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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: Webster10]
    #19352885 - 12/31/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That's not what he's saying. If you read the thread you'd see what personal experience he's talking about right here for ya brah  The only assumptions made is that the L I was eating in the 90s came from Pickard - which as you can see I've strong reasons for that assumption if you actually read the thread and digest information instead of trying to push it away. you are apparently the stubborn mule.

I've given you a scientific explanation of why this whole thread is bullshit and all you can point to is some pseudoscience from a drug dealer who stopped posting seven years before you even registered.

Then you pull the old prohibitionist spiel that there's no research done on LSD - bro there's more on LSD in the academic journal than alprazolam. That's the same line of thinking that says marijuana is unresearched.

Finally you confirm your stubbornness by resorting to insults calling me dumb.

The fact is there's only so many ways LSD can be made and each and every way requires cleanliness, attention to detail, and most of all purity. there's not too many reactions that can occur without completely destroying the LSD. Clandestine or pharma - it doesn't matter because it's not like baking a cake despite what anyone might have told you.

I'm no king of L who makes it but neither is ChinaCat. I bought L off guys who were in the shoes he claims - that was what I did for a living at that point in time.. I was only making $1000 a month living in Thailand teaching English. so I used that job to save money and made money selling L. I saw more than most people but that's not even shit worth talking about. my wife doesnt even know what I did then and it shouldn't even be part of the argument since this is a chemistry discussion.

I quit all that in '01 and never looked back because at least from what I saw, this whole 'family' thing was a gimmick. these guys weren't holy saints.. the guys I bought L off never were thumbprinted to get crystal either, they just had money to buy it from selling other drugs and knew the right guys from selling other drugs. they're just a drug dealing group like any other.

I knew Bongo Boy before all the shit went down, I've seen a few ppl mention him on this forum as if he was the king of L or something.well it's true he always said he was 'family' but if the L came from Pickard (guarantee ya it did) then according to whatshisname he aint family, if he is family in a drug dealing sense I guess to me he woulda been like that rich asshole older brother. I'd be surprised if he's still in the US..


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: D.M.T]
    #19353139 - 12/31/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

In my opinion you didn't substantiate your position. You're simply emphasizing your knowledge of chemistry and making it sound like you have a full understanding of the topic, but if you really look into it, you're not substantiating what you're saying. You're saying that just because a crystal has color, doesn't mean it harbors active impurities. It's hard to establish whether chinacat thought the lower grades were experientially inferior. Take a look:

"light greyish crystal. Was an unbelievable amount of this around in the late eighty`s and early nineties. Very good stuff."

"One batch called quadricept amber was the color of light honey and was very good"

And yet at the same time he simply says that needlepoint was "The best of the best."

Source: chinacat72 - LSD-Crystal to Blotter (2/7/03)

Once again, purity does not necessarily mean better, as you have stated; the impurities could be trivial. Dried mushrooms are far from pure in terms of psilocybin, but that doesn't mean that there's any major benefit to isolated psilocybin. The last time I did mushrooms I didn't experience any nausea. If chinacat was asked to specify if there was an experiential difference between some of the different grades, I don't know what he would say. But chinacat specifically says that champagne, in particular, produces adverse effects -- not in the 'LSD-Crystal to Blotter' thread, but in another thread:

The one time I worked with champagne crystal I felt like I was poisoned. It was black nasty shit and I only ate a tiny speck not a thumbprint.
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If straight ergot is being used as the starting material, it's possible for ergoline alkaloids other than the desired one to be introduced into the synthesis. And even if pharmaceutically pure ergotamine or ergocristine (or whatever they choose to use) is the starting material, it might be possible for some type of non-LSD variation to wind up in the end product. But when I say what I'm saying I'm just guessing. This can include one or several minor chemical variants of LSD that have simply never been identified as a result of the fact that it would be extremely expensive to do an analysis detailed enough. The fact of the matter is that people have reported LSD feeling dirty and LSD should never feel dirty unless the user has physical complications. Different, yes. Dirty? No.

