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anne halonium
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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: hookahhead]
#19367182 - 01/04/14 08:10 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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note above, you were debunked.

dont ask me to show you experiments, when ya wont click the blog full of em.
maybe ill get out a microscope and some stains. might find some structure enhanced thru hydro.
once again, nice try, someone give this guy a seed gift bag .
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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: anne halonium]
#19367191 - 01/04/14 08:17 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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hookahhead said: Knowing that I could probably try to help you until i'm blue in the face, and you still wont "get it", I post this information to educate those who truly want to learn.

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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: hookahhead]
#19367224 - 01/04/14 08:28 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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cute ya grew a trichocereus tray. novel distraction.
now explain to me , what this has to do with XHTTL, or this?

lets not over look your distorted post on xylems and pholems.. own up to your distortions now,
this thread is about bydro loph taming. not worm taming. or trichocereus trays.
fact is ya know nothing about hydro grafting, and not alot about cactus in general.
you prove my point.
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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: hookahhead] 1
#19367234 - 01/04/14 08:31 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroponics "Static solution culture
In static solution culture, plants are grown in containers of nutrient solution, such as glass Mason jars (typically, in-home applications), plastic buckets, tubs, or tanks. The solution is usually gently aerated but may be un-aerated. If un-aerated, the solution level is kept low enough that enough roots are above the solution so they get adequate oxygen. A hole is cut in the lid of the reservoir for each plant. There can be one to many plants per reservoir. Reservoir size can be increased as plant size increases. A home made system can be constructed from plastic food containers or glass canning jars with aeration provided by an aquarium pump, aquarium airline tubing and aquarium valves. Clear containers are covered with aluminium foil, butcher paper, black plastic, or other material to exclude light, thus helping to eliminate the formation of algae. The nutrient solution is changed either on a schedule, such as once per week, or when the concentration drops below a certain level as determined with an electrical conductivity meter. Whenever the solution is depleted below a certain level, either water or fresh nutrient solution is added, A Mariotte's bottle, or a float valve, can be used to automatically maintain the solution level. In raft solution culture, plants are placed in a sheet of buoyant plastic that is floated on the surface of the nutrient solution. That way, the solution level never drops below the roots."
I learned how to root a pineapple top in the 6th grade, I must have used your tek.
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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: anne halonium] 1
#19367255 - 01/04/14 08:39 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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anne halonium said:
your not suggesting they grow by magic and exceed known plant physiology? and they thrive.
its a biomass powerhouse, on a shelf. sorry guys , clay pots and dirt dont meet my performance needs.
bottom line, all my pics, and all my examples i grew myself. dont need the mail-ex and others web pics, to prove my hydro cacti graft grow.............
   
See this is my only issue with you, you want us to prove you wrong, but as soon as we try you back pedal worse than a Nigerian scammer. Your gallon of bleach could have been empty, no clue where you got this picture from, please provide photo documentation for this in this thread. I'm not an idiot to think that your cacti has 0 phloem, but the health of the cacti in the pictures I highlighted are certainly questionable. I used YOUR pictures, I don't know what the insides of the rest of your cacti look like. All the information that is there is still as true as it was hours ago. Also I thought this thread was about grafts in bog-like conditions, at one point you said I can just plop any seed onto the top. Why discriminate now? You accuse us (me?) of mail ordering everything, so I showed you tons of seedlings. I don't recall ever seeing Anne ever do anything with seeds, not even on her infamous blog? The few cacti that I currently have in winter dormancy were all traded/gifted, and I'm sorry you can't just raise a named clone from seed. Wanna see my astro or ferro graph ? You claim that your method is at least 2x as good as dirt, in several categories but have failed to provide substantial proof. I feel I have done an acceptable job of backing my side.
Anne I am not entirely against your tek, I just still fail to see the benefit. I would certainly love to pack more room into my jam packed cabinet, and your ideas have certainly made me think. My original intention was only to offer you some of my knowledge, just as you did us. However, you can not dispute that your grafts look abnormal. Your periskiopsis roots are not getting ANY oxygen after about 2 hours of changing the water, so for the other 9.9 days they are stagnant. If the swamp grafts grow normal under other lighting than you know your LED either working better or worse than expected. I appreciate your contributions to this community, but can not help but offer a contrasting view when such startling claims are being made... Periskiopsis grow.. like a damn weed.. whether illuminated in a window sill, outside, CFL, LED, or sharks with lasers on their heads, and their respective grafts typically do just as well. However, plants need several Micro and Macro nutrients.
http://soils.wisc.edu/facstaff/barak/soilscience326/macronut.htm
If you want optimal yields, you need optimal conditions, and your wide off the mark.
