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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19359602 - 01/02/14 04:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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cool.  good news about being able to fit 3 in with 1/2" space btw!
how did u do the one outside the FC that was not cased same as the cased one...just more misting? ill take some pics after i walk my dog to show u what I'm working with and see what ur suggestions r because mine r more circular/cylindrical because of the container i spawn in.




Yea the same for both of them. I put the lid on ajar until I got some pins then took the lid completely off and just misted it like every single hour or so.


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19359870 - 01/02/14 05:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

do u work from home to be able to mist that much?

anyways...heres what i got going on and wanted ur input...
so i work overnight at a convienant store mainly in the deli.  we get is pre made tuna and chicken salad in 5 lbs containers (they are PP5 too!)  they have air tight lids, and they are free, so i take them home a lot.  i keep dried grains in them, moist coir, lids rings, etc, and i spawn in them and use them to pasteurize.  up to now, they have been used as a FC too with limited luck (still trying to get hole configuration down for optimal RH and FAE, i always get fruits, but not best pin set)  here is one fruiting now, it was cased:



this is from the side, on the top is a larger tupperware with holes to keep in humidity and let the shrooms grow beyond the lid of the initial container:



after the first flush, there are a lot of side pins, so i just recently started treating them as cakes from ur idea, but instead of an SGFC, i just used an unmodified 5 gallon bucket (also free, the chinese food place i live above put them out on trash night, they are used for soy sauce and tofu, u guys should try to score some from ur local chinese food store, they are free!!)  there is no lid, so i put an oven bag on top and just clothe pinned them on to allow for a bit of FAE, there is a cool mist sitting below them, blowing in some air.  i still fan and mist several times a day, and there is 3 inches of perlite at bottom:





so, like i said, those 5 gal buckets are used as my second flush FC because side pins (i now use a liner, so hopefully it will not be needed)

now what i have are these, and i wanted to fruit them like u do bodhi, meaning after 100% treat them as cakes, and put them in a regular SGFC.  they are about 2.5" tall and 6" wide



all of them 1 qt spawn to 1 qt coir/verm  with 2 containing 1 tablespoon leeched, dried chicken poo as an experiment.

i like doing full monos (56 qt-66qt containers) but i only have 2 of them, plus these buckets are free and PP5 and useful for testing cultures and substrate on a bulk scale.

anyways, just wanted to get ur input bodhi on these coir cakes.  the unmodified bucket was a last minute thing, its not getting nearly enough FAE, and humidity mainly stays at 80% because there are no holes below the perlite, but again, they were free so i wanted to use them somehow.  I'm leaning towards ur SGFC for coir subs.


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19359926 - 01/02/14 05:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

do u work from home to be able to mist that much?

-sort of, I work with clients, so I'm gone for 2-3 hours at a time a few times a day, I do some other work too on weekends and my wife can do some misting. For the most part I'm home a lot.

As for the smaller tubs you get for free perhaps you could make them into a mini mono with holes at the substrate level and then holes in the top(or the lid) and stuff with polyfil until you get it right. You'll probably want a liner and then try to do some agar work to get some genetics that are less likely to make side pins too.

Also for the big 5 gal buckets from the china store. You could probably make those into a SGFC put holes in the bottom and top and then the side too. The reason being the perlite just sitting in the bottom doesn't do much.
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(Fresh air exchange) in a properly built SGFC this is constantly happening. The perlite is naturally cooler than the surrounding air this moves molecules closer to eachother as the lose kinetic energy. This creates low pressure which pulls air up through the bottom holes. As the air moves through the perlite it picks up humidity and keeps the chamber at or above 90%RH. This occurs naturally without the fanning and is why we like to have no fans in the room and is also why fanning after misting is not a replacement for FAE.




I suppose the smaller substrate from the smaller containers would fit in the 5 gal bucket if you made it into a SGFC(sort of). You might even be able to make the 5 gal bucket into a mini mono with tightly stuffed holes at the bottom and maybe some small 2 inch holes at the top lightly stuffed or not stuffed at all(experimentation needed) These coir bricks are big enough they can make some of their own humidity so the SGFC 5 gal bucket might be a hair less effective than turning it into a mono bucket.

Hopefully that made sense.


