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Re: Stuff autistic people say. [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19364298 - 01/03/14 04:49 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

the key is in a vibrant pereskiopsis.

if you have booming peres growth,
you can tack any cactus ive tested on it,
and it will 'golf ball' fast.



IMO, its all about the pereskiopsis.
the actual graft, is a just a jockey on a peres horse.

its more than a magic grow stick in a mud  pot on a window sill.
pereskiopsis should be grown so its vibrant and fast moving and go-go green..........
the plant is either thriving or its not.
hydro, or dirt, or even rockwool,
make pereskiopsis thrive, and grafts will boom.

i can understand when peeps are proud of their grafts.
be proud of your pereskiopsis also...........





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Re: Stuff autistic people say. [Re: anne halonium]
    #19364624 - 01/03/14 05:35 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Pereskiopsis is anyway just a few small pots in my garden..

I'm collecting mostly own root lohps, trichocereus and mutants.

And some succulents, anyway, it's fun to have some pereskiopsis, but I have not much of them but they are very cool and easy to propagate, just cut and plant to rocky soil, and water good, they keep on growing..

Anyway, I'm not much into grafting and caring of plants are part time hobby for me, I have so much another things to do I don't care much, cacti is perfect for me, they can be left without treatment long time.

Still I can't understand, I had 4x 5cm wide pots, same size perekiopsis with 3 of them had growth tip, one had scion(in the picture I show) ...they were all in the same conditions, only the one with 6months old loph scion above it have survived, others was really dead, I can really see when plant is for real dead.. Only one of these small pereskiopsis survived was that with scion, only what stock have been stay green, rest of them turned to some kind of gray dead slim sticks...

Pereskiopsis was all same clone, same size, only different was the one with scion was survived trough drought. I'm not sure but someway loph scion should have help stock to keep alive, they have all been 2weeks above heat pad inside "mini-greenhouse" that's why all was so much dried.. except same plant but it had scion on top of it.

Why not graft can work both way and possible water in the small loph button have kept that one alive and all others was just dead to too long drought. I don't know why just this survived, there was nothing different in environment, soil, water, etc..

I'm not expert of pereskiopsis anyway, I have just one big pot full of some cuttings, then few small pots with cuttings and scions top of them, few days ago done grafts, just testing is it even hard, but I have no space to pereskiopsis grafts in my garden anyway... I don't even now have enough room for plants.


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Re: Stuff autistic people say. [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19364716 - 01/03/14 05:48 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

almost everyone has space.
for a massive peres graft garden.



thats sorta the point.
cups, trays, water ,some nylon scrubs, LED lights.
its pure box store democracy for supplies.

just add shelf, and a seed and a twig.......


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Re: Stuff autistic people say. [Re: anne halonium]
    #19365164 - 01/03/14 07:07 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

anna have you attempted using a soil-less medium rather than sponge to hold the pereskiopsis roots? I would think that if you had lots of fine feeder roots rather than the thicker main roots you could get faster and healthier growth. You could use some sort of volcanic rocks used in bonsai soil so it won't affect you ph and you get the finer roots.

I don't see a problem with your hydro grafts other than how shitty they look but you don't care about that so it doesn't matter :shrug:


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Re: Stuff autistic people say. [Re: Big L]
    #19365422 - 01/03/14 07:52 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Quote:

anne halonium said:
i am against low level experience growers,
claiming to be experts, about teks they do not use or understand.
this cheats the entire community thru misinfo.
naturally im insulted, you should be





Well I am insulted by this because I give all my info through experience not some phony bologna new age horse doodoo. You think of me as some low level grower but you ma'am are the chlamydia of the shroomery and I will start shit with you any chance I get. I consider my self a shot of penicillin.

You lose your precious grafts outside due to them growing up too fast to develop an immune system. They cannot adapt at the rate you grow them.

Now if you notice me not using big words is because I dont work my brain but I work my body. My job as a roughneck does that to me. Im big and very strong and when i get a chance my gentle side comes out when tending to my plants. Not a cynic like you lady.