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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: hookahhead] 1
#19367664 - 01/04/14 11:21 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Do I understand right anne doesn't break the water surface to get oxygen in water?
Howcome anything like that can be said to be hydro if you don't pump air to water or use somekind of tek what breaks the water surface and therefor gives more benefit.
I have grown cannabis in hydro, there need to be constantly pump inside the water container to make water good and rich with oxygen.
However, I do unerstand really these pereskiopsis sit on still water with roots got light?
Isn't the rule for hydro, no matter of plant that water needs be constantly on the move to have oxygen in there, also no light to roots. OR Do I have miss something?
I understand if I root cutting in still water tray, but I would never think of say it's "hydro" if plant sit on still water 10days, is it?
I doubt, most plant doesn't even tolerate or suffer if water doesn't have good supply of oxygen what should be done with air pipes and pump or drop water pump to bigger tray what causes bubbles and therefor add oxygen to water..
Do anne really keep pereskiopsis on STILL water 10days?? it's not hydro.. Well.. Maybe passive hydro.. But I have never heard of hydro where water is still even for one hour. Also why anne use tray's with transparent sides? Roots should be in dark and have oxygen rich water.. Water goes to shit and plant does't benefit everything if you don't really break the surface of water to get oxygen there..
I have build lots of hydros for cannabis.. Easiest way is just drop water pump to water container and let it bubble there, it's enough to supply oxygen to water, I have never heard there is hydro where water stands still in transparent container.. Maybe it's "passive-hydro" or cutting root container?
I mean I have build "bubbler" to get oxygen to water.

Two plants in soil, one in the middle in hydro-bubbler. I have realize long time ago water needs to be even have bubbles constantly to let plant benefit from it.. Even one day still water, plants doesn't like it. They need oxygen in water and in soil. no doubt.

Plant sit on container where roots doesn't have light, there is fertilizers and water pump drop to bottom of container to make sure there is enough oxygen in water. Hydro or bubbler or what you want to call it, it's not it if water stands still...
Or do you ever bubble your water anne? do you let pereskiopsis roots to have light?
I have only seen hydro is good what comes to harvest of plant material is proper bubbler/hydro and different plant.
Someone tell me do I understand right anne keep pereskiopsis at still standing water 10days? How's the oxygen supply to water without breaking the surface of water constantly for example with water bubbles what can be done easily and I see hydro means water have oxygen supply.. Right? or why my cannabis grows more better when I have water pump bubbling the water to make sure there is oxygen?
Should this same thing to do to pereskiopsis instead of let them stand on still water 10days, damn.. I use still water only for cuttings, not for cultivation because water needs oxygen if plant needs to be healthy enough.
Sorry I don't understand english properly, it's not my native language, but I understand annie doesn't make anything over 10days to make sure water have enough oxygen for plant roots? Why containers are transparent, root's doesn't need light, or are they transparent because you can photo the roots?
Hookahhead, explain me in nuttshell, do anne have pereskiopsis in still water 10days? All common sense that should not be called even hydro if water is still and not taken care of oxygen supply with someway.. I maybe miss something but do I figure out right, 10 day still water without any care of oxygen supply? Why? why? oxygen to roots benefit's pereskiopsis as well as any plant. OR can I even say standing still water is hydro, it's just a bottle for cuttings, not hydro. Right? 
Cannabis plant is mine in my own build bubbler without no water pipes, water pump only cause emotion and bubbles to water to make sure there is oxygen, that was good stuff MJ from that plant.. Anyway, I was tired of using hydro/bubbler, I like soil, it's easy with cacti and with cannabis, but I wanted to try bubbler for cannabis and I understand plant doesn't like if water stands still without any equipment for it.. roots need oxygen, not light.. OR what makes pereskiopsis hydro different to cannabis bubbler? ...Smaller plant tray and different ferilizers?
I have understand and I do things like this: -Still standing water is just for rooting cuttings, there is no oxygen supply for roots, no need yet. -When plant have roots to still water, it have to be moved to container where is oxygen supply to water -So.. "anne hydro" is just water bottle for rooting cannabis/chili/pereskiopsis/cucumber cuttings?
