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Clandestine Hero Registered: 04/25/09 Posts: 3,428 Last seen: 1 year, 30 days |
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Quote: There was no beef on another site that Anne didn't create with her own bad attitude and ego. As well as refusing to answer perfectly valid questions. Instead she just keeps saying that she doesn't need soil, this and that, because she has so much "experience". Anyone who wishes for perfectly reasonable answers to perfectly reasonable questions is just a "mailorder cacti grower" to Anne, a noob, and is just dismissed like they didn't say anything. Quote: Case and point.
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Planeteer Registered: 01/10/11 Posts: 638 Loc: The Middle of Pe Last seen: 10 years, 18 days |
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Success! Anne, I feel like that is the first real form of communication/progression we have made. I am sorry, and apologize for perhaps jumping the gun on your tek. Admittedly, I did not realize that this was intended as a place marker. The trouble with comparing our gardens, is mine was/is not intentionally geared towards optimal production. The only expense of this hobby so far has been my lighting, and some of my containers. If I had to guess, 200-300$ total. I had never actually intended to let my addiction get this bad, and would love to have at least a little bit of room for other plants, but I keep squeezing in cacti instead. My collection has been acquired from seed/trade/gift with little bias. I am forced indoors from october-march/april, the rest of the time I use high powered sun. My only objective is to grow cacti that attract my interest. I lucked into a seed gift of several mutated tricho crosses, which have produced a large number of freaks. This is my current obsession. I have also readopted some plants I had originally spread to friends. I also confess that I have little experience with mexican globulars, due to the stigma. I have raised/lost seedlings twice, and these are actually my first grafts. After loosing tiny year old babies, I could no longer not stick a few, and believe anyone who thinks all finicky cacti should be hard grown is a fool. The accelerated growth rate/propagation is amazing.
The 8 tube T5 was a recent treat to myself, and seemed the best option for my grow space. I would like to know what kind of efficiency your setup is? I believe you said 150w LED + supplemental, but never mention your footprint? This is a serious question, because it is an option to consider. I've stated several times that I am not trying to attack you, and am sorry if I have made you feel that way. I would love to support your theory instead of criticize it, but need some of the information we have been asking for. My garden does not get optimal treatment by any means. I neglect them more than I'd like to, but my life gets busy when school is in session. They get jostled and bumped when I clumsily water or fondle them. I admit to knocking a graft or 5 off, but luckily that hasn't happened in a while. My watering methods definitely need improvement. Space wash't originally an issue, but quickly outgrew myself. I am already planning for next winter. Indoor lighting of any kind doesn't seem to be optimal for Tricho's, but is sufficient enough to carry me through the winter. The psycho0 x TPM I recently chopped was noticeably elongating and is part of the reason it got the chop. It is currently callousing, and will be rooted when spring finally gets here. I had originally planning on the plant pupping, and ready for the sun... The stump was just to tempting though, and I wanted to see if my theory on the pith was valid, but lacked a suitable stock for the pup. So plans changed, and I now have a Peretricholoph. I am not sure how it will go, and know that others have done similar things that I'd like to check out more of. I'll post in EG occasionally so that it benefits other interested parties. -------------------- "My worm farm" "96 Gallon Worm Tote" "Let Your Freak Flag Fly" "Respect Your Roots" "A KNEW IDEA" "Nothing New" "Willkommen im EthnoGarten" "Don't Be a Backeberg" "Mites and Mealy Bugs" "The Heart and the Sun" If someone doesn't want your LIGHT, shine it some where else. Everyday there are people who LOVE, ACCEPT, and LOOK FORWARD to making CONTACT with you. YOU are capable of GREAT THINGS even if you feel neglected or mistreated in OUR current SPACE. Change your ways, change our WORLD, there is SAFTEY in NUMBERS. Welcome to the PRESENT. ~ 144,000 Anonymous Voices “Call it a clan, call it a network, call it a tribe, call it a family: Whatever you call it, whoever you are, you need one. [NOW]” - Jane Howard Edited by hookahhead (01/05/14 07:16 PM)
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jaguarette Registered: 05/07/13 Posts: 1,908 |
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that site died for its own reasons mallacht.