I wish to know how old you are. I believe you to be older in age but very immature. And in case you are wondering im 33 and very "hard grown". You are like your stupid grafts, very immature.

Thats all I will say about that and please KBG, dont encourage this lunatic.:nonono:

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Big L said:
I am only subscribing to this thread to see it get locked later. The logic behind this wouldn't even stand up to an elementary school science fair.




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I kept my mouth shut before but i feel people will back me up again and again until we get a cure for this disease


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Re: Stuff autistic people say. [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19365481 - 01/03/14 08:03 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

You're only 33 ferrel?I always thought you were my age.Well,you're close enough:biggrin:


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As George Bernard Shaw once said *DELETED* [Re: KBG1977] * 4
    #19366212 - 01/03/14 10:47 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: chums of chance]
    #19366350 - 01/03/14 11:23 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Quote:

Big L said:
I am only subscribing to this thread to see it get locked later. The logic behind this wouldn't even stand up to an elementary school science fair.



:lol:
Thank you. I was thinking the exact same thing. Building a little car with bloated lophs proves absolutely nothing about actual density or mass. It does prove that she's neurotic though.

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You still have not given the answer what is the yield of dry stuff and how much is approx dosage of peyote with your tek to get experience?




And she never will. She's too busy feeding her own ego.

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anne halonium said:

if ya wanna guarantee a diseased crop,
do exactly what im doing, cept use dirt.




There are tons of EGers around here with tons and tons of lophs. Literally ALL of the soil grown ones look better than yours. This is a fact.

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anne halonium said:
we use the hydro for a reason.
its the only way we know of , to control a head/ footprint fast crop.




It's the only way you know of because you're the noob.

So far you've insulted taken shots at, purposefully:

-Ferrel_human: one of the most knowledgeable cacti growers I know. Ferrel and I have been friends a long time and he has dedicated countless hours of his time away from work to the study, growing, propagation, and preservation of many plants. He gives advice plain and simple, how he sees it, from his experience.

-Big L: Big L has been around probably longer than Ferrel and I combined and his knowledge speaks for itself. Look up past threads, you can't possibly say he's a noob.

-modern.shaman: has also earned his stripes around here and has tons of very attractive own-root lophs.

-Myself: Those that truly know me, in person, like Ferrel and only a handful of others around here, know that I make my entire living in the plant industry, making medicine for patients that need it.

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No one is insulting your methods Anne. You are the one that keeps choosing to get aggressive, even resulting to name-calling the moment that someone says your lophs look etiolated, etc. THEY ARE ETIOLATED!!! This is a fact!

Like intelligentlife said, you would get a lot further by just simply trying to teach noobs, rather than trying to force your methods on extremely experienced growers that simply like growing in soil, the natural way. The way they've been growing for tens of thousands of years. I don't think you've ever going to get it, and I don't even know why I'm trying. You'll probably just keep trolling around from forum to forum, pissing ppl off with your bad attitude, getting threads locked, etc...


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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: theMallacht]
    #19366456 - 01/04/14 12:03 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

I am not even offended. I am just passive aggressively feeding the troll, to help speed up the process of anne getting banned or just moving on.


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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: Big L]
    #19366507 - 01/04/14 12:24 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

I suppose I should have said "taken shots at" instead of offended. :smile:


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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: Big L]
    #19366594 - 01/04/14 01:20 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Can you grow this kind of lophs annie?

This is grown as grafted to size of 2inch, then later on degrafted and let plant grow own root. It's now ~4inch size peyote. Probably later money for me or I keep it as my own "trophy"


These I have buy'd as they are l. koehresii
4 different seed grown plant so I can pollinate these together or try cross breeding to fricii and graft the koehres x fricii seedlings to pereskiopsis to get fast results. There I see potential with pereskiopsis, but I need mother plants, flowers, pollen, offshoots for cuttings, money..


I can use pollen from these to fricii and try to have hybrid seeds, then use pereskiopsis for them and degraft later on.

