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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: modern.shaman]
    #19347948 - 12/30/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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That's not mine sorry should have mentioned that lol. I posted that image since it visualizes what it 'should' look like unless you sow directly in the cracks.




Still a good contribution anyways. When I transfer my cacti to all rocks in deep pots, I will use my seedlings to grow a top rocks. I got tons of seedlings to try with.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19348159 - 12/30/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This is real new age work, happening right here in this very thread.  Very excited to see how this unfolds.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: SuperD]
    #19348256 - 12/30/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well I hope the work does me right cause if it dont im screwed. By the end of january all my cacti with the exception of columns is goin to rock.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: modern.shaman]
    #19349789 - 12/31/13 03:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If I were to try something like that (and I may...), I would probably wet a piece of rock, spread seed over it and bag it in a light position for a year or two. Hum...




I'd be EXTREMELY interested in the results from this. The bacteria that 'eats' the rocks are already in/on the seeds so the seedling would have this ability. This wouldn't be an effective way of growing but if your not planning on starting a nursery than a few very natural plants from 100's of seeds in a few years would be very nice indeed.




I'll try to make a log of it. I have a few adult Strombocactus that produce bucket-loads of seed annually, some surplus Lophophora seed (please don't make fun of this. "What on earth is surplus Lophophora seed?", I hear you cry) and seed from assorted Turbinicarpus. I just have to go to some limestone area and pick a few appropriate stones to try.

Blossfeldia is a very likely candidate, too. Like a southern hemisphere counterpart to the ones I'll be trying.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: LSoares] * 1
    #19349978 - 12/31/13 06:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #19350481 - 12/31/13 10:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Somehow I missed this thread, very interesting stuff. It seems like so much of this hobby is in sourcing appropriate materials. With the right substrates it becomes a lot more difficult to fuck things up. I was unaware until recently of the constant presence of bacteria in cactus roots, but maybe it explains why rot can be so rapid when conditions are "wrong" in the absence of any obvious external contaminant.


Blossfeldia sounds like a pretty amazing plant. If I'm remembering right, they can "come back to life" after pretty much drying out completely.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: psi]
    #19350819 - 12/31/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ferrel, the guy with the Lophophora blogspot (here) has a write up about soil mix and is pure mineral mix.
His plants look great and goes along with everything you have been saying.
Cheers and happy new year everybody :toast:.

http://lophophora.blogspot.com/2009/09/recipe-for-cactus-soil-mix.html


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: turtle_hermit]
    #19360390 - 01/02/14 07:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

@ corporal- thats pretty neat. Dag Panco did one similar to that. It was pretty cool and you forget how tiny blossfeldia is really.

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Ferrel, the guy with the Lophophora blogspot (here) has a write up about soil mix and is pure mineral mix.
His plants look great and goes along with everything you have been saying.
Cheers and happy new year everybody :toast:.

http://lophophora.blogspot.com/2009/09/recipe-for-cactus-soil-mix.html




Mostly_ harmless uses moler. I wouldnt even know where to get moler. That is a pretty wicked mix though. I think next go around I will probably mix my minerals and then use mica-schist as a filler. I want to use that weed preventer fabric and put some at the bottom of the drain holes to minimize losing it. Im really excited and I want to get started because winter is in full force so they wont feel a thing when taking out of their prisons. But its a wet winter and I hope that when I get home I can start crushing my rock.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19360476 - 01/02/14 07:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Diatomite and moler are more or less the same thing I believe. I've used horticultural diatomite and it worked great but it was expensive as fuck to get shipped here. Great stuff though, lightweight but not too lightweight like perlite so it doesn't move out of place too easily, fast draining but fairly retentive of moisture, etc.

I found out about a diatomite material sold as an oil absorbant for auto work, but my peyote test subjects rotted to shit in a week. Even pereskiopsis was rotting in the stuff. No clue if it was contaminated somehow or what.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19360819 - 01/02/14 09:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Turface MVP will work just as well as the good moler products like those that Mostly uses. You should be able to find it at a feed store or landscape store. It's ~ 14 USD / 50 lb bag.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: naum]
    #19361255 - 01/02/14 11:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Cool, the only stuff I could find was cat litter with sent pellets in it.  The store finder says they have it about 20 min from here.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19361832 - 01/03/14 02:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I want to use that weed preventer fabric and put some at the bottom of the drain holes to minimize losing it.




I use pieces of kitchen paper to this effect. It will let water through and by the time it degrades (two seasons, I estimate) the plants will have filled the pot with roots and keep the substrate in by themselves.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: LSoares]
    #19362371 - 01/03/14 08:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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ferrel_human said:
I want to use that weed preventer fabric and put some at the bottom of the drain holes to minimize losing it.




I use pieces of kitchen paper to this effect. It will let water through and by the time it degrades (two seasons, I estimate) the plants will have filled the pot with roots and keep the substrate in by themselves.




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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: LSoares]
    #19364331 - 01/03/14 04:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I use fiberglass window screen which is plasticy and has larger holes. I think that weed barrier is a poor choice because it doesn't drain as well and is too finely woven.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: naum]
    #19365445 - 01/03/14 07:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I gotta get that turface then. I notice with even the slightest jostling of my pots some kica falls out.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19365548 - 01/03/14 08:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Doss anyone know if fullers earth is any good to use.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19365997 - 01/03/14 09:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If it remains solid after a good soaking.
I tried some from around here recently and it was no good.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: naum]
    #19366467 - 01/04/14 12:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I use fiberglass window screen which is plasticy and has larger holes.



Can vouch. Long lasting, strong, and doesn't impede drainage.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #19367023 - 01/04/14 06:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If it remains solid after a good soaking.
I tried some from around here recently and it was no good.




good to know. We here at work its called kitty litter and we use it to absorb oil and is readily available. I guess I will just stick to my old mix.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19379462 - 01/06/14 09:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Where does the cactus source nitrogen? Granite provides potassium and rock phosphate will provide phosphorus long term. I wanna grow Aztekium and other slow growing cacti in a 100% mineral mix but I don't know if I need to fertilize with Nitrogen. I want to grow in a seal container for an entire year without opening if possible but might have to open it without 6 months. :shrug:

Any ideas on long-term nitrogen source? Was considering Cottonseed Meal or just going 100% mineral without source of nitrogen until it stops growing. Was told I can add a little amount of organic material without problems so might add some compost in the end (around 5%) just enough to have a nutrient source.

Do cacti even need nitrogen?


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