IMO Hydro in cultivation means there are oxygen supply also, otherwise it's just a water container where cuttings can be rooted.. huh?
My cannabis plant sucked 30liter of water every day at the end, Still I don't kept in in still standing water.. I used water pump to make dark container with bubbling fertilized water.. Without the pump I don't think so I could manage to grow one plant that size..
I know all about hydro-growing, what makes pereskiopsis so different it can be used with different rules and forget oxygen supply to water? once every 10day water change ain't enough IMO.
However I find learning and care of hydro farm was so big work, I am satisfied to soil grown cannabis and as well pereskiopsis.. But my collection of plants are way more than loph and pereskiopsis. these species are just small part of whole collection. I'm just curious to graft plant to pereskiopsis but building hydro for them? One reason I don't care to build pereskiopsis hydro is simple, too much work wihout nothing benefit, best ornaments grow in soil.. Also weed is as good in soil than hydro, hydro cannabis are just fast way to get some. But rules of hydro-farming should not be different to pereskiopsis or cannabis? Right?
Soil I still love, just want to share my soil grow, some of these are re-vegetate growth cannabis to get fast new MJ from harvested plant 

Peace
Everyone do like they want, I don't mind of it but I'm confused why pereskiopsis hydro works without oxygen supply to roots? What makes it so different pereskiopsis doesn't need oxygen over 10days? Should you anne try to supply oxygen to roots and hide light from roots, maybe have better results.. I don't say you don't have good result but just for improve your tek?
Edited by intelligentlife (01/04/14 11:46 AM)
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Addressing the light/root issue. While some plant's don't like having their roots exposed, others don't seem to mind. Why people lightproof hydro setups is because of algae. You create the perfect environment, its warm, nutrient abundant and light rich. However the algae will compete for nutrients/clog your pipes and hoses. Another suprise! We don't see any signs of algae in any of Anne's cups. She probably tidy's them up before breaking out the camera. Let a glass of drinking water sit in the window for 10 days...
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If someone doesn't want your LIGHT, shine it some where else. Everyday there are people who LOVE, ACCEPT, and LOOK FORWARD to making CONTACT with you. YOU are capable of GREAT THINGS even if you feel neglected or mistreated in OUR current SPACE. Change your ways, change our WORLD, there is SAFTEY in NUMBERS. Welcome to the PRESENT. ~ 144,000 Anonymous Voices “Call it a clan, call it a network, call it a tribe, call it a family: Whatever you call it, whoever you are, you need one. [NOW]” - Jane Howard
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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: hookahhead]
#19367758 - 01/04/14 11:48 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Hydrogen peroxide every 10days when water is changed?
I have never jammed my water pump when I tried hydro-bubbler tho.
Anyway I just saw it needs too much work so I have move back to soil cultivation of all plants.. Mostly I grow today edible plants in greenhouse, I root cucumber and chili in regular drinking glass, I just make cover from foil, the puncture holes, and drop cutting to still standing water, when there is roots I move plant to small pot of rich soil and fertilizers and minerals. During the time normal plant rooting, there are no fertilizers or anything, just pure water.
I have still find out the fact if light achieve to reach in to fertile water, there will grow algae and moss.. Hydrogen peroxide wash of container remove this problem tho.. My normal cutting bottles doesn't need anything special compared to anne hydro I see. I just don't use fertile water for cuttings. But no matter what I try to block lights from roots, they are purposed to be underground, roots doesn't need light, basically it's pointless to even use transparent containers in hydro cultivation, if still standing water can be called even hydro. IMO it's not hydro without oxygen supply..
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anne halonium
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you guys need pages of gibberish, to explain your fantasy.
all i need is a few of MY pics, of cactus I GREW. ( as opposed to web pics and glamor shots of mail cacti.)

ive made my point to all rational readers. ill leave you guys to wind this one up with delusional posts and bizzare insults.....
it has become more than apparent, why i can do these types of things, and others are left stupified and apoplectic . and, why others are so filled with fear and hate. its saddening sorta.

im off to yacht club...............
shall ill pencil ya all in for the " aerophora X thread"?
