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zdollaz
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First Grow With Pics
#19351048 - 12/31/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well as the title suggests, this is swims first attempt at growing mushies. Tasmanian and Golden Teachers to be exact. The set-up is (5) 1 pint jars made up with rye flour and verm using the pf tek ratio of each strain for a total of 10 jars. Here is how it went down. First swim got all the supplies, but had trouble finding BRF so just settled with rye flour, he read that it worked all the same and is hoping that's true :P Then swim made up his jars and steam sterilized for about an hour or so and let the jars cool. Once morning came, swim inoculated the jars and all was well. They were inoculated Christmas of 2013, a holy day for the fruits of God Anyway, It's been awfully cold up here in PA, and since this is more of a low-key operation I've been keeping my jars in dresser drawers. Well after a few days went by with no signs of mycelium (I understand this is totally normal, the jars are big and it's only been a week) I decided hey, maybe if it were warmer in those dresser drawers, they'd colonize faster. Since the whole TiT method wasn't the most accessible to me, due to stealth concerns, I decided to just make due. What I did was make little heating pad type things out of old socks and uncooked rice, and microwaved them for about 2 minutes. They hold their heat pretty well for about 2 hours until they start cooling off, so what I do is make a little heat mat out of these to lay my jars on top of, then cover the whole deal with a small towel to insulate. It's actually keeping the drawers pretty toasty for the little fellas, so I'm hoping to see improvements I'd appreciate any comments/questions, and I'll be updating this pretty regularly
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19351066 - 12/31/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Take foil off for he and there's no need for heat if room temp is around 70 that's fine. You maybe keeping them to hot in there.
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: NOTFALL3N]
#19351070 - 12/31/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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GE sorry gas exchange take the foil off!
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: NOTFALL3N]
#19351106 - 12/31/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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good luck there. looks like the sub is really tightly packed to me. and as mentioned by notfallen, take the foil off. just an invite to bacteria. I always did my jars for pf loose and airy. and you have the tall jars with a neck? but where theres a will, theres a way.
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: bluecap]
#19351109 - 12/31/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Those will work just gonna take a life time to colonize since u said they were pints
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19351125 - 12/31/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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zdollaz said: Well as the title suggests, this is swims first attempt at growing mushies. Tasmanian and Golden Teachers to be exact. The set-up is (5) 1 pint jars made up with rye flour and verm using the pf tek ratio of each strain for a total of 10 jars. Here is how it went down. First swim got all the supplies, but had trouble finding BRF so just settled with rye flour, he read that it worked all the same and is hoping that's true :P Then swim made up his jars and steam sterilized for about an hour or so and let the jars cool.
should have went longer then that if your using pints
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zdollaz said: so what I do is make a little heat mat out of these to lay my jars on top of, then cover the whole deal with a small towel to insulate. It's actually keeping the drawers pretty toasty for the little fellas, so I'm hoping to see improvements I'd appreciate any comments/questions, and I'll be updating this pretty regularly
thats a scary way to go about it you risk drying your jars out and as stated above take the foil off and try wide mouth half pints next time or use less water in the mix to avoid the issues pints have
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: cronicr]
#19351146 - 12/31/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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pint jars are to big for the BRF method. an hour of steam wouldn't sterilize them either. I would be shocked if this works out, but good luck anyways. if it doesn't work follow the methods described in RR's BRF cake video to a T.
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zdollaz
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: God Stamet]
#19356412 - 01/01/14 10:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for all the replies you guys, I'm taking the foil off right now! I've been taking it off every few hours for GE but was unaware that I could just keep it off, I guess that's what the extra layer of verm at the top of the jar is for :P Any way, The little sock heaters are not as hot as I thought myself, They stay warm for just a little more than a half hour lol and they aren't very hot to begin with, they just keep the jars warm at bedtime :P I've finally gotten some signs of mycelium, Pics will be below. And the jars aren't tightly packed, I think the rye flour gave me a weird consistency. It might also have been my verm, I think it was very fine, however it was labeled horticultural grade. Regardless, i didn't pack any of the substrate down, just scooped it in and topped off with dry verm for the very top.
