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Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca
#19360461 - 01/02/14 07:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Extract one's Harmalas and load up a dose into a single capsule or use Rue seed capsules. Do the egg white tannin removal on Acacia root bark, Mimosa root bark, or Chaliponga leaves for a tasteless clear tea. And use one single gram of Lemon Balm to make a tea for the stomach issues. Take the Harmala capsule or Syrian Rue seeds, and drink your Lemon Balm and Acacia/Mimosa/Chaliponga tea, and enjoy!
Egg white tannin removal uses 2 egg whites for 50 grams worth of DMT-containing plant matter, or 3 egg whites for 100 grams worth. Basically, do a few boils of some root bark or leaves, and before reducing, add in the egg whites and boil/reduce the liquid down to a manageable size and filter. Put the filtered brew in the freezer overnight and thaw the next day. Once thawed, the sediment that remains will fall to the bottom, one can pour off the good tea until the sediment tries pouring out. Allow the remaining tea/sediment to settle and then pour again, one can also use cotton balls in a coffee filter to can some of the sediment when getting to the last little bit of liquid. Once all the clean tea is collected, simply store it in the fridge and use as needed, or store it back in the freezer although some more sediment might drop out if re-frozen. This tea is tasteless, as long as you don't acidify the brew, if you acidify it, it WILL have a taste and more of a smell, but the taste isn't horrible and can be drank pretty easily.
The extracted Harmalas or Rue extract can be achieved by doing a few boils on whole Syrian Rue seed, filtering each boil as it's easier to filter compared to filtering one big brew without filtering each boil, and reduce/boil the brew down to a manageable size and filter once more. Then, take 10 grams of Sodium Carbonate (baking soda heated in the oven at 400 degrees for an hour) per 400mls of brew (so 20 grams for 800mls of brew) and mix it in to the still warm brew so that it get's dissolved. The alkaloids should precipitate out right away, and once the alkaloids are settled, you can then filter them out in a coffee filter. Purify these a few more times by redissolving in acidic water (Vinegar or Citric Acid) and re-base with Sodium Carbonate and filter. If you wish to separate them from the other alkaloids, preform a manske. And once you have your Harmalas, you can then measure out your dose and load it up into one or two capsules (if using purified and mansked Harmalas, one capsule is suffice for 200mgs to 250mgs). Or you can simply fill up 6 capsules or so with some ground up Rue seed and take them as is.
The one gram of Lemon Balm is made into a tea by steeping it for 15 to 25 minutes in hot water with a cover over the cup to prevent the escape of "volatile oils".
You simply mix your Acacia/Mimosa/Chaliponga tea dose, in with your Lemon Balm tea, and take the Harmala capsule or Syrian Rue seed capsules and drink the tea either immediately after taking the capsule or wait 15 to 30 minutes. Personally i've noticed that if you drink the Lemon Balm tea immediately after the Harmalas or 5 to 10 minutes after the Harmalas, there's absolutely no stomach issues for me. If i wait 30 minutes after taking the Harmalas to drink the Lemon Balm, then i do have a mild stomachy feeling for about 15 minutes but that easily goes away with a few puffs of Cannabis.
The result, atleast for me, has been a nausea and purge free experience every time, with no stomach issues and it's easy to ingest.
Have fun
Edited by Sabnock (01/02/14 08:51 PM)
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
#19360501 - 01/02/14 08:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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TY!
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Sabnock
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: lot_justice]
#19360518 - 01/02/14 08:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You're welcome 
Also, i hear Ginger is good for stomach troubles too, and even though the Lemon Balm does perfectly fine on it's own, i do one day want to try adding in a gram of fresh Ginger root into my Lemon Balm/Acacia tea.