one of wich was grow troll posers gaining the upper hand, and driving off the serious growers. that place is no longer relevant to the modern grow. novel teks, stoke drama everywhere. it would be a bo-ring tek, if it didnt. pic is strain variation, size, and cross sections XHTTL. i wanna record the sound of cutting one with a big razor. they sound like cutting apples. --------------------
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Planeteer Registered: 01/10/11 Posts: 638 Loc: The Middle of Pe Last seen: 10 years, 18 days |
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They seem to be looking better Anne
Still rocking leaves after a year. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ Photo uploaded 1-24-13 Photos taken on 12-21-13 -------------------- "My worm farm" "96 Gallon Worm Tote" "Let Your Freak Flag Fly" "Respect Your Roots" "A KNEW IDEA" "Nothing New" "Willkommen im EthnoGarten" "Don't Be a Backeberg" "Mites and Mealy Bugs" "The Heart and the Sun" If someone doesn't want your LIGHT, shine it some where else. Everyday there are people who LOVE, ACCEPT, and LOOK FORWARD to making CONTACT with you. YOU are capable of GREAT THINGS even if you feel neglected or mistreated in OUR current SPACE. Change your ways, change our WORLD, there is SAFTEY in NUMBERS. Welcome to the PRESENT. ~ 144,000 Anonymous Voices “Call it a clan, call it a network, call it a tribe, call it a family: Whatever you call it, whoever you are, you need one. [NOW]” - Jane Howard Edited by hookahhead (01/05/14 07:17 PM)
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Noaidi Registered: 10/18/10 Posts: 2,627 Loc: EU Last seen: 7 years, 4 months |
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How you can declare a specimen of lophophora to your own or how long you have propagate your own lophophora.. As far as I understand seems you have your own subspecies of lophophora anyone else doesn't have..?
However, seems the point of growing plants like that, purpose is purely different than hard grown "myth" you claim to be bullshit. Do not mix hard grown peyote ornaments to these you have if you don't know the reason why someone are very enthusiastic against hard grown ones.. But mixing mass production and ornamental cultivation are in fact IMO spreading the wrong information. If you rule out ornamental growers, the you can call hard grown peyote is myth. There is no really reason to keep own root peyote garden in purpose of production the mass of plants. This tek seems to have only one reason why to do so, I don't see this tek have even chances to challenge hard grown ornaments.. No way. You can't mix two different cultivation purposes to proof you have best tek. Well even some nurseries sell as well as grafted peyote, and only nurseries what sell grafted ones are selling their plants for ingestion or sell lots of psychoactive plant and herbal products. If purpose is purely mass production of peyote tissue, you can't put it against to hard grown ornamental cultivation.. You should know, some people grow lophophora only just for appearance and respect small but old plants. These growers who grow ornamental lophs... peyote is just small fragment of whole scale of cacti and succulents someone have their garden, they know what for peyote can be used but never probably consume peyote or trying to even achieve big plants fast. Peyote and other lophophora are in fact compact plants and most want to grow their plant for ornament. In my country peyote are seen as ornament, back in the 80's they was available to buy from nurseries easily, today there is few households and plant enthusiast who have very old own root peyote, only one peyote, rest of their cacti are totally different species. Most popular are compact plants in my country along cacti enthusiasm, I don't see any wrong they have one or two peyote plants along all cacti. They're hard grown, but what is the myth? Everyone know one peyote in clay pot, even it's 30-40years old, is not enough for experience and these collectors doesn't even want to think to use knife for their old plants and cut buttons. However, your tek, fast production of mass with different roots stock, it's not even reasonable to claim it's best.. It's not best if someone want hard grown peyote as ornament, it's very low maintenance plant and freely flowering and rare. My point is your topic tittle, seem you challenge ornamental growers with your tek. You should challenge those who you know to produce peyote for consumption on their own roots, enlighten these people who grow ton of peyote buttons on their own roots. This is still more in the culture, if you want to change thousands of years old culture of native americans, go for it.. I hope these who consume peyote think about your tek when they produce peyote, but it may not be so simple.. Peyote is plant with long history for some people, also I know there are people who grow peyote in their own roots and consume them. In large scale. Some people eat peyote harvested from their habitat. Only who you can challenge with mass production of peyote buttons are those who grow peyote in order to ingest the buttons of them, you can't even claim your tek is best if you don't rule out ornamental growers. I don't see it that way. I don't see ornamental peyote or any kind of lophophora growers should be judge by their enthusiasm to grow hard grown plants what are almost identical look-a-like plants in habitat. That's what is all about for me, achieving to get lophophora plants similar what they are in habitat. I have actually now soon 2years old peyote, not even 1cm diameter, root are still massive compared to actual button above the soil. I understand annie you want maximum growth of edible tissue of peyote? ...that's fine for me, but who are you to judge people who collect dozens or hundreds of specimens of various cacti and lophophora are just small fraction of their whole collection.. Some may have hundreds of cacti, but only two hard grown lophophora, you probably understand they are not mean't for production of