However, I have not grown all my plants from seed, but I buy some plants to serve the job of mother plant so I can produce seeds constantly when it's growing season..

What bad you see 'bout buying peyote plants what another people have cultivated?? Maybe they're "mail trophy shit" but nice plants to produce seeds and then grow my own plants..

This is "mail trophy peyote" my mother plant for seed production, sometimes I take offshoots and root them as their own and later on sell the rooted buttons as peyote plants.


Would be fun to see pictures of flowering plants from annie, pereskiopsis grafts are seen constantly. Show some flowers, they're sign plant is happy. is it? :smile:



Water balloon graft.. :smile:


Fricii


Fricii albiflora


I have got lots of seeds from these


Most of plants in the pictures are sold forwards, some are not.

I do some sort of business with "mail trophy cacti" and and sell cuttings, plants, grafts etc to people who want rare lophophora plants and I do profit. Is it bad or not? Who cares if people are happy to obtain rare plants and change them to money. Also seeds are worth of money.

I'm the bastard annie hate, I have mail trophy plants, I sell mail trophy plants with profit.. In my country I can have big profit if I invest my own money to peyote or any kind of lophs. Some another more common cacti are not so expensive but I give them as gift to friends or family.

Lohs and trichs are someway pure business for me and I help people who want rare plants.. But I sell only inside my country.. to my friends, they just want plants, I offer plants for them.

There is two hard grown lohps from my seeds, size is very small for their age. Hard grown lohps are demanded, also they are good plants in there arctic, they always flower at summer, easier than mammillaria, even mammillarias are also easy flowering plants.


Lophs for me are just simply profit € to my pocket.. oldest person who have buy'd "mail trophy peyote" from me are 50year old plant enthusiasts. Why I can't help them and do money? People who buy lohps from me don't know english language, they can't obtain on their own any rare lophs, what I do wrong by selling people what they want.

I have not own nursery but I can sell these what ever price I ask, most want to buy local because there are no nurseries selling lohps nor trichs. They're € for me. Some plants I keep myself, some I don't.. Some people ask grafted peyote, small ones but stock needs to be permanent.. Some want own root cactus, no matter is it degrafted or not, it's money if plant is healthy.

So my hobby is very different to yours, I sell there rare plants to people who understand their value as rare and expensive ornaments.

Annie, if I really show pics from your plants to people who want to buy rare cacti, I'm sure they ask "do you have something more beautiful to sell"

I don't say prices of plants what I can have selling them forwards, but it helps even it's not my main income. Just "hobby" similar to collecting cacti, some plants I keep, produce seeds, grow new from seed for my pleasure, "mother plants" or "mail trophys" I just grow some time and sell forwards or graft and sell or take offshoots and root them and sell them as "small peyote"

..If I sell cutting plants, people who buy them are aware they are not seed grown, and don't care about it. I don't want to behave offensively but annie, what I do wrong in your mind by collecting, selling, grafting and sell grafted plants, depends what people ask. Lophs sell best for collectors and as I said, most people don't manage english so I can help many people because there are not actually any good nursery who sell plants in my native language.:yesnod:


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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19366643 - 01/04/14 01:53 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Annie I have one challenge for you.  Please grow out some of your hydro graphs using the sun, or even CFL.  I still believe your grafts are etiolating under the LED.  I could certainly be wrong, and am not saying my garden doesn't have it's own issues.  Personally it does not look like the "head" of your plant is developing as it should.  Recently I posted pictures in the grafting competition.  My grafts are from seeds, not pups, and appear more developed than what I have seen of yours?  Again, please don't take this as an attack.


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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: anne halonium]
    #19366659 - 01/04/14 02:02 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Don't take this as an attack either, because it's not.  This experiment isn't worth a shit without a control sample though.  Without putting a verified water bloated loph under the same conditions you show in the OP, the entire experiment is invalid.