I also one day want to try some Passion Flower and other herbs just to see how they interact with the Ayahuasca and if they change the experience.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
#19360766 - 01/02/14 09:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the recipe! Lemon balm tea is yummy! I think it's very slightly psychoactive to about the same and in the same way as chamomile (calming without affecting clear headedness). It grows like a weed hear in the Pacific Northwest. It can easily take over a garden.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: kapowsin]
#19360989 - 01/02/14 10:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yup, indeed it is yummy. And what's cool about this is that since the egg white thing makes the resulting Acacia or Mimosa or even Chaliponga tea practically tasteless, it's like one is just drinking Lemon Balm tea so it's VERY easy to get down 
In fact, this may sound odd, but i've noticed ever since i've started using Lemon Balm with my Ayahuasca, it's been more visual and plus a little calmer too
I hope to one day establish a garden of Lemon Balm as i hear it's incredibly easy to grow and i also wanna try growing other plants like Passion Flower and one day see how that affects an Ayahuasca brew. Right now i'm growing 3 Mimosa Hostilis and 2 Mimosa Ophthalmocentra trees which i'm gonna plant in the ground come spring time. I also plan to in the next few years plant some Acacia Confusa, Acacia Simplex, and some Acacia Acuminata. Even wanna try growing my own Syrian Rue or Caapi vine. And in 10, 15 years from now, i'll be REALLY happy 
I also one day wanna try adding in some Nigella Sativa seeds, maybe in capsules or even a tea if it doesn't taste bad, because it's said at 2.5 grams or so the seed can inhibit CYP enzymes 2D6 and 3A4, which i believe would slow down the metabolization of the Harmalas and hence the DMT. The way i'm thinking, the Nigella Sativa seed could perhaps lengthen the Ayahuasca experience, or possibly reduce the amount of Harmalas needed due to increased bio-availability.
Edited by Sabnock (01/02/14 10:09 PM)
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
#19361009 - 01/02/14 10:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've heard the nausea also has to do with DMT's affinity to the 5 HT3 receptor
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Agentchewy]
#19361047 - 01/02/14 10:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah i've heard that too, but me personally DMT's never really made me nauseous when it's smoked or taken orally with Moclobemide, and it's only when the Harmalas are involved that i get nauseous. The Harmalas themselves in a high enough dose will cause the nausea and purge, but so far the Lemon Balm seems to have the stomach issues pretty much dealt with. Though Ginger root contains a compound that is a 5-HT3 antagonist so it certainly wouldn't hurt to add a gram of Ginger with your gram of Lemon Balm Plus the Ginger is also said to provide a warmness to the body, which i think might be good to counteract the chills/shivers that the Harmalas and even DMT can indue.
Edited by Sabnock (01/02/14 10:29 PM)
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
#19361104 - 01/02/14 10:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quick question on the egg white- how do you get the yolk out of the egg before adding the white to the mix? (dunno how to cook lol)
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: lot_justice]
#19361205 - 01/02/14 10:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You crack the egg and pull the shell into 2 parts (be careful, don't spill anything out) and carefully rock the yolk back and forth from one part of the shell to the other, while allowing the egg whites to drip down into a bowl. Then you simply pour in the egg whites and bring the brew up to a boil. Also it's best to have a minimally warm or room temp brew when you add the egg whites as too much heat will cause the egg whites to instantly coagulate thus being ineffective.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
#19361234 - 01/02/14 11:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alright, so update. Tonight i took 250mgs of just Harmalas, whereas before i was using 200mgs of Harmalas, and i washed it down with a gram of Lemon Balm tea. Now, did i purge? Yeah, but it wasn't really nausea related. Things were going fine until i felt a sudden amp up in the Harmala effects, and my mouth was a tad bit dry so i took a sip of some sweet tea, and a couple minutes later i felt a pressure building in my gut, and while no nausea was there, i felt that maybe i should go purge, and so i did.
So what does that tell me? It says to me, either go back down on the Harmala dose, maybe 215-225mgs at most but 250mgs seems plenty strong Harmala wise. Also it tells me that if i were to use higher Harmala doses, that i would def. add in a gram of Ginger, maybe even put the Lemon Balm at 2 grams, but i think the Ginger would certainly help out with that.