plant mass, ornaments are different.. Also You have not answered my questions yet, I feel you dodge them because you're produce edible buttons, that's why you probably use same clone so you know the potency of all your buttons. Seed grown grafts potency vary from button to button. Some are stronger, some are weak. Yet I have still said many times, your tek would be perfect to propagate lots of edible buttons, but I don't see they have nothing to do hard grown specimens people grow for ornament. IF you want to enlighten the people who buy peyote on their own root and eat them, then go for it but I think there are not much of people who do so.. Also I can tell something about peyote in europe, it's ornamental plant, sold as ornamental.. Only some smartshops will sell peyote "for consumption" but I have yet not heard no one have got their experience, and when they starts to blame smartshops about rip them off, smartshop vendor reply "you should grow your plants many years before you ingest, we just offer you a start" Even they give guidance with plant how to consume peyote but they're really young and weak in potency. You should enlighten the noobs and say directly not to buy and kill hard grown ornamental peyote for consumption. Trichocereus are probably good for that purpose. Maybe the best plant for this if clone is strong. The thing is why I ask about you the potency of your clones grown with perskiopsis are simple: I know san pedro clone, fast growing, pest resistant and it's strong in potency, only 20grams of dried san pedro flesh are enough to give experience of that clone. So I am curious can this amount and as potent cacti be produced with pereskiopsis and lophophora. Can this tek challenge the potency of trichocereus known to be "very active" and basically taking care of the trichocereus are simple, they hardly never have spider mites or if so, only water and moisture can get these bugs in control. There is still one minus with growing the potent trichocerus compared to your compact way to grow peyote buttons, trichocereus really need space and strong light but can your peyote really be stronger than recently studied strongest san pedro? I would want to ask lots of things but you seems to dodge my questions, I don't see your tek have nothing to do with ornamental growing so don't blame everyone who collect hard grown specimens and grow their own from seed as well, without grafting. They're not for consumption, I think most serious peyote collectors and growers there doesn't want to think of harvesting hard grown peyote so add two totally different things against another is basically miss-leading of people. Go on and teach and educate those who want to cultivate consumable peyote without long waiting, educate these who are willing to even mutilate hard grown plants in order to experience mescaline. You should not attack against ornamental lophophora growers and collectors because they are mostly people who collect all kind of cacti.. I know some people like hard grown lophophora but it's not even lophophora williamsii, some people love to grow and collect another lophs, l. fricii, diffusa, koehresii and some hybrids for example l. koehresii x fricii. I see potential in your tek if I want to start produce seeds and cross breed my l. fricii plants with l. koehresii. Or l. koehresii x fricii.. Then seeds from these are good to graft to see do new hybrids have born, and if so, they're good to grow with pereskiopsis in order to have first flowers and start doing stabile F1 strain of this cross breed, maybe later on probably degraft hybrids when grower have achieved to get F2 or F3 strain of cross breed lophophora. But these species have nothing to do with mass production, pereskiopsis helps to faster up the time but later on all of these kind of collectors want hard grown specimen, no matter what. Just breeding is very good way to do with your tek or some another people tek and use the pereskiopsis stock. There is potential with pereskiopsis, no doubt, not only for production tons of same peyote but produce hybrids of cacti, probably trying to achieve to find out really new mutants and so on. Or fasten up the growth and degraft ~4-5cm button back to soil. You probably know, lophophora will react to soil with own roots and therefor soil mix define the appearance of epidermis of plant. Cycle of watering and drought makes the appearance of hard grown peyote, epidermis takes it's coloration of grey by reacting with soil, and I talk about plant growing on it's own root. You probably know cacti roots are seems to attach to rocks in soil, they have enzymes in roots what basically dissolve rocks in order to get minerals with fertilizers.. However, I don't see reason to even explain more why ornamental hard grown lophophora cultivation should not be judge because they don't grow lots of mass over one season. I just don't get why you want to attack bascially against wrong group of peyote growers with your way to grow peyote. Most people like to have peyote in growing in mineral soil for ornament. Without the fact peyote on it's own react soil, and also to light and appearance are purely based on what kind of soil and light conditions peyote have. Also watering cycle define the hard grown lophophora, without the tap root and slow growing, probably nice ornament will not be achieved. One way to achieve nice ornament is simple, your tek can be used few months to have button big enough so it can be cut off, care it like cutting and wait button starts to root and therefor starts to reacting to soil and that' what makes the appearance of hard grown peyote, it's only about apperance, not matter of how fast plant grow.. I don't know why you are not willing to answer few simple questions I have write there. Potency of buttons etc.. Also why I ask how long it takes from seed to flowering button, I am interested of breed lophophora what are not self-fertile... I am interessted of breed my own fricii x koehresii hybrids and then get it forwards with grafting by doing F2 strain, then F3 and later