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Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca
#19360461 - 01/02/14 07:52 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Extract one's Harmalas and load up a dose into a single capsule or use Rue seed capsules. Do the egg white tannin removal on Acacia root bark, Mimosa root bark, or Chaliponga leaves for a tasteless clear tea. And use one single gram of Lemon Balm to make a tea for the stomach issues. Take the Harmala capsule or Syrian Rue seeds, and drink your Lemon Balm and Acacia/Mimosa/Chaliponga tea, and enjoy!
Egg white tannin removal uses 2 egg whites for 50 grams worth of DMT-containing plant matter, or 3 egg whites for 100 grams worth. Basically, do a few boils of some root bark or leaves, and before reducing, add in the egg whites and boil/reduce the liquid down to a manageable size and filter. Put the filtered brew in the freezer overnight and thaw the next day. Once thawed, the sediment that remains will fall to the bottom, one can pour off the good tea until the sediment tries pouring out. Allow the remaining tea/sediment to settle and then pour again, one can also use cotton balls in a coffee filter to can some of the sediment when getting to the last little bit of liquid. Once all the clean tea is collected, simply store it in the fridge and use as needed, or store it back in the freezer although some more sediment might drop out if re-frozen. This tea is tasteless, as long as you don't acidify the brew, if you acidify it, it WILL have a taste and more of a smell, but the taste isn't horrible and can be drank pretty easily.
The extracted Harmalas or Rue extract can be achieved by doing a few boils on whole Syrian Rue seed, filtering each boil as it's easier to filter compared to filtering one big brew without filtering each boil, and reduce/boil the brew down to a manageable size and filter once more. Then, take 10 grams of Sodium Carbonate (baking soda heated in the oven at 400 degrees for an hour) per 400mls of brew (so 20 grams for 800mls of brew) and mix it in to the still warm brew so that it get's dissolved. The alkaloids should precipitate out right away, and once the alkaloids are settled, you can then filter them out in a coffee filter. Purify these a few more times by redissolving in acidic water (Vinegar or Citric Acid) and re-base with Sodium Carbonate and filter. If you wish to separate them from the other alkaloids, preform a manske. And once you have your Harmalas, you can then measure out your dose and load it up into one or two capsules (if using purified and mansked Harmalas, one capsule is suffice for 200mgs to 250mgs). Or you can simply fill up 6 capsules or so with some ground up Rue seed and take them as is.
The one gram of Lemon Balm is made into a tea by steeping it for 15 to 25 minutes in hot water with a cover over the cup to prevent the escape of "volatile oils".
You simply mix your Acacia/Mimosa/Chaliponga tea dose, in with your Lemon Balm tea, and take the Harmala capsule or Syrian Rue seed capsules and drink the tea either immediately after taking the capsule or wait 15 to 30 minutes. Personally i've noticed that if you drink the Lemon Balm tea immediately after the Harmalas or 5 to 10 minutes after the Harmalas, there's absolutely no stomach issues for me. If i wait 30 minutes after taking the Harmalas to drink the Lemon Balm, then i do have a mild stomachy feeling for about 15 minutes but that easily goes away with a few puffs of Cannabis.
The result, atleast for me, has been a nausea and purge free experience every time, with no stomach issues and it's easy to ingest.
Have fun
Edited by Sabnock (01/02/14 08:51 PM)
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
#19360501 - 01/02/14 08:04 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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TY!
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: lot_justice]
#19360518 - 01/02/14 08:08 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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You're welcome 
Also, i hear Ginger is good for stomach troubles too, and even though the Lemon Balm does perfectly fine on it's own, i do one day want to try adding in a gram of fresh Ginger root into my Lemon Balm/Acacia tea.
