills all the humans!


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Icyus] * 1
    #19377732 - 01/06/14 03:23 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

the humane method is to sign a birthstop petition, so that the world leaders will be persuaded to put the rampant, out of control births of their respective nations under control, and so the number of humans will humanely decline without violence or outbreaks of even more violence.


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