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19359961 - 01/02/14 06:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yea it made sense!

i tried with 2 holes at sub level (tight poly) and two holes at top (loose poly) a bunch, still not great pin set, but could have been genetic (from ms agar, 3 transfers, not an iso).  u r right that i have to still experiment with hole size.  i have done the hybrid mono hole set up but it was way too much fae, dried out the sub quickly because its not that deep.

i def wanna put holes in those buckets, but it was a spur of the moment thing, and i have no power drill.  i usually flame some wood carving tools till they red hot to make holes in any plastic container, but these are thick so i may try to borrow my dads drill or get one at thrift store.

i really wanna try grains in them because they are pp5 but they r not clear so any contam will not been seen easily.  but 5 lbs of grain in one go would b awesome!


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19359971 - 01/02/14 06:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

remember putting the holes in is one thing but you gotta get the air flow through it...need a fan:wink:


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: cronicr]
    #19360385 - 01/02/14 07:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

for sure!
the one i did that was a hybrid mono type bucket had too much fae even without a fan, but i really think that was because the sub is not deep enough to hold the rh (only 2.5" at time of spawning, going down to 2"-2.25" as it shrinks)
the one i did with poly seemed ok in term of environment (evap around holes not too much not too little for size of container), just not the best pin set.
def just gotta keep trying cause i like the idea of using available materials and not spending too much money, so i wanna make these buckets pump out the fruits.


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19360406 - 01/02/14 07:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18277258
therea all my novelty grows from last year:thumbup:


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: cronicr]
    #19362746 - 01/03/14 10:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

855 wet ended up being 2.75oz dry or 77g dry. I also brushed off some of the ones with substrate stuck to them


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Re: Mini monotub/ Shoebox bulk bricks in SGFC [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19395463 - 01/09/14 07:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

In my terrarium I have bubble wands n two heaters in lava rocks and I took my sgfc and flipped it upside down over my cakes with a light sitting on top... What used to be the bottom of sgfc.


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19395495 - 01/09/14 07:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Have you tried taking a regular size 5 gallon bucket filling it with rocks and water with bubbler and punch holes in the bottom of ur smaller bucket n set it on top of the rocks. U eliminate perlite it messy anyway n the water/ rocks provide great rh


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: tbagtag]
    #19395505 - 01/09/14 07:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Could I make a brf brick


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: Tooktoomuch]
    #19395548 - 01/09/14 07:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Could I make a brf brick




i tried a qt jar of brf once, it stalled, i think its too nutritious or maybe too compact in a qt jar, but u can take one or 2 brf 1/2 pints and spawn them to coir (sry if that is what u meant initially)



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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: Tooktoomuch]
    #19395577 - 01/09/14 07:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How just birth cake and cover it with coco coir alone or what. Do u break it up I roll my cakes in dry verm do you case cakes in dry coir or dry verm or do u wet


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: Tooktoomuch]
    #19395583 - 01/09/14 07:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

my brick is on an elevated rack on a SGFC



when it was inside the 27 qt tub it looked smallish but when I transferred it to my shotgun it looks like giant ziggurat haha


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: Tooktoomuch]
    #19395619 - 01/09/14 07:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What's to pic of? Check out my post .auto mono/sgfc hybrid " it's alive... Uh..uh


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: Tooktoomuch]
    #19395701 - 01/09/14 08:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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How just birth cake and cover it with coco coir alone or what. Do u break it up I roll my cakes in dry verm do you case cakes in dry coir or dry verm or do u wet




u can dunk for 24 hours like a cake, but after that u spawn it to pasteurized coir/verm about 70%coir/30% verm, or 80/20.  u break it up (i use ziplock bag) into pieces then mix evenly with coir/verm in a plastic/foil tray.  when 100% colonized, take it out of tray and treat it as a cake in ur SGFC.  u can also sterilize the coir/verm  search for pastywhite's thread for more info on this


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    #19396237 - 01/09/14 10:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

http://[url=http://files.shroomery.org/files/14-002/926587256-image.jpg][/urlCheck out my post .auto mono/sgfc hybrid " it's alive... Uh..uh


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Re: Mini monotub/ Shoebox bulk bricks in SGFC [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19411192 - 01/13/14 04:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Very Nice!!!


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #19686263 - 03/12/14 03:15 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Those are 16qt  miniature monotubs




Is the your SAB below?


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: Edmunter]
    #19686447 - 03/12/14 04:02 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

sure does look like it, looks like michael J fox made it :shrug:


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