on collect the best looking ones off from pereskiopsis and start to root them as cuttings and years later I should have plant look-a-like to hard grown one. I feel you just drop picture or two and then one hint, after that you start behave like everyone else are douchebag idiots who should not even know how to use or (maybe)improve your tek to for propagation and seed production purposes.. And what comes to loph. williamsii scions on pereskiopsis and under artificial lights, I'm interested to know the possible potency of mescaline in the buttons, possible dosage and then compare it to easy propagated and cultivated strong trichocereus clone and make my own mind what species and tek are best way to grow mescaline containing cacti. I ask this just because of a fact I don't see any ornamental way by keeping a garden full of grafted peyote. I know what for the buttons are used in the past and today. Thanks if you're willing to answer few questions about peyote with pereskiopsis and also, what is the story of your clone, do you have propagate it by breeding or is it just from one patch of seeds of peyote? Peace. Edited by intelligentlife (01/06/14 03:53 AM)
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jaguarette Registered: 05/07/13 Posts: 1,908 |
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Quote: not concerned with consumption issues. im concerned with conservation issues. these things are at risk of extinction because of consumption. as is other types of rare cacti. a good portion,of mail ex cacti are consumed or killed thru poor care. if they werent, we would see alot more of them . if anyone wants to see a judgement in my hyper hydro graft teks, thats their projection. as for strains? we searched thru over 20k seeds about a decade ago, for unique strains for clones. so we do have forms/ unique to our lab. ive never been against ornamental growers. thats a hater fantasy to recruit sympathy to their vile POV. what i am against, is someone mail- exing a cactus, then declaring themselves a PHD expert, and then foisting BS fantasy on actual growers. if there isnt a line between EXPERIENCE and parcel post, we all might as well give up and die under a saguaro somewhere. if ya wanna order half of thailand in an auction, fine. just dont tell me about my from seed hydro -phora . dont need it. ill always answer reasonable questions. preferably one at a time. --------------------
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Planeteer Registered: 01/10/11 Posts: 638 Loc: The Middle of Pe Last seen: 10 years, 18 days |
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Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: It seems to me that you NEVER answer questions... no matter how they are presented. -------------------- "My worm farm" "96 Gallon Worm Tote" "Let Your Freak Flag Fly" "Respect Your Roots" "A KNEW IDEA" "Nothing New" "Willkommen im EthnoGarten" "Don't Be a Backeberg" "Mites and Mealy Bugs" "The Heart and the Sun" If someone doesn't want your LIGHT, shine it some where else. Everyday there are people who LOVE, ACCEPT, and LOOK FORWARD to making CONTACT with you. YOU are capable of GREAT THINGS even if you feel neglected or mistreated in OUR current SPACE. Change your ways, change our WORLD, there is SAFTEY in NUMBERS. Welcome to the PRESENT. ~ 144,000 Anonymous Voices “Call it a clan, call it a network, call it a tribe, call it a family: Whatever you call it, whoever you are, you need one. [NOW]” - Jane Howard
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Cacti junky Registered: 10/05/03 Posts: 6,648 Loc: The bridgesii br |
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Quote: Lophophora is plentiful in cultivation collections on every single continent barring Antarctica and a vast majority of growers don't grow for consumption, so how could you say this? Posting these links for further reading if you're interested. There are places in TX where they have been over harvested, I'll give you that. But in Mexico they are still plentiful and untouched in many areas. http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/hunt http://www.fs.fed.us/rm/pubs/rmr Quote: Please I'm begging at this point for you to stop repeating this as if it were a fact. Even if the first sentence in this quote were true, it has no bearing on how many mail order pictures we see posted online. The two are not correlated at all. Most people who purchase cacti are simply not interested in posting pictures of them online after they receive them. Quote: The world isn't quite as black and white as this. I have several sites bookmarked where expert growers are constantly trading genetics with one another. You seem to think people are either an experienced grower who never trades/buys cacti or they're a mail order noob. How do you think expert growers get new genetics to grow? Seeds don't rain from the sky. ![]() I'm not on the offensive here so please be kind in return. I'm only interested in correcting misinfo when I spot it. This site is all about overcoming the wealth of misinformation out there on the web, so I'd assume we both have the same goals in mind, do we not? Grow on. -------------------- D Manoa said: I need to stop spending all my money on plants and take up a cheaper hobby, like heroin. Looking for Rauhocereus riosaniensis seeds or live specimen(s), me if you have any for trade
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Noaidi Registered: 10/18/10 Posts: 2,627 Loc: EU Last seen: 7 years, 4 months |
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Haters gonna hate. Risk of extinction is when you mutilate your peyote.. What happen if peyote extinct from nature, do you think you can help with planting grafted buttons with stick of pereskiopsis in to desert? That's your solution? Tap root is the best part of the peyote, without this good root an water storage system it can't survive on it's habitat. Tap root is survival in that way, if you fear extinction, why the hell you mutilate the plant the way it's not even part of the nature anymore?