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Edited by anne halonium (01/04/14 03:41 PM)
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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: anne halonium] 1
#19368945 - 01/04/14 03:54 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Noone is filled wit fear and hate, you are just filled with your ego and your blind to see people try to start conversation and it's common all things will be going to be questionable, you are not god who doesn't need to explain and answer questions. Understand it. Noone fear you or your tek.. You can't understand people. Lot's of text of questions and only you post back is things about you you you and you.. and you.. You turn yourself everything back to you as offensive without answering a single question or suggestion. This starts again to run circle and you start post same pics all over again and leave questions without answer.
Noone insult, peeps want to say opinion and advice.. Also you have skip most of my important questions and don't have answered to me what define basically your tek is it worth it or not. ..You probably never answer so why to believe you? You push your ego out and ignore important questions about your tek.. Yield of harvest, potency, flowering, fruiting, etc.. Noone of these you have not say a word, just blame peeps of insulting.
What you trying to proof if you don't even answer most important questions I have asked several times?
I just wonder why you don't care oxygen supply to roots in the water and then say your tek is hydro in that word what hydro cultivation really means. Also you tek is just not good for any kind o ornamental purposes, too much work and money to silly 2cm buttons without single flower.
Your tek works, okey, I understand... but what's the point of spent money and build your plant mutilation tek laboratory if you don't say what for you grow small immature scions.
I see you have just pereskiopsis in fertile still water and it's not yet full hydro and doesn't give full benefits of hydro-cultivation.
I just find out I root my china rose cuttings using just same tek you grow lophs. Only different way is I don't use fertilizers in water but it's standing still water in glass with cap on it and cuttings put trough the holes to root.
You can't separate advice and insult from each other annie.
Have you tested to supply oxygen to water to improve the growth rate of pereskiopsis or not?
If you see everything as insult, then so be it.. I just really don't see you have full hydro without providing the oxygen as well to the water jar where your plants standing, your tek is same what I use for rooting normal plants in glass jar, nothing more. 
Insult is totally different, peeps try to go dialog and say their opinion, you got insulted about that. Without another peeps want to insult you. Your skills for dialog are lacking, why only you can say your advice as form of opinion and other people opinion to your advice are suddenly insult?
No one is perfect, peeps wonder why you don't have taken care of main part of what hydro-cultivation really is...
I'm not same opinion with you about your tek.. it's not "full hydro" if plants standing in still water.. hydro-cultivation needs oxygen supply to water constantly to increase growth speed.
I know these plants like any other cutting of plant survive 10 days or even months in standing still water without taking care of oxygen in to water.. My point is, it's not hydro-cultivation if you are not supply the oxygen to water via air- or water pump and use running water.. your tek is just water bottle with plants basically.
Only difference I see to tek I use to root cucumber, china rose, chili, cannabis, etc is you use fertilized water and pereskiopsis. I don't call that system hydro even plants stand on water. Hydro is system where are running water to make sure oxygen mixed to water..
No matter what I just don't care anymore, You don't even give answers I have tried to ask, only reply same photos and constantly push up your ego.. What for you even do these threads over and over again with same questions without any of your answers, you just blame everyone attack you and feels your ego is bigger than whole community there...
I'm tired of this bullshit, your tek is not bullshit, this dialog is because you answer like some ego-bot spamming same pics and same insults. I don't even understand what are you after with this because you don't answer obvious, simply questions totally based on this tek. And treads start going pointless circle again.
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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: anne halonium]
#19369381 - 01/04/14 05:33 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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anne halonium said: shall ill pencil ya all in for the " aerophora X thread"?
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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: anne halonium]
#19369667 - 01/04/14 06:31 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Next time tell us something new, you have blog, cult, ego, reputation and big farm of hydro-cacti. When asking about the benefits of your great tek and fancy equipment in case of sharing the professional information you don't give a shit to even answer basic questions about what you actually even do with your plants... ....why bother to start a thread about your work if you don't even know how to talk about the context of thread?
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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: SuperD] 2
#19369678 - 01/04/14 06:34 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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It's about time that someone bust the myth that bloated peyotes can't be used as tires for toy cars! About bloody time! And since carrots can be used for it as well, we must assume the peyotes are just as solid as the carrots. Marvelous research report! Bravo!
