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itinkitook2much
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will this work ?
#19361204 - 01/02/14 10:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Will a SGFC work fine for casings? I've read much debate on monotub over SGFC but I think I'm going to go with the SGFC
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I would go with the mono but that's just my opinion.
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Re: will this work ? [Re: MudaFuka]
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Depends on the size of the tray relative to the size of the SGFC. You don't want the trays to be too large in there or else they will restrict the airflow upwards which will prevent the RH from getting high enough. For small trays and bulk blocks they work fine. Be sure to elevate them with some jar rings or small jars off the perlite to keep the upward airflow moving.
That being said, even for small subs I prefer a small mono to a SGFC unless its a species that's picky about higher CO2 like pans or p mex. 20-30 quart monos are a great way to do a small to medium size sub and still have the set and forget that a mono provides.
BTW if you are spawning to bulk, its a bulk substrate. If you are casing straight grains, its cased grains. Nobody uses the term "casings" to refer to a bulk sub or a cased grain tray.
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Pastywhyte said: Depends on the size of the tray relative to the size of the SGFC. You don't want the trays to be too large in there or else they will restrict the airflow upwards which will prevent the RH from getting high enough. For small trays and bulk blocks they work fine. Be sure to elevate them with some jar rings or small jars off the perlite to keep the upward airflow moving.
That being said, even for small subs I prefer a small mono to a SGFC unless its a species that's picky about higher CO2 like pans or p mex. 20-30 quart monos are a great way to do a small to medium size sub and still have the set and forget that a mono provides.
BTW if you are spawning to bulk, its a bulk substrate. If you are casing straight grains, its cased grains. Nobody uses the term "casings" to refer to a bulk sub or a cased grain tray.
I was gonna say... are you really 'casing' some trays to be fruited in a shotgun chamber or are you spawning to a bulk substrate in a tray in a shotgun chamber? Either way, there are people who love spawning to bulk trays in a shotgun.
I would also pick mono but that's just me. After you've done one monotub you never really feel like doing anything else but if you do an SGFC i'm sure you'll be fine and have almost equal results for the same amount of spawn / substrate ratios.
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Pastywhyte said: Depends on the size of the tray relative to the size of the SGFC. You don't want the trays to be too large in there or else they will restrict the airflow upwards which will prevent the RH from getting high enough. For small trays and bulk blocks they work fine. Be sure to elevate them with some jar rings or small jars off the perlite to keep the upward airflow moving.
That being said, even for small subs I prefer a small mono to a SGFC unless its a species that's picky about higher CO2 like pans or p mex. 20-30 quart monos are a great way to do a small to medium size sub and still have the set and forget that a mono provides.
BTW if you are spawning to bulk, its a bulk substrate. If you are casing straight grains, its cased grains. Nobody uses the term "casings" to refer to a bulk sub or a cased grain tray.
P. Cubensis; GT, Zstrain.. Using BRF so I guess it's a cased grain tray I will try to find out how a monotub works, thanks guys
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After you've done one monotub you never really feel like doing anything else
I already read this many times, I will be reading a lot more on the monotub.. Gave it a try but I can't find any clear tuts on how to make em.. or I'm just too high not trying hard enough thanks man
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Cubes will do fine in either environment. Spawning to coir and verm is as easy as pie and will give you some nice results. Just pasteurize up some coir and verm hydrated to field capacity at about a 70-30 ratio and mix in your crumbled or grated cakes. Let it colonize and fruit 
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itinkitook2much said: I already read this many times, I will be reading a lot more on the monotub.. Gave it a try but I can't find any clear tuts on how to make em.. or I'm just too high not trying hard enough thanks man
Probably because a monotub is too damn easy to make Do some searches but its really just a tub with some 1-2 inch holes in it. Have some on the bottom with tight polyfil stuffed in the holes and loose polyfil in the top holes.
mini 20 quart mono