C'mon.. Europe is good example how much there is peyote around cause cultivation is legal, and every year, every season new big amount of peyote plants are sown for sale later on. So if I want piece of mind for you I should stop trading lophophora in order to make more money to my pocket? I can say, everyone ask plants with own roots, grafted plants are considered to be ugly in ornamental gardens. Even best specialist of cacti will trade and buy them. What's wrong with that? What's wrong to sell plants after they are grown bigger or sell them directly without planting them on my garden. Seems your way also doesn't help lophophora genus from extinction, they should flower and produce seeds in order to survive in habitat. I got an idea, I harvest and buy shitloads of seeds, thousands of them, the pick one from there and say it's unique.. Haven't you seen all peyote are unique if they're seed grown? Does your decision to pick one specimen and propagate it makes your clones more unique to clones around? Few of my peyote plants I have not sold and keep in my garden, their mother and father plants are imported from mexico at 60-70's.. And basically all peyote are imported from that small part of the world by humans. But none of my peyote or lophophora isn't collected from their habitat, they all grown from seed, some of them I have buy'd as smaller and grow bigger, some I have grow from seed, some I have buy'd near by nursery... I never buy peyote nor cacti outside european borders.. But yes, peyote is imported from mexico to europe, most, almost all peyote i europe are basically grown via cuttings or from seed inside europe and it doesn't have nothing to do about harvesting the plants from their habitat.. If we don't count the fact europeans have been import lophophora at 60's and 70's from their habitat. Anyway, I don't stop collecting mother plants because you don't like it. I can buy specimens, grow them big enough to let them flower, mix pollen to increase seeds in fruit and sow seeds and grow my own plants from seed... Overall when think of this, every loph are basically someway mail order plant, even if you obtain seeds in mail are same thing.. Without business of lophophora cacti, your work are probably worthless.. And you should first to get to know european markets of lophophora before you start to blame everyone they're noobs. One guy I know buy and sell peyote, and respect the hard grown ones, he makes own salary with these plants along another cacti.. Also he grow plants from seed and sell them.. You make this whole peyote business sound it's so black and white. C'mon I help people get what they want by speaking their language, when I buy I speak english, when I sell I speak my native language. Do you undertand I help people to get this rare cacti.. And if common plant enthusiast obtain expensive peyote, they do whatever they want to keep plant alive, they are too expensive to buy and let die. Maybe you have experience of buying plants online from asia and then find out they die in your care? Or where you have find out "all peyote got from mail will going to die"? As I have said, some people at 80's there have obtained peyote as young rare plant, still they have them but they are older and bigger and part of bigger garden complex. Sounds you have bad experience about peyote obtained trough mail because you hate it so much? IF one noob buy peyote trough mail and destroy them, it doesn't mean all who buy plants are noobs. I know lots of collectors who buy constantly new plants, size of the plant it's not important, only what is important is the plant itself. Mail order peyote(seedlings or adults) and your way to mutilate peyote are both very bad to this plant genus. IF you're really worried about peyote and possible extinction of the plant, do not mutilate this rare plant, just keep them in soil and alive with less care and water. Why they need to be fast growing for your pleasure? Can't you see yourself? You mutilate peyote for your own pleasure and obsession to get growth rate big under lights and with root stock plant. In my mind, less human help peyote need, better it is for this genus of cacti. If your obsession is to have fast peyote via grafting, maybe some people have obsession to have fast peyote via mail, what's the difference? You mutilate and consume electricity to achieve fast your buttons. Your called noobs have mail and plant peyote to soil. Why need to graft? Why need artificial light? -Because you don't have patience to wait peyote to grow and you have probably obsession to get them grow mass. All grafting is mutilation of peyote for human own pleasure, it doesn't basically help the peyote at all. If you really care peyote, you should not mutilate them, sow seeds and let them take their own time to grow. OR obtain few mother plants, collect sees from them and grow lots of plants from seed without any obsession to get them grow faster and bigger. Maybe your perspective of mail order plants are too narrow. Even good growers will buy plants from mail, there are lots of reasons why to obtain a plant from mail, someone want to expand their collection with new species or mutants.. If you really think all peyote will die trough mail, you have very narrow perspective to see hobby of collecting cactus. If I want new species of cacti, I don't try to obtain seeds and grow at first, I want to make sure I really obtain a species what I want, there are seed sellers who are selling bad and old seeds or wrong seeds to just rip off money from people. Some people want to make sure they obtain species they really want, only way is to get young plant trough mail. There are lots of reasons why, more than you have explanations why not. One fucking huge and obvious reason why most people don't even photograph peyote and try to proof you anything are the fact peyote is illegal in some countries and if it's not illegal it can be illegal to import. So why take a risk and photograph the "criminal activity" in order to proof you their words? I really don't see your peyote mutilation way are different than buying young peyote in mail