How do we know a verified water bloated loph wouldn't hold up under those same conditions as the lophs in your experiment?  I sure as hell don't know the answer to that question because I don't grow water bloated lophs.  I suggest finding someone that does so you can do a proper test with your buttons and a verified water bloated button.  Only then will your results begin to have any significance.

The buttons you grow are obviously sturdy, but to make any conclusions beyond that based on the info in your OP is completely misleading.


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I need to stop spending all my money on plants and take up a cheaper hobby, like heroin. :lol:

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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: chums of chance]
    #19366743 - 01/04/14 03:00 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

:threadmonitor:

As I stated in the last thread, before it fell apart..

Please, let us not personalize any discussion.

Keep the focus on the plants/teks/etc.

We are each responsible for our own words.

Responding to insults with insults, will just result in both parties taking a holiday :smile:


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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: SuperD]
    #19366779 - 01/04/14 03:33 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

My observation on the water balloon effect.  There are essentially 3 parts to the cross section of a cacti.  The outer epidermis which is waxy and where photosynthesis takes place.  The middle area is the spongy xylem and it's sole purpose is to store water.  This is why cacti have ribs, so that when they shrink/swell from rain they do not split.  Finally the inner ring is the pith or phloem, these "vascular bundles"  transports vital nutrients throughout the plant also act as the plants "skeleton".  Diffusion of these nutrients from the phloem>xylem>epidermis where its needed is very slow.  Therefore a unique feature of cacti are cortical bundles, which transport the phloem to the epidermis at much greater speed.  These are the light lines you often see if you cut just right.


Some examples to compare to...


"The underside of the harvested crown (left) shows a very narrow (2–3 mm wide) ring of bark at the perimeter of the cut surface, indicating that the cut was barely below the base of the crown, in the uppermost portion of subterranean stem. The cut surfaces match, except that crown parenchyma (left) is slightly greener due to higher chlorophyll content, whereas the subterranean stem parenchyma (right) is more yellowish.

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Peyote harvesting Two young peyote crowns (“pups”) regenerating by lateral branching from the upper edge of the subterranean stem of a plant that was decapitated 7.5 months previously. This plant is the same individual shown in the previous picture. Each of the new crowns is ca. 1.5 cm in diameter."



Yours... all Xylem and no Phloem :shrug:

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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: hookahhead] * 1
    #19366820 - 01/04/14 04:10 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Don't mind me, I'm a humble worm farmer.  So I decided to put my $$ where my cock is... (I regret making this statement it is sexist, stupid, and unnecessary)  Dear Anne, this is how the scientific method works, first you form a hypothesis based on your observations/personal knowledge.  Then you develop a way to test your idea, followed by performing an experiment and making an observations.  Sadly, we can only ever show a hypothesis to be false, but can never state something is entirely true. So I tested my hypothesis darling, and conclude what we have been saying all along... your doing it wrong.

 

Notice the indisputable presence of a pith, along with numerous "squiggles" which are actually cortical bundles.  Additionally you can see that the "chlorophyll" does not penetrate into the xylem, why would it?  Chlorophyll is an essential part of converting light energy into sugar, and we all know that no matter how super duper fantastic your LED's are..light is not penetrating into the center of your cacti.  Knowing that I could probably try to help you until i'm blue in the face, and you still wont "get it", I post this information to educate those who truly want to learn. 

Also, I don't want to encourage you to smash your babies again, but if you decide to.. please use a clear jug so that we may determine the actual amount of liquid inside?  While I'm standing here pissing all over your Cheerios, please quit calling your setup hydroponics.  This is an extreme stretch, your plants sit in stagnant water which contains no MICROnutrients. (I originally posted the wrong word):rasta:

Peyotes are over 7000 years old hun, please show the elders some respect :rolleyes: 

http://repository.tamu.edu/bitstream/handle/1969.1/5023/etd-tamu-2005C-BOTN-Terry.pdf

Oh one last little thing you might not know about me... I actually get paid to conduct real plant research, not just pretend on the webz.  I've won awards for my contributions, my work has been presented, accepted, and published by real Biologists.  Don't ever stop learning.


