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Ezthegro
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A couple ridiculous questions... *DELETED*
#19361784 - 01/03/14 01:49 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Joust
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Re: A couple ridiculous questions... [Re: Ezthegro]
#19362030 - 01/03/14 03:36 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Your thought is somewhat right, depends on what you do, if you took a sterile depleted cake, and put it in a like a quart jar with some sort of sterile nutriant solution, it might intake a little, but it will likely just start growing on any nutriant solution you give it, like an LC.
That being siad.. i dont think you could get it to work at all. I know people get many flushes though...
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Re: A couple ridiculous questions... [Re: Joust]
#19362048 - 01/03/14 04:00 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Once the cakes go from colonizing to fruiting, they generally don't go back into colonizing. They focus on turning the energy from the nutrients in the cake into their reproductive material. If you have ever noticed, cakes shrink in size after each flush. Multiple flushes comes from dialing in proper hydration.
But, hell, try it!!
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Ezthegro
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Re: A couple ridiculous questions... [Re: MarcusFreeman]
#19363726 - 01/03/14 02:45 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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My idea was to mimic the natural cycle that mycelium goes through in the wild. Where I live, after a good rain during summer months, mushrooms sprout up all over the place on lawns and park grass. After a year, mushroooms will grow in the exact same spot as well as new areas due to the local rabbit population. Now I know the spread of spores makes this possible, but is it also possible that the previous mycelium goes through a "hibernation" and reawakens when favorable circumstances present themselves once more?
If so, could I apply that onion layer technique I stated above and maybe cold shock it into hibernation for a period of time and bring it out and give it a heat shock followed with hydration??
Maybe one could do this on a cake whose last harvest dropped spores all the cake itself thus giving a chance for the spores to germinate and start the process anew just as they do in the wild??
I have yet to see a tek that utilizes the natural cycle of death and rebirth from spore droppings to bring about more fruiting such that is witnessed in the wild.
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cronicr



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Re: A couple ridiculous questions... [Re: Ezthegro]
#19363785 - 01/03/14 03:01 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Quote:
Ezthegro said:
I have yet to see a tek that utilizes the natural cycle of death and rebirth from spore droppings to bring about more fruiting such that is witnessed in the wild.
thats because in the wild spores can sit dormant for years waiting on ideal conditions, you can't just keep feeding mycelium nutrients after you fruited it, it gets weak as time goes on and contams will set in much easier, even spent cakes outdoors only pop a couple fruits up, we strive to do better then outdoors provides not replicate it
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MarcusFreeman



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Re: A couple ridiculous questions... [Re: Ezthegro]
#19363809 - 01/03/14 03:06 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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I think you should try it. We don't learn new things without trying new things.
You may have some naysayers- The extra work involved will likely not produce "first or second flush" results. Therefore not worth it to some. By the time you go thrugh hibernation and adding the additional layer, you could have new cakes colonized and ready to go.
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1down5up
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Re: A couple ridiculous questions... [Re: cronicr]
#19363829 - 01/03/14 03:11 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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there is only one tek that utilizes the natural cycle, and mother nature will never let us have it.
No one will ever develop a tek like that because we can't supply the amount of food and time required to replicate the natural cycle. I guess if you had an entire greenhouse devoted to it, you might be able to pull it off year after year, using decaying matter to re-fuel yearly flushes, but you'll never dial it in like 'Ma.
Give it a hook bro
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Ezthegro
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Re: A couple ridiculous questions... [Re: 1down5up]
#19364040 - 01/03/14 03:56 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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I think I will give it a hook. I'm currently in the midst of my first grow. I have a log of it somewhere if you guys want to check it out. It's a pf classic amazonian and KSSS.
I have yet to update it as of late though as the jars are still colonizing and I don't see the point in reporting back that my jars have went from 24% to 64.34% to 99.34% every few days. I'm waiting until birthing. I will say though that the KSSS is an extremely fast colonizer but I think the fact that ALL of the spores had grouped together to form globs of mycelium in the spore syringe may have helped the process along. The PF is on its 5th day post inoculation and I have yet to see any speck of growth.
Anyways, once the cakes have flushed their limit, I think I will try that out. I'm also thinking of collecting spores from my harvest and filling up a squirt gun and spraying the local lawns and park grass and see what happens. I think it would be pretty cool to introduce some cubes to the area. The local mushrooms, whatever they may be, really flourish in their "on" season and blanket just about everything.
Also! I haven't gotten any responses to my first question concerning the vermiculite! Anyone got anything for me on that??
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Re: A couple ridiculous questions... [Re: Ezthegro]
#19364055 - 01/03/14 04:00 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Keep us posted man...would love to see how it turns out
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Ezthegro
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Re: A couple ridiculous questions... [Re: 1down5up]
#19364139 - 01/03/14 04:19 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Here's a link to my log.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19352391
I will test out my hypotheses on a few of the spent cakes.
Also I have been having trouble finding information on how to crumble and case fresh birthed cakes as well as spent cakes. I was also wondering if one could use whole grain brown rice(not flour but if it's an option I will use it) and verm as a casing substrate instead of the peat and cocoa fiber that I usually see.
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cronicr



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Re: A couple ridiculous questions... [Re: Ezthegro]
#19364374 - 01/03/14 05:01 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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yes you can use whole brown rice, use a cheese grter to break up your cakes to maximize inoculation points and follow any pasturizing tek on here, and yes you can just use verm for a casing but a 50/50 mix of peat and verm will out perform a verm only casing, note how i mention the pasturizing because crumbling cakes just to case them is pretty pointless
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