to start growing or graft the buy'd buttons. IMO best peyote is peyote what doesn't require any attention from human and don't consume electricity probably produced in nuclear plants. If I really want to start judge, there is lots of "wrong" things you do morally wrong like all of us.. We really don't know are our electricity from nuclear plants or not, we really don't know how much nature are destroyed in order to we have electricity and clean water. If you want to moralize everyone, think twice before you use drinkable water for plants or expensive artificial lights. Why not collect water from nature and use sun light? Why to "save peyote" or whatever your mission seems to be if same time we humans destroy our own environment by using questionable technology what basically pollute our environment? I can't moralize you because your way of cultivation of peyote, but if you really love the mother nature, stop using plastic containers, artificial lights and get your water when it's raining from outdoors. There are lots of persons in the third world who suffer because of us and our technology in western world... I would not worry about peyote if cultivation consumes natural resources too much.. If some "noob" obtain few peyote, use clay pots, windowsill and rain water for them.. I dare to say it's way more better to mother earth than any kind of fancy equipment using. I can't moralize you about using artificial lights and so on, I use them also over winter but I have really think I should stop using any kind of technology to grow cacti because after all every technology ends up as trash to another side of the world where people are already suffer, our problems and arguments about how to grow peyote are basically silly compared to the costs how much environment suffer from plastic pot production, energy production and water purification. Peyote will do fine without any help of human. We destroy habitat of peyote and overharvest peyote, we block rivers(what change ecosystem very bad) to produce electricity, build nuclear plants and rip off mother earth. Every electronic equipment or tap water are someway linked to destroying the planet.. In fact you, me and everyone who use new technology should be think twice because we grow cacti in the cost of ripping mother nature. Do we really need to grow any cacti with new technology because another part of the world will suffer because about production of plastic and energy to power up our lights or heat? I have some kind of moral dilemma because of this all, I want people(me also) stop using resources made by ripping of the nature in order to achieve our own goal to get plants shape what we want. Every possible technology use for any purposes to grow plants are hypocritical because plastics and metals are from mining and oil industry. Do we really need to save peyote in order to destroy more nature elsewhere.. It's not morally right, peyote can be cultivated easily without the help of mining and oil industry. I have really think to stop using any technology in my garden and like I do, I continue to collect water from nature. Also fertilizers and growing medium can be done easily also from nature without causing any major damage. Are any small artificial plant environment worth of destroying mother nature elsewhere? Morally perspective of all this is not so simple. If you anne really use all year around your equipment in order to keep peyote buttons, you have same time supported oil and mining industry and non-directly destroy mother nature elsewhere by achieving your goal with peyote buttons. I'm puzzling morally about using lights over winter because I know all kind of support of technology will destroy big areas of some another people environment. I really don't know how electricity are produced to my light bulbs, I probably support russian nuclear energy by keeping my plant lights on, also when I buy any kind of plastic pots or heating pads I support oil and mining industry non-directly.. I know there are lots of "noobs" who doesn't use artificial lights, heating nor plastic pots and commercial soil for peyote. Why anne declare war against people who basically even don't destroy our planet and grow "mail trophy peyote" without any non-direct support to oil and mining industry? Also electric production are very harmful already. Maybe anne should think more deeper about war against noobs and use of technology from moral perpective, is it really worth of getting bunch of fancy peyote buttons by supporting non-directly worlds nastiest industries? ..we all who use artificial lights and energy should think what is morally right and what is not. Morally right way isn't the best way to grow peyote, it's very slow job. Every grower, including me should think should we even need to support oil and mining industry and how much human blood are bleed in order to we have possible to grow all kind of things. All electric lights and their "ecology" are basically just illusion in our head, we really don't see how much shit and waste big industries dump to third world out of our own backyard. If we cut of the morality about using of electricity and technology, then we do good job when we can get plants feel more comfortable and same time all technology trash and shit are exported elsewhere.... I can say few mail order peyote plants imported or exported for noobs isn't mean anything compared to how much technology waste we dump to nations where people suffer about it already. Anne, your "war" against noobs with mail order peyote will support pollution and big nasty corporations. If you want to do morally right thing, shut the power off and grow plants at windowsill in clay pots like noobs you're fight against. "the new age" and all modern technology with electric consumption devices are morally bullshit and support only bad industries when we buy constantly new tech.. Old tech will be exported to nations where humans are already living surrounded by trash and toxic.. IF you have not morality at all when using new technology, like most of us doesn't have and if we say we have moral it's just hypocritical