A bunch of diferent monos and some SGFC's

Minimono hybrid

66 quart mono

Trays in SGFC
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itinkitook2much said:
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After you've done one monotub you never really feel like doing anything else
I already read this many times, I will be reading a lot more on the monotub.. Gave it a try but I can't find any clear tuts on how to make em.. or I'm just too high not trying hard enough thanks man
This is a serious problem with bulk grows. Allow us to guide you....
First, how TL makes his lids (you can use my lid tek too but I like to give credit where credit is due, it's really his lid tek with some simple mods) https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14186384#14186384
Franks wild bird seed prep: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17252080#17252080
After your grain jars colonize you move on to this:
How frank prepares coir: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17325780#17325780
You can pasteurize properly like this: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17246844#17246844
or you can get by with damien 5050's tek for coir pasteurization. I've used this 3 times without failure. It really does work. Proper pasteurization is just one step better. http://www.shroomery.org/10858/How-to-do-Coir
Note: Most of us use clear containers for monotubs now. Finally, spawn to the monotub and make sure the monotub is dialed in like a boss: (this has a bit of over-lap with the bucket tek) http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17447797#17447797 ;
Boss: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777#17332777
You've got a lot of reading to do my friend. While reading all of those links I also suggest Stromrider's start to finish bulk tek because it includes everything on one page so you can kinda visually see the order everything comes in. Think of it as a well fleshed out outline. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18910493
Edited by elasticaltiger (01/03/14 01:04 AM)
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itinkitook2much
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elasticaltiger said:
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itinkitook2much said:
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After you've done one monotub you never really feel like doing anything else
I already read this many times, I will be reading a lot more on the monotub.. Gave it a try but I can't find any clear tuts on how to make em.. or I'm just too high not trying hard enough thanks man
This is a serious problem with bulk grows. Allow us to guide you....
First, how TL makes his lids (you can use my lid tek too but I like to give credit where credit is due, it's really his lid tek with some simple mods) https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14186384
Franks wild bird seed prep: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17252080#17252080
After your grain jars colonize you move on to this:
How frank prepares coir: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17325780#17325780
You can pasteurize properly like this: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17246844#17246844
or you can get by with damien 5050's tek for coir pasteurization. I've used this 3 times without failure. It really does work. Proper pasteurization is just one step better. http://www.shroomery.org/10858/How-to-do-Coir
Note: Most of us use clear containers for monotubs now. Finally, spawn to the monotub and make sure the monotub is dialed in like a boss: (this has a bit of over-lap with the bucket tek) https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17447797#17447797
Boss: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777#17332777
You've got a lot of reading to do my friend. While reading all of those links I also suggest Stromrider's start to finish bulk tek because it includes everything on one page so you can kinda visually see the order everything comes in. Think of it as a well fleshed out outline. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18910493
thks man
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Pastywhyte said: Cubes will do fine in either environment. Spawning to coir and verm is as easy as pie and will give you some nice results. Just pasteurize up some coir and verm hydrated to field capacity at about a 70-30 ratio and mix in your crumbled or grated cakes. Let it colonize and fruit 
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itinkitook2much said: I already read this many times, I will be reading a lot more on the monotub.. Gave it a try but I can't find any clear tuts on how to make em.. or I'm just too high not trying hard enough thanks man
Probably because a monotub is too damn easy to make Do some searches but its really just a tub with some 1-2 inch holes in it. Have some on the bottom with tight polyfil stuffed in the holes and loose polyfil in the top holes.
mini 20 quart mono

A bunch of diferent monos and some SGFC's

Minimono hybrid

66 quart mono

Trays in SGFC

Yeah but in your pictures you got some monotubs with 2 big holes and some with like 6 big holes, what's the difference? Is it because some strains prefer higher humidity levels than others???
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itinkitook2much said:
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Pastywhyte said: Cubes will do fine in either environment. Spawning to coir and verm is as easy as pie and will give you some nice results. Just pasteurize up some coir and verm hydrated to field capacity at about a 70-30 ratio and mix in your crumbled or grated cakes. Let it colonize and fruit 
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itinkitook2much said: I already read this many times, I will be reading a lot more on the monotub.. Gave it a try but I can't find any clear tuts on how to make em.. or I'm just too high not trying hard enough thanks man
Probably because a monotub is too damn easy to make Do some searches but its really just a tub with some 1-2 inch holes in it. Have some on the bottom with tight polyfil stuffed in the holes and loose polyfil in the top holes.
mini 20 quart mono