Overall, right now i'm Harmala heavy, body feels weird but i'm functional. 250mgs for me seems to be pretty darn strong, though i don't have any blurry vision but man my body feels weird.
But i must say it's weird how the purge came without nausea... The Lemon Balm really does kick ass when it comes to stopping that nausea. The purge was like, i felt a pressure in my stomach, and i had to purge. Then the multiple purges happened, not like the gut contractions that happens without the Lemon Balm, but more like i just felt i needed to go throw up and so i did. And plus the Harmalas are a tad bit strong so the building effects also contributed to my thought to purge, lol. But like i said, ZERO nausea, and i can distinguish nausea, from a "pressure building up in my stomach".
And one more thing i wanna note, is that the purging i experienced was actually not that bad. I mean, yeah, i don't like vomiting of course but it came up and out pretty easily and other than the taste of my stomach acid causing me to wrench a couple more times, that's really all there was to the purge. So, ZERO nausea, and easy purge, still better than nausea and a purge.
Edited by Sabnock (01/02/14 11:53 PM)
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: lot_justice]
#19362387 - 01/03/14 08:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks Sabnock...very interesting
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lot_justice said: Quick question on the egg white- how do you get the yolk out of the egg before adding the white to the mix? (dunno how to cook lol)
quick easy way
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Simple-Psyman]
#19362408 - 01/03/14 08:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I personally find the purge a very therapeutic part of the experience. Don't know why you would want to eliminate it, but to each their own
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#19362501 - 01/03/14 09:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ive never tried aya or pharmahuasca etc...only smoked dmt.
I think i would welcome the purge as well...at least certainly the first time(or few) that i plan to take it,i will do so with as little tinkering to get the full experience!!!
I would feel the same for mescaline/cactus prep!!!
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#19362505 - 01/03/14 09:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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JacksonMetaller said: I personally find the purge a very therapeutic part of the experience. Don't know why you would want to eliminate it, but to each their own
cause hes eliminating all the important good things that make ayahuasca work. Not for me either but maybe these kids learn it some day 
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it's easy to ingest.
CAUSE ITS NOT AYAHUASCA
Edited by rikuni (01/03/14 09:06 AM)
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: rikuni]
#19362622 - 01/03/14 09:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So just to be clear, you put the egg whites in the tea as it's boiling and they harden, taking the nasty stuff with them?
What would happen if you boiled down the clear tea? Would you get an extract with DMT in salt form? I know you can't smoke that but if you could cap that then that's a pretty awesome method.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: rikuni]
#19362630 - 01/03/14 09:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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A few words on the purge:
I tend to be a bit of a nut when it comes to spirit plants. The first time I did an aya (actually pharama) brew, besides a slight stomach discomfort and a quick flushing of the bowels, I didn't have a purge (as for my muscles, on the other hand, they PURGED a lot of tension out of them; it was great. Very relieving.) How do I explain this non-purge?

People call Aya the shamanic death, the crossover to the realm of deceased spirits, and the Egyptians thought that to even cross over into this realm one's sins had to be lighter than a feather. I figured this is what the purge must be about, should one consider that the Egyptians didn't view sin in the same sense as Westerners concieve of it in the modern world. For them, sin was a breaking of harmony, of Maat. Sin was that taco bell they ate three days prior, or the trip to the gym they didn't make, or the multiple detox baths they never took.
I might get ballsy and try this without the suggestions and see if I can once again not purge. But to say the purge is what my aya works just isn't right on the scientific level. If you purge several times a day in your own ways (detox baths, consumption of vinegar and garlic) than avoiding an aya purge which is mostly spurned on my alkaloids in the brew which don't effect the spirituality, duration, or intensity of the trip is probably legit
Edited by lot_justice (01/03/14 10:04 AM)
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: lot_justice]
#19363287 - 01/03/14 12:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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rikuni and JacksonMetaller, in my honest opinion, the purge is NOT needed, nor is it helpful to the experience at all. For all of 2012, i was taking Ayahuasca (just Rue and Mimosa) 2 to 3 times a week. Each time i purged like crazy, and the only reason i'd purge is because the experience was too strong plus my gut was being wrecked. Now with the Lemon Balm, and correct dosages, there is no more purging and i'm free to experience what this powerful medicine has to offer.