bullshit.. Why we just don't throw our technology and new age away and focus really things what are morally right thing to do. Saving peyote from "noobs" doesn't mean anything if you same time support industries what doesn't have moral and they destroy our planet, new age tech are hypocritical bullshit. Those "noobs" are probably right if they don't use extra tech to grow peyote? Even they don't understand they do not support oil and mining industry by using new tech but at least their way to grow peyote are morally right, even they don't know how to care plants. I can say I have not much of moral from that perspective at winter time, but I don't use growing lights when sun is visible. And I have really think to reduce or stop using electricity at all when I grow my plants. In my climate it would be 6-7months of dormant and only 5-6months of growing season. Then I can say I don't pollinate our planet and human habitat with my hobby. Only what is really worth of saying is we just need to stop using any technology and new age bullshit and see who can manage to get best results without any technology and therefor grow important peyote without raping the mother nature non-directly with it. I maybe jumped little bit to offtopic but I don't think our fancy systems are morally right way to keep peyote thriving in the cost of we same time rape mother nature by using technology. And yes, I am hypocritical, my computer is result from oil and mining industry, maybe partial by recycling of metals and plastic.. I know one people stop using technology doesn't matter and it's just water drop in the ocean, but for the sake of morality most of our ways to grow cacti is wrong. Only these noobs who have their windowsill cacti without any technology are the one who are doing the right thing when we change perspective, even they can't manage to keep cactus healthy, but at least they don't use technology what is literally trash and waste in to future and it will be exported to elsewhere where we don't see the trash and old technology.. What kind of world we leave to your offspring and next generations by constantly supporting new tech or even use technology for things like cultivating small peyote buttons for nothing? Do you anne see the moral issue of using any kind of new tech or not? Can you see it or don't you want to see it? Edited by intelligentlife (01/06/14 02:19 PM)
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Stranger Registered: 02/06/09 Posts: 1,046 Loc: Australia Last seen: 9 years, 8 months |
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Some questions that still go unanswered.
Quote: So after trolling through the quagmire that is the blog I think I can answer 3 of the last 4 questions myself. The first time these pint cups show up is at the beginning of October so this is a totally new unproven setup. So growing in soil goes back to the beginning of time and yet a not even three month old trial is supposed to prove every other grower in the world is doing it wrong. Cheers Got
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Cacti junky Registered: 10/05/03 Posts: 6,648 Loc: The bridgesii br |
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Quote: Three months is almost comparable to 425 million years, if you squint your eyes and brain hard enough. Quote: It appears LED will be the only legitimate method to growing cacti indoors in a few more months. If you've got fluoros or CFLs running, I'd suggest packing them up before the endorsement deadline hits. You don't want to be "that guy" who gets caught with his pants down still running an antiquated lighting setup. Subpar crops grown under fluoros like this just won't cut it. Edited by SuperD (01/07/14 05:21 AM)
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jaguarette Registered: 05/07/13 Posts: 1,908 |
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hmmm if ya havent used LED , you dont realize the advantages.
as for the cup thing, tubes , cups, flasks small vases........ all work, the cups merely increase stability and head footprint. i always find it odd, that peeps know so much about something they havent tried, or have even seen before. i also find the faux news spin on stuff sorta bizzare. anyone suggesting the small water subs , is more than the buckets of dirt. is really reaching. fact is guys, after all the spin and twistng in the wind, it exists, it works, its fast, its sustainable, and its energy efficient......... from the letters on my blog last few days, it appears if anything, your all convincing peeps to try it. i always bank most grow peeps are sane. its worked for me so far. oh and goonthen, this research into hydro cacti began almost 15 yrs ago, and the first prototypes in polycarbs were first shown about 10 yrs ago........ so , um ya totally untested for a decade? just cuz its new to you, doesnt mean its new to annie. its the new age, not new teks. i can understand when new grafters havent seen it......... Edited by anne halonium (01/07/14 01:53 PM)
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Cacti junky Registered: 10/05/03 Posts: 6,648 Loc: The bridgesii br |
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You're actually doing quite well anne. Just look at the number of hits on this thread alone when compared to the average EG thread on the front page.
Quote: You got me there. I haven't tried LED yet and it does seem promising for certain growing scenarios, but you can't say we haven't seen it before when you're constantly posting pics of it in every thread you make. Quote: Again, no arguments here. You've proven beyond any reasonable doubt to any sane person that your setup works for you. It's just that most of us are not growing for the same reasons you are, so convincing everyone to hop on board with your teks won't work regardless of how effective and efficient they may seem to you. I can't speak for anyone else in this thread but I personally prefer lophs grown in my greenhouses under the sun because they put off a nice blue hue as seen in my signature. When your setup is capable of producing results that I want...