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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: hookahhead]
    #19366878 - 01/04/14 04:50 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

I agree 100% annie tek isn't proof anything unless you have something to compare..

Make one grow area over windowsill.. Make sure roots doesn't receive any light at all. For all places.

Then same way but do it under LED and third under fluoro, maybe fourth under HPS or MH or both combined..

Use same tek, same ferts, all same, then show data what people can compare to different light source, report light cycles, water change times, everything..

If you push out only one test without anything where you can compare everything, it's worthless.

No matter of test, annie you should know how science works, there are test subjects identical to each others but environment are different.. Go and test over one season, then show data..

As well as with cannabis growing, I don't see from your pics do your pereskiopsis roots receive light but no matter of plants, roots should never receive any light.. Also one compare what you should do, just use same clones but in fertile soil.

When you have show me every possible way to grow with your tek, not only LED.

Make yourself a test and arrange places:
-greenhouse without extra light, only sun
-windowsill without extra light, only sun.
-windowsill with LED
-windowsill with fluoro
-Only LED
-Only fluoro
-LED+fluoro
-HPS
-HPS+MH
-MH
-windowsill with HPS/HM/HPS+MH

also do hydro and soil.

So you need 22 different environment with same specimens, grow 10-20months, collect data, see what is reasonable for money, what tek gives best looking and size scions etc.. Then I can have something where to compare LED tek.

I don't want to start argue about LED tek and the way how it works but c'mon, if you know science and reveal "stunning information" without even few environments and lights and growing medium to compare, this basically doesn't proof anything.

Only you can do this, Only you have same clones to do. Use windowsill test subjects with occasional sun light and ambient light, use windowsill with fluoro tube above, use closed space with LED and another space with fluoro and more, build room where is LED+fluoro.

Show something where to compare before you start introduce the facts around.. IF you have done the test with different environments and light setups, show data what gives best growth etc..

There is more open questions than answers to your arguments annie, if you claim this is 100% truth and best way, where people can compare this? Before you claim everything is best like they are, build different rooms and windowsill places with same clones, wait good time and then see what kind of plants you got, in soil and hydro, under fluoro and LED, if possible try low power high pressure sodium and metal halide lights and probbaly combine the HPS and MH.

There is reason why professional growers all over use HPS and MH light bulbs, LED tek doesn't have yet beat up these old fashion lights.. they have bad side, they generate heat but spectrum with both lights and bulbs designed for plants, just see what kind of different growth you can get, combine lights, use natural light, sun and probably combine sun and artificil lights..

Would be very interesting to see result from different setups before you claim your tek is the best.. And I mean there is shitloads of lighting setups how you can grow your plants.

I have find long time ago from erowid a picture where is peyote with pereskiopsis.. These are afaik grown in greenhouse or similar environment to greenhouse..


These are Lophophora alberto-vojtechii if site information is correct.. These look like "water balloons" but look how authentic these plants looks, perfect specimens to degraft for example if someone want's ornamental loph cuttings. These seems to be plants what purpose is produce seeds for sale maybe.. I don't know much, I just find pics with google and wanted to show.

This is not still same because of specimens isn't identical to yours.

Also there is pic from greenhouse, lophs with pereskiopsis, use sun(if possible) for the sake of nice looking peyote! Then compare it to LED.

I don't have copyrights to these photos, but these can be find from google, just wanted to show the power of sun, no need to use electricity if no need to heat up greenhouse. 100% natural grafting plants at soil. I see clearly these sun grown peyote plants have nice good skin and they fruit&bloom. In other way to say, they're happy scions.

I think you got my point, try to get something to compare with your specimens.. sun, fluoro, led, combined lights, then show results what is best. :thumbup:

Also I have yet not understand, where are you aiming with this tek? amount of dry peyote flesh? appearance of cactus? seed production? Afaik pereskiopsis are used as root stock in one good reason and it's fast seed production..