The only thing you've provided as evidence is the fact that you've always had clean LSD and that you've read DEA microgram. That's not very good evidence, if you ask me. And you keep hinting that so much research has been done on LSD. You recently said that LSD is even more well-researched than alprazolam. But you haven't posted a single citation of a chemical analysis of street acid (how do we even know that champagne has ever been analyzed and reported? Most LSD is clean. But we need to leave open the possibility that champagne LSD exists).


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: s240779]
    #19353253 - 12/31/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I agree that champagne crystal probably hasn't been researched much, if at all.
This thread is pretty off-topic from the OP. He didn't say he plans on taking multi mg doses, so the difference at that level is totally irrelevant.
He just wants to know if its worse for you in the long term.
Idk the answer scientifically, but I stand by my original response that it probably won't, it'll just be less potent, and maybe give a lesser experience.


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: D.M.T]
    #19353667 - 01/01/14 04:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

DMT, with your and lucid toast's logic I could just say, "You're a bored 17 year old and just a retired drug dealer". You say there isn't much room for error or impuriry using any synthesis method yet you say all the crystal you tested was 68% pure. Which one is it :facepalm3:. You call me a stubborn mule and then sat that I'm stubborn because I insulted you :facepalm3:. You seem to have a general understanding of the chemistry behind LSD production but you seem to discredit any spiritual aspect of LSD; saying the "family" is nothing more than greedy drug dealers. Could I ask you how much you purchased a gram of crystal for? Did the "family" charge you an overly excessive amount? Didn't think so. I will again state that ChinaCat72 talks from experience of taking a multi milligram dose of pure crystal and impure crystal and says there was a noticeable difference in body load. Someone could learn EVERYTHING there is to know about how LSD reacts with your brain but until one took it themself, a caveman who HAS taken LSD would be able to more accurately describe an LSD experience. So saying Chinacat72 is unreliable because he is a drug dealer is a rediculous claim that is clearly false. Again, why would Chinacat lie? What would he gain from this? What is the largest dose of champagne you've ever taken?


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: s240779]
    #19359629 - 01/02/14 04:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Look at this:


At burning man he knowingly gave away a really bad batch of LSD; you know the muddy black stuff. It caused several people to go into convulsions.

Krystle Cole speaking about Todd Skinner. Interviewed by James Kent.


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: Lucid Toast]
    #19359751 - 01/02/14 05:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Lucid Toast said:
Name of the thread says it ~can dirty black lsd crystal do damage?

Please guys I don't want to turn into a glass of orange juice :grin:

Thanks in Advanced guys!



I can't see why it would be had for you. Assuming you did take 3000UG of it and it was 100% impurities thats still only 3mg of contaminants, roughly 2 cafergot headache pills worth of ergot impurities. Even that would be entirely harmless and it might take away your headache if you had one too. I think its just common for people to exagerate any ill feeling they have when they trip, or focus exclusivly on it until they become obcessed with it. So yes, even the worst black crystal that was entirely effectless could do you no harm, and might even fix your headache.


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: s240779]
    #19360403 - 01/02/14 07:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There's currently someone posting on Reddit who claims to have made LSD in his university lab. Thanks to StoryTeller for posting this on The Shroomery (http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19357617). This individual addresses bad acid:


Only ~30% of the the crude product is LSD, the rest are these inactive isomers and some side reaction products as well. These impurities are only inactive in the brain, they have many effects on the body that contribute to the "body load" or "roughness" of the trip. I am certain that "bad acid" is unpurified crude product, containing a mixture of the aforementioned molecules and LSD. Acid needs to be purified via chromatography twice, once on silica to remove the side reaction products and leftover reactants, and a second time using a chiral substrate to separate the active isomers from the inactive ones. Large, professional labs could easily accomplish this, but smaller, less professional labs might forgo this and create what you call "bad acid".


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: s240779]
    #19361299 - 01/02/14 11:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hmmph!


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: Lucid Toast] * 1
    #19361383 - 01/02/14 11:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah...I haven't seen any scientific evidence posted by you in this thread, DM.  I think you know less than you believe on this topic and would do well to listen and reflect. :picard:


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