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Mangomankw
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grain prep
#19362425 - 01/03/14 08:29 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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I was wondering if it would work to skip the simmer phase of grain prep and go right to PCing? I mean would the PC not "cook" and soften the grain?I know it's not the protocol but was wondering. I do large amounts of wbs/rye and have problems getting them dry. So thought if I skip that part maybe it would work.
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forrest



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the simmerstep completes the hydration and the cooling down/steaming afterwards makes the outside dry. i think it is essential.
i think without simmering you could let them soak for longer, but making the outside dryer probably won't work easy.
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Mangomankw
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Re: grain prep [Re: forrest]
#19362569 - 01/03/14 09:34 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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I have about 20lb soaking now and want to make sure the moisture is right. I've done the tp thing in the past but always get some moisture in the bottom of my jars. Going to use this wbs in 1,5,10 lb bags. Then use the bags to spawn to wheat straw......any thoughts?
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Ganzig
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I go old school now days.
I just put in dry grain into the jars and then the corresponding amount of water and PC. 1 cup grain 3/4 cup water per jar. Takes 3 hours instead of thirty hours.
Yes you must shake them when they are finished but that's not a big deal. The shaking part is sort of specific. Sort of. You will have wetter grains at the bottom of the jar and dryer to the top. You must mix them all together and lay them on their sides to cool. Shake again in 20mins to a half hour. Then they are done. I can start jars early in the day and have them ready to use by the end of the day.
Most use RR's method though.
I used it for a long time as well and found that, as forrest said, the simmer is a necessary part of the process.
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Mangomankw
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Re: grain prep [Re: Ganzig]
#19362705 - 01/03/14 10:17 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Ganzig said: I go old school now days.
I just put in dry grain into the jars and then the corresponding amount of water and PC. 1 cup grain 3/4 cup water per jar. Takes 3 hours instead of thirty hours.
Yes you must shake them when they are finished but that's not a big deal. The shaking part is sort of specific. Sort of. You will have wetter grains at the bottom of the jar and dryer to the top. You must mix them all together and lay them on their sides to cool. Shake again in 20mins to a half hour. Then they are done. I can start jars early in the day and have them ready to use by the end of the day.
Most use RR's method though.
I used it for a long time as well and found that, as forrest said, the simmer is a necessary part of the process.
So don't simmer anymore? Just add grain and water then PC.....sounds faster and easier. Think it would work in 1,5,1o lb bags? Or maybe I should use more jars
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Ganzig
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I do not simmer or soak if it is going into jars.
Bags are a different story.
I cook my grains like rice for bags then PC.
Takes about 4.5-5 hours.
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Re: grain prep [Re: Ganzig]
#19362721 - 01/03/14 10:24 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Ganzig said: I do not simmer or soak if it is going into jars.
Bags are a different story.
I cook my grains like rice for bags then PC.
Takes about 4.5-5 hours.
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Ganzig
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5 hours total with cook and pc.
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drake89
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For aggressive species I do no prep rye bags. rye is the only grain I have found to work this way. 2L organic rye berries plus 1375mL water in a 3T (large bag, 0.3micron filter) bag = 6lbs ish. Four of them in an AA75x for 4-5 hours gives good results. The grains on the bottom of the bags are more hydrated than those on top, but they get mixed up so it works out in the end. I use liquid inoculation - 2 petri dishes in 8oz water - blended - 2oz in each bag. Colonization, roughly 4 days for reishi, 2 months for shiitake. Around a week for most oysters and enoki. Lion's mane doesn't play well with this method. I don't reckon maitake does either.
Edited by drake89 (01/03/14 10:26 AM)
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