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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: rockylampoon]
#19369708 - 01/04/14 06:39 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Finally Anne, we agree on something! I have an extremely difficult time reading any of intelligentlife's posts. I know he means well.. but it seems after the first few lines I become confused or feel like I am reading the same thing over and over? Either way love you both! Grow on
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"Nothing New" "Willkommen im EthnoGarten" "Don't Be a Backeberg" "Mites and Mealy Bugs" "The Heart and the Sun"
If someone doesn't want your LIGHT, shine it some where else. Everyday there are people who LOVE, ACCEPT, and LOOK FORWARD to making CONTACT with you. YOU are capable of GREAT THINGS even if you feel neglected or mistreated in OUR current SPACE. Change your ways, change our WORLD, there is SAFTEY in NUMBERS. Welcome to the PRESENT. ~ 144,000 Anonymous Voices “Call it a clan, call it a network, call it a tribe, call it a family: Whatever you call it, whoever you are, you need one. [NOW]” - Jane Howard
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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: hookahhead]
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hookahhead said: Why people lightproof hydro setups is because of algae. You create the perfect environment, its warm, nutrient abundant and light rich. However the algae will compete for nutrients/clog your pipes and hoses. Another suprise! We don't see any signs of algae in any of Anne's cups. She probably tidy's them up before breaking out the camera. Let a glass of drinking water sit in the window for 10 days...
While I have agreed with almost everything you've said thus far, I gotta step in here man. I've been working in the hydroponics industry, from product developement for companies, as well as some of the largest hydroponics shops in SoCal, giving advice on the floor, etc, for many years now. As well as being an accomplished prop 215 grower with around 8 years of growing under my belt. Well, there's my credentials since this seems to be so important in this thread. 
Anyway, the reason people lightproof rooms has little to nothing to do with algae. In fact, algae is not even a problem. One of my horticulture teachers actually got irritated with a student one time during a very basic cloning lab we were doing because she was trying to get rid of the algae on the top of her container. He said that algae eats so little, and doesn't go deep enough to harm 90%+ of most plants. I've probably cloned over 2000 plants or more in rockwool over the years and I stopped caring about algae a long time ago. I get 100% success in rockwool, and by the time they're rooted like a bloody claw out the bottom there are little to no yellow leaves whatsoever on them.
Growers lightproof rooms because ideally, outside weather permitting, you want to run the lights at night. So if you completely lightproof you're room you can accomplish this because plants don't "know" when the real day outside is. Running the lights at night saves a shitload of money on electrical costs, I've seen this in my own trials. Particularly in SoCal where our "harshest" winters consist of a nightly low of around 40-50 degrees. 
Anyway, my 2 cents. Continue logically and scientifically debunking Anne and everything she stands for.
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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: hookahhead]
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hookahhead, basically there is no need to understand it it's just messy bullshit.. I just want answer to context of the thread from person who have start this thread.
And my questions to annie, what are totally inside the context the thread. So I assume annie can answer without problems at all....
How much yield of dry peyote you have approx in one season?
What is the potency and size of your buttons? (dried)
How long it takes time to grow peyote from seed to flower?
How any ornamental grower benefit from this tek with LED?
How much seeds you harvest over one season?
Why spent lots of money to LED if I have lots of windows around the house and basially I don't need electricity to grow peyote scions above pereskiopsis?
annie, you are willing to introduce a tek, why you can't answer questions about this and only this context? I just asked simple few questions what are totally inside the context of your own made thread of grafted grown peyote vs hard grown "myth".. just please answer the context of your own started thread. OR have you even understand someone can ask these questions? I understand from topic tittle you challenge common peyote cultivation with pereskiopsis to get as much edible buttons as possible?
Peace, is this clear now?
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Good thing I refreshed the page. You beat me to it intelligentlife. I was in the middle of compiling and line itemizing your questions, as well as others into a bulleted list. Let's see if she answers them now.