What is biggest diameter you have got to your lophs? and how about aerole hair? flowering? fruiting? Or do you have peyote specimens what doesn't have much of a hair no matter how strong light they have.

Seriously, test your LED with SUN. or sun only, show something where to compare..:yesnod:

It's ok to do own tek's, say they're good and works, ofc your tek works but where to compare same clones? One environment and light setup doesn't proof much yet.

This rise question to my mind, can I probably grow "adult" scions without no money and electricity at all and have scions ready for flowering and producing seeds.. I have yet not seen annie lophs flower or show signs of "mature" pup.. Ain't that should be the goal when pereskiopsis used, fast seed production and later on fast offspring growth, anyway no matter what they should be "mature" over the time and flower in order to say you have "happy scion" ...it's my opinion.

Because I have just start some small project with lophs and pereskiopsis, I can later on show what I can manage to get with my setup, can I manage to get scion to flowering and produce seeds. I show later what I can do, I don't say I'm best with pereskiopsis and lophs, but I can show my project how they manage to go and grow.. I maybe use also greenhouse at summer for grafted plants, maybe.. however sun will be present when it's starts to show up above horizon.


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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19367155 - 01/04/14 08:00 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Lets dispel some more of your non-sense, this is getting to be kinda fun... Remember you challenged us to make you look like an ass.

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dirt garden weighs 3x, uses 2x electric, double heat, has all its dirt issues, and can only do about 60% capacity of PP5 cups in same a footprint 1.5x!

hydro water, changed about every 10 days.
lights?
LED 5400K and LLE 7500k 150 W combo.
side chip lights for color flavor on lower leaves. 450 nm and 680 nm




1) Your water probably weighs more than my dry dirt... definitely not a 3x margin.
2) My lighting setup is 8x24w 2ft t5, + 1 35w cfl = 227w.  My grow area is 42x24 inches = 7 sq feet thus 32.4w/sq. ft.  I could not find out how much area your 150w LED + supplemental lighting covered...doubt were anywhere close to double
3) The heat is beneficial because my cabinet is in a cold basement, the trapped heat after the light turns off keeps them snug.  They're from the desert, they like heat.
4) Dirt issues?  Like being able to produce my own from household food waste?  Yeah let me tell you how terrible that is.
5) I bet I change my dirt a lot less than you change your water :lol:


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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: hookahhead]
    #19367159 - 01/04/14 08:00 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

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hookahhead said:
Xylem and no Phloem







next?

:themoreyouknow:

your not suggesting they grow by magic and exceed known plant physiology?:lmafo:
you guys are going to have to do better.
XHTTL exists, and they thrive.



its a biomass powerhouse, on a shelf.
sorry guys , clay pots and dirt dont meet my performance needs.


as for " experiments"
pretty obvious your not reading the blog.
theres experiments with all types of lights/ sun, and power levels.
if ya havent seen it , ya should, many have.
you would understand light better fer sure. :thumbup:

bottom line, all my pics, and all my examples i grew myself.
dont need the mail-ex and others web pics,
to prove my hydro cacti graft grow.............


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Re: As George Bernard Shaw once said [Re: anne halonium]
    #19367165 - 01/04/14 08:03 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

I get my fill of daily Anne bs from shroomery, no need to waste my time on your blog too.


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"My worm farm"      "96 Gallon Worm Tote"        "Let Your Freak Flag Fly"    "Respect Your Roots"    "A KNEW IDEA"
           
"Nothing New"    "Willkommen im EthnoGarten"      "Don't Be a Backeberg"      "Mites and Mealy Bugs"      "The Heart and the Sun"

If someone doesn't want your LIGHT, shine it some where else.  Everyday there are people who LOVE, ACCEPT, and LOOK FORWARD to making CONTACT with you.  YOU are capable of GREAT THINGS even if you feel neglected or mistreated in OUR current SPACE.  Change your ways, change our WORLD, there is SAFTEY in NUMBERS.  Welcome to the PRESENT. ~ 144,000 Anonymous Voices

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