I don't follow any diet (though i'm certainly not putting anyone off trying to eat healthier), i don't fast before Ayahuasca, and i don't believe the purge is necessary. The purge for me, has always been just a side-effect of Ayahuasca, and is certainly nothing of importance to me.
As for this not being Ayahuasca because it's easy to ingest, i beg to differ. My interpretation of what Ayahuasca is, is that Ayahuasca is technically just the Harmala alkaloids. Some prefer to see Ayahuasca as the foul tasting brew, either with DMT combined in an admixture drink, or just the Caapi vine itself. But i see Ayahuasca as purely the Harmalas. And since the Harmalas are in a single capsule, it is an easy to ingest Ayahuasca. And plus the egg white thing making even a Chaliponga tea tasteless, is also what makes this easy to ingest.
Edited by Sabnock (01/03/14 01:00 PM)
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
#19363309 - 01/03/14 12:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Aopocetx, yes you add the egg whites to the brew and boil the brew thus cooking the egg whites. Once the brew is boiled down to about say 500mls, you can then filter the brew through an old t-shirt or some coffee filters. Once you have the filtered brew, sit it in the freezer overnight and thaw the next day. There will still be sediment that will precipitate out and fall to the bottom, and all one has to do is pour off the good tea without the sediment. Some of the tea will remain with the sediment, so that's why i spend a few extra days allowing the sediment to settle and continue pouring off the tea from the sediment until i get pretty much most of it. Cotton balls do help to catch some of the remaining sediment.
The result though, will be an orangey/red clear tea, that is practically tasteless and can be mixed with practically any drink for easy ingestion.
As for it being evaporated down and loaded up into a capsule, it might work but then again i've never tried. I used to take capsules of Mimosa inner root bark powder as i'd only need a couple capsules or so for a dose, but when Mimosa become unavailable i decided to try making a tea from the Acacia Confusa, and so that's the way i'm doing it now. I did spend a few months extracting from some Acacia as well as the little bit of Mimosa i had left at one time, but i quickly found that smoked DMT at least to me, is such a waste and i much prefer to take it orally with Harmalas.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
#19364268 - 01/03/14 04:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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quick question as to my maoi question, could I add a splash of vinegar to water and boil my rue seeds and do 3 30min boils to make a tea and then evaporate it to have a small amount of crude harmala extract?
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
#19364361 - 01/03/14 04:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sabnock said: Aopocetx, yes you add the egg whites to the brew and boil the brew thus cooking the egg whites. Once the brew is boiled down to about say 500mls, you can then filter the brew through an old t-shirt or some coffee filters. Once you have the filtered brew, sit it in the freezer overnight and thaw the next day. There will still be sediment that will precipitate out and fall to the bottom, and all one has to do is pour off the good tea without the sediment. Some of the tea will remain with the sediment, so that's why i spend a few extra days allowing the sediment to settle and continue pouring off the tea from the sediment until i get pretty much most of it. Cotton balls do help to catch some of the remaining sediment.
The result though, will be an orangey/red clear tea, that is practically tasteless and can be mixed with practically any drink for easy ingestion.
As for it being evaporated down and loaded up into a capsule, it might work but then again i've never tried. I used to take capsules of Mimosa inner root bark powder as i'd only need a couple capsules or so for a dose, but when Mimosa become unavailable i decided to try making a tea from the Acacia Confusa, and so that's the way i'm doing it now. I did spend a few months extracting from some Acacia as well as the little bit of Mimosa i had left at one time, but i quickly found that smoked DMT at least to me, is such a waste and i much prefer to take it orally with Harmalas.
Wow thanks a lot! I actually have Acacia confusa coming in the mail soon. And I know someone who has a problem puking up Ayahuasca before it takes effect so I'll definitely do this.
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