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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: theMallacht]
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Thank you Mallacht, I definitely stand corrected. I have no shame admitting when I am wrong, and know that there are people who know much more on various subjects than me. Now that a proper and reasonable argument has been made, the learning process happens! I will no longer spread that bit of misinformation because I have been corrected; it's a good thing! Thats what this community is about. Experimentation, testing, and sharing our findings. I have learned so much about shit I had no clue I never even knew about thanks to this place. I lurked more than I posted in the beginning because I was still learning and trying my own things. However, as been repeated several thousand times in this thread by now... Anne many of us feel that you make wild claims, and we are simply trying to figure out what the hell your actually doing. We are all just as curious as you are, and if you successfully debunk our questions, I am sure you will see many more gardens like yours pop up... I certainly can't argue that your now propagating cacti, and none of us here should be the slightest bit upset about that. Your lophmobile certainly has us scratching our heads, but it was cute and clever, and I had never seen that before (man if I had a dollar for every time I said that about something on the internet..) However it would be much more enjoyable if I could take you seriously and didn't think you were a crackpot or trolling us. My frustration is that you refuse to address possible problems/limitations with your system and currently your the only one who has answers... You may feel like your addressing us.. but go back and read through all of this BS again. I don't think you've answered any HELPFUL questions about your method. You refer us to your blog, but all I can find is short blurbs, which again convey very little useful information. I may not be using it properly, but where is the real content? You said that you have grown hydro lophs under CFL, can you please show us some pictures and discuss that project with us a little more? Have you successfully converted anyone, and is there any chance they can chime in on the subject? We're not rejecting you dear... we just want some stronger evidence before we all switch to ugly bog grafts.
Ms. halonium, if you choose to ignore everything else I have said I will not be bothered, but please please please understand that plants sitting in a stagnant 10-10-10 solution is a serious and easily corrected hindrance... I really don't understand why you wouldn't want to make these changes aside from stubbornness. At the very least, add a little bit of kelp?
Holy wormpies batman... what if I run a small test along side you Anne? I could give it a whirl using worm casting tea? Then at least we may have something that your willing to discuss? I am sure 1 or 2 cups wouldn't take up much space in many of our gardens. Who's with me, maybe we can tweak things for better efficiency.
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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: theMallacht]
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Personally I like Anne's work. I've known her for several years and I consider her a friend. Her delivery style can be abrasive sometimes but IMO she has some interesting ideas and can be pretty easy to get along with when she's not on the defensive. I hope things stick to the technical rather than the personal as they have been for the last little while so that the thread doesn't get locked like the last one.
Basically her approach centers around scalability and efficiency, and her writings got me thinking in that way as well when I was starting out with grafting. I don't always end up using the same methods, but her writings were an inspiration to try to do things on the biggest scale my circumstances would allow, beginning with mass propagation of pereskiopsis. Mass grafting is a different approach from purist-style hard growing for a strict natural aesthetic, but the two are complementary as most here would probably agree.
The aeration question is a good one I think, why still water instead of a bubbler type setup or whatever (or some kind of substrate instead of DWC.) Anne's explanation is that the micro root hairs are easily damaged by too much water movement, but you have to wonder how the roots get sufficient oxygen under this regimen. An aeroponic setup as mentioned would address this problem but it sounds finicky to me (nozzles to get clogged or whatever.) Lightweight airy substrates with moderate moisture retention seem like a good compromise to me. No need to submerge the roots for more than a brief flood and drain cycle, and after that you have good aeration and moisture to the roots for a decent while. The "right" substrate can act as a buffer for moisture, keeping things in a desirable range more of the time with less fuss. Plus you can water a whole tray easily at once with flood and drain or dip and drain methods.
Regarding lighting and plant shape, the term "etoliation" gets thrown around a lot in the cactus world. Personally I don't consider skinny growth to be true etoliation necessarily. If you have ever really neglected the fuck out of a cactus, the new growth is near-white and incredibly easy to damage through handling. A skinny but green cactus is not really the same thing. Oblong growth habits may well be advantageous from a perspective of efficiency of biomass increase for all I know.
With LED a lot depends on the color balance from what I gather, if you want them flatter you use more blue. There are other growers who like LED for cacti as well. GGTBod is one who some here may recall, lives in the UK and grows fairly natural style. He switched to mostly posting on Myco-tek and his LED related stuff can be found there. There are other growers there doing the same thing and some other names people might recognize from here.
"Weird" growth habits are what they are though, you may not like the look but the plant is increasing in mass and creating new tissue (and new areoles, each of which is a potential new plant.) If desired you can always degraft buttons and grow them to approximate a natural look (at least above ground) over a fairly short timeframe. Same goes for tissue culture, the intermediate stages look pretty freaky but it's a means to an end. Personally cheap T8 lights and sunlight have served me well, but more efficient lights would help me scale things up with my off-season indoor operation without pissing off my landlord over the lighting bill. Unfortunately my equipment budget right now is pretty much nil but some high-output, blue-heavy lights in a strip light format would be pretty cool to mess around with as a T8 replacement for shelves.
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