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19356419 - 01/01/14 10:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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fine verm is perfect and the foil comes off so your verm barrier stays dry
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: cronicr]
#19357498 - 01/02/14 07:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looks good just watch the heat it's gonna be a lil hotter in the jars anyway!
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: NOTFALL3N]
#19357701 - 01/02/14 09:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd stop heating them up the way your doing it.
It will be more beneficial for them to stay at a constant temperature than to have that little extra heat.
You can also keep them in a tub wrapped in a sleeping bag or something like that if you're worried about the temps swinging too much
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zdollaz
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Alright you guys, again, thanks for all the helpful tips, I'm moving the jars out of my dresser into a cardboard box lined with a sleeping bad (I can't for the life of me find a plastic tub, but will soon buy one because I'm going to need it for fruiting anyway) All my foil is off and I won't use my sock heaters any more. The pictures here are of my best jar at 3/4 of the inoculation points, this is of the tasmanian strain btw...
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19357855 - 01/02/14 10:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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looks like there is mycelium in the bottom. might work out after all. good luck
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zdollaz
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: God Stamet]
#19361465 - 01/03/14 12:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay everyone, before I go to bed, here are some more pictures of the little guys. I've counted 4/5 tasmanian jars to have small spots of mycelium (These pictures are all of tas jars) and only 2/5 to show signs from my GT collection. It's interesting to see side by side in the same conditions and environment which colonized faster After these puppies are all harvested and such, I want to make a spore print and re-do the whole process, any tips? Can I use the same syringes I initially bought for that? There's so much to learn :P
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19362246 - 01/03/14 07:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sure you can use the same syringes
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: God Stamet]
#19362664 - 01/03/14 10:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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God Stamet said: pint jars are to big for the BRF method. an hour of steam wouldn't sterilize them either. I would be shocked if this works out, but good luck anyways. if it doesn't work follow the methods described in RR's BRF cake video to a T.
You sound unsure of yourself..

Full pints work just fine for the PF tek,their just not recommended by  Stop the misinformation people! just use moar CC's per hole!
 
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: Josh.0]
#19362780 - 01/03/14 10:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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God Stamet
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it's not mis info bubba calm down. they don't work more than they do, now that you're in this thread we'll see the end result. all my info comes from personal experience, and I've tried this in my early days with mild success. yes it takes more cc's to reach the bottom but to start from spores with that amount of sub steam treated is asking for it.
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: God Stamet]
#19366397 - 01/03/14 11:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I guess I did forget to mention, I used .5 cc per hole totaling 2cc's per jar which is double what is recommended for a 1/2 pint. They seem so far to be doing well I'd say, with 4 of my GT jars showing spots and 2 of my Tasmanian (I mixed the strains up last post) My star jar is the Tasmanian one that I've been putting pictures up of, I'll include some more of it as it is now in this post. Also, last night on an impulse, I bought rye berry spawn bags pre-sterilized from a link from ralphsters. Idk if they're sponsored here, so I won't name them. (MWGK if you really wanna know do your research lol) Anyway, they say it's possible to inoculate these bags directly from spores (3-5cc's for the whole 3 pound bag) And then I can either case the whole mess or fruit invitro I'm assuming. I also bought new spore syringes, Cambodian and ralphs SOTM which is currently Dancing Tigers. I guess the plan is to inject 5cc's of each strain into a bag (I bought 4 of these bags so I'll have 2 bags of each strain) My question is, should I do LC? or would injecting spores directly work well enough? These bags don't seem very hard to mess up considering they have a filter patch and self healing injectors. Not much room for error really. And if LC is preferred, how long does that take?? Assuming all goes well using the Karo tek. And lastly, once the whole bag is colonized, what's the best way of fruiting? breaking it up and casing it in a laundry bin kinda thing? or like those foil tubs I've seen people use? Or is fruiting in the bag a better idea?
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zdollaz
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19366455 - 01/04/14 12:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alright you guys, when I say only spots of mycelium in the jars, I mean like this much, these are all GT jars btw
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