-------------------- D Manoa said: I need to stop spending all my money on plants and take up a cheaper hobby, like heroin. Looking for Rauhocereus riosaniensis seeds or live specimen(s), me if you have any for trade
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jaguarette Registered: 05/07/13 Posts: 1,908 |
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lighting affects chloro A and cholro B,
hence color and to a degree shape. thats sorta the beauty of the tek, it makes them highly variable in a predictable way. fast. i do, what i do, for my reasons. there are certainly many options for color , shape, and nutes/ lights. the point of releasing some of this stuff into the wild, is in hopes others will add to the experiments possibilities. --------------------
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Ban Lotto Champion Registered: 07/08/09 Posts: 53,859 |
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When you release back to nature, is transitioning to sunlight something you do slowly? Or are they surviving immediate transplants?
Apologies in advance if this question had been answered already.
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Cacti junky Registered: 10/05/03 Posts: 6,648 Loc: The bridgesii br |
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Quote: She's referring to releasing her teks/methods onto forums, not releasing her specimens back into their native habitats. ![]() Quote: If you or someone else experimenting with your teks is capable of producing compact, fairly flat, and blueish looking lophs by utilizing LED, I'll be on board faster than you can say carrots. -------------------- D Manoa said: I need to stop spending all my money on plants and take up a cheaper hobby, like heroin. Looking for Rauhocereus riosaniensis seeds or live specimen(s), me if you have any for trade
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Ban Lotto Champion Registered: 07/08/09 Posts: 53,859 |
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Ah thanks, gotcha. I've been under the impression this was about replenishing the dwindling wild peyote.
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Noaidi Registered: 10/18/10 Posts: 2,627 Loc: EU Last seen: 7 years, 4 months |
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I got also understanding anne trying to save peyote from extinction with her tek? Does that say something or why worry about extinction of peyote and same time mutilate them "out from nature"?
Anne, do me a favor and obtain via mail greenhouse grown one mammillaria, gymnocalycium and one cobular echinopsis under your lights. Next to your grafted plants. Wait few motnhs and show us a picture how much LED change appearance of plants. New growth will show how effective LED really are. Show pics before and after, so these plants taken out from greenhouse, add to your setup and you can see from them.. If they grow like they have been, I believe you have very effective light for cactus. If some plants change form over few months... well you can make your own conclusions from that. I know you hate "mail order trophy" plants but obtain few specimens grown in nursery. I would like to see how much the appearance have change. Also why spent lots of money to LED where is very picky spectrum, every small "bulb" send very narrow spectrum of light. Because of you have already LED and you say they're best, just spent small amount of money for plants and post pictures later what kind of new growth your LED setup show. Maybe this is good for grafted lophs, but there are nothing to compare.. I mean another species, non-grafted ones. You're trying to sell your tek for people who have more species than peyote. If you really declare LED are best, proof it with another species also. I would want to see small gymno, mammillaria and echinopsis obtained from nursery and later on see what kind of appearance they have after one season under your lights. When you have lots of species and pics of more than one species under LED, it would be easier to make decision. If you can afford to spent lots of money to few LED, it should not be problem to afford to obtain 3 different species of small cobulars and show pics after few months how dramatically growth have been changed. If you are trying to sell this tek only for people who grow peyote as grafted, then go for it. But don't start argue if you have no experience of any other species of cacti under your lights. I never stop using fluoro nor cfl for cacti, seedlings.. And if I use them I use only them as giving extra light at windowsill or giving light over window. If LED grow lights would not have so much bullshit in their prices, I would buy them.. Also I would build LED lights, but I'm really not interested the use of LED for cacti. Only cannabis and other foliage plants, LED are perfect even their prices are too much. Components for LED-panel are over half of the price than actual ready panel. So if components are buy'd by bigger company, they are more cheaper. Some cannabis grower build their own LED.. They're as equal as LED light buy'd from store. Only difference is there is still too much "air" in the price of LED.. These are really famous lights along cannabis growers, but for cacti? c'mon.. ![]() Basically not any light are best for cactus if you have possibility to use sun light. Edited by intelligentlife (01/07/14 05:19 PM)
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TOAST N' JAM Registered: 09/05/99 Posts: 31,456 Loc: 613 |
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I wonder how multi-taprooted degrafts might do in the wild after a sufficient acclimatization period. Conventional wisdom seems to be that single taproots are better for drought resistance, but I haven't seen any tests on it where someone actually transferred degrafts to the wild.
I think Anne may be talking about taking pressure off wild populations indirectly though, by producing plants in culture in greater number so that less would be harvested from the wild.
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