A bunch of diferent monos and some SGFC's

Minimono hybrid

66 quart mono

Trays in SGFC

Yeah but in your pictures you got some monotubs with 2 big holes and some with like 6 big holes, what's the difference? Is it because some strains prefer higher humidity levels than others???
I know this is really hard to ignore... but ignore it... keep your monotub the way frank or TL does. This picture is just many variations on the same theme. They are all accomplishing the exact same results through slightly different methods. Please don't think about it too hard. Just look at those links I gave you and search for your answers. If you follow those threads all the way through most of your questions will be answered. Pasty's multiple pictures only illustrate that there are many paths to the top of the mountain, but from the peak we all see the same moon.
-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
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itinkitook2much
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elasticaltiger said:
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itinkitook2much said:
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Pastywhyte said: Cubes will do fine in either environment. Spawning to coir and verm is as easy as pie and will give you some nice results. Just pasteurize up some coir and verm hydrated to field capacity at about a 70-30 ratio and mix in your crumbled or grated cakes. Let it colonize and fruit 
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itinkitook2much said: I already read this many times, I will be reading a lot more on the monotub.. Gave it a try but I can't find any clear tuts on how to make em.. or I'm just too high not trying hard enough thanks man
Probably because a monotub is too damn easy to make Do some searches but its really just a tub with some 1-2 inch holes in it. Have some on the bottom with tight polyfil stuffed in the holes and loose polyfil in the top holes.
mini 20 quart mono

A bunch of diferent monos and some SGFC's

Minimono hybrid

66 quart mono

Trays in SGFC

Yeah but in your pictures you got some monotubs with 2 big holes and some with like 6 big holes, what's the difference? Is it because some strains prefer higher humidity levels than others???
I know this is really hard to ignore... but ignore it... keep your monotub the way frank or TL does. This picture is just many variations on the same theme. They are all accomplishing the exact same results through slightly different methods. Please don't think about it too hard. Just look at those links I gave you and search for your answers. If you follow those threads all the way through most of your questions will be answered. Pasty's multiple pictures only illustrate that there are many paths to the top of the mountain, but from the peak we all see the same moon.
awesome, thank you
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itinkitook2much said:
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After you've done one monotub you never really feel like doing anything else
I already read this many times, I will be reading a lot more on the monotub.. Gave it a try but I can't find any clear tuts on how to make em.. or I'm just too high not trying hard enough thanks man
First, how TL makes his lids (you can use my lid tek too but I like to give credit where credit is due, it's really his lid tek with some simple mods) https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14186384
This link doesn't work
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Those ones with the two holes actually have four. Two on the bottom of the long sides two on the tops (or a series of 1/4" holes on the tops). They are small 20 quart tubs which is why they don't need as many holes. The point was to show that there are many configurations that will work. Need to get your poly dialed in well and if you need a fan for fae then be sure to run one. If you have a series of quarter inch holes or are doing mini shotgun mono hybrids you will need to case even if its just with verm.
Like elastic said it's just to illustrate that there are many ways to do this, they will all work. My intention was to get you to not over think this. Like he said the way frank or TL do their tubs will also work fine. Shit I have seen people get results with no holes, though I wouldn't recommend that.
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Sorry I'm trying to post pics from my phone and its a pain in the ass but anyway there's you some pics of a 66qt Sterilite tub drilled and ready to go.
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Shit, because of my supporter account all of my links are in HTTPS, take out the 'S' to make the link work, sorry.
And just one more example to confuse you. 
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19058333#19058333
This is a monotub with a fish tank pump piping fresh air in from two sides.
All mushrooms need the same thing to fruit:
Full colonization of the substrate is most important, Constant exchange of fresh air, High (99%) humidity, Evaporation of moisture off the substrate, Temperatures between 65 - 86 F and light on a rough cycle of 12 / 12 (different cycles will also work, 16 / 8, 20 / 4, as long as the mushrooms can keep a rhythm) in the 6500K spectrum.
All of those chambers accomplish these things through slightly different methods.
-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
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I edited the links in my original post. Please try again.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14186384#14186384
that was the first link to the lid tek. Is it working now?
-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
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Stromrider said: Sorry I'm trying to post pics from my phone and its a pain in the ass but anyway there's you some pics of a 66qt Sterilite tub drilled and ready to go.
Lol shroomery addict!
-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
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elasticaltiger said: I edited the links in my original post. Please try again.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14186384#14186384
that was the first link to the lid tek. Is it working now?
yea:) thks
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