I also one day want to try some Passion Flower and other herbs just to see how they interact with the Ayahuasca and if they change the experience.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
#19360766 - 01/02/14 09:15 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Thanks for the recipe! Lemon balm tea is yummy! I think it's very slightly psychoactive to about the same and in the same way as chamomile (calming without affecting clear headedness). It grows like a weed hear in the Pacific Northwest. It can easily take over a garden.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: kapowsin]
#19360989 - 01/02/14 10:04 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Yup, indeed it is yummy. And what's cool about this is that since the egg white thing makes the resulting Acacia or Mimosa or even Chaliponga tea practically tasteless, it's like one is just drinking Lemon Balm tea so it's VERY easy to get down 
In fact, this may sound odd, but i've noticed ever since i've started using Lemon Balm with my Ayahuasca, it's been more visual and plus a little calmer too
I hope to one day establish a garden of Lemon Balm as i hear it's incredibly easy to grow and i also wanna try growing other plants like Passion Flower and one day see how that affects an Ayahuasca brew. Right now i'm growing 3 Mimosa Hostilis and 2 Mimosa Ophthalmocentra trees which i'm gonna plant in the ground come spring time. I also plan to in the next few years plant some Acacia Confusa, Acacia Simplex, and some Acacia Acuminata. Even wanna try growing my own Syrian Rue or Caapi vine. And in 10, 15 years from now, i'll be REALLY happy 
I also one day wanna try adding in some Nigella Sativa seeds, maybe in capsules or even a tea if it doesn't taste bad, because it's said at 2.5 grams or so the seed can inhibit CYP enzymes 2D6 and 3A4, which i believe would slow down the metabolization of the Harmalas and hence the DMT. The way i'm thinking, the Nigella Sativa seed could perhaps lengthen the Ayahuasca experience, or possibly reduce the amount of Harmalas needed due to increased bio-availability.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
#19361009 - 01/02/14 10:09 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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I've heard the nausea also has to do with DMT's affinity to the 5 HT3 receptor
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Agentchewy]
#19361047 - 01/02/14 10:18 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Yeah i've heard that too, but me personally DMT's never really made me nauseous when it's smoked or taken orally with Moclobemide, and it's only when the Harmalas are involved that i get nauseous. The Harmalas themselves in a high enough dose will cause the nausea and purge, but so far the Lemon Balm seems to have the stomach issues pretty much dealt with. Though Ginger root contains a compound that is a 5-HT3 antagonist so it certainly wouldn't hurt to add a gram of Ginger with your gram of Lemon Balm Plus the Ginger is also said to provide a warmness to the body, which i think might be good to counteract the chills/shivers that the Harmalas and even DMT can indue.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
#19361104 - 01/02/14 10:32 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Quick question on the egg white- how do you get the yolk out of the egg before adding the white to the mix? (dunno how to cook lol)
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: lot_justice]
#19361205 - 01/02/14 10:56 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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You crack the egg and pull the shell into 2 parts (be careful, don't spill anything out) and carefully rock the yolk back and forth from one part of the shell to the other, while allowing the egg whites to drip down into a bowl. Then you simply pour in the egg whites and bring the brew up to a boil. Also it's best to have a minimally warm or room temp brew when you add the egg whites as too much heat will cause the egg whites to instantly coagulate thus being ineffective.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
#19361234 - 01/02/14 11:03 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Alright, so update. Tonight i took 250mgs of just Harmalas, whereas before i was using 200mgs of Harmalas, and i washed it down with a gram of Lemon Balm tea. Now, did i purge? Yeah, but it wasn't really nausea related. Things were going fine until i felt a sudden amp up in the Harmala effects, and my mouth was a tad bit dry so i took a sip of some sweet tea, and a couple minutes later i felt a pressure building in my gut, and while no nausea was there, i felt that maybe i should go purge, and so i did.
So what does that tell me? It says to me, either go back down on the Harmala dose, maybe 215-225mgs at most but 250mgs seems plenty strong Harmala wise. Also it tells me that if i were to use higher Harmala doses, that i would def. add in a gram of Ginger, maybe even put the Lemon Balm at 2 grams, but i think the Ginger would certainly help out with that.
Overall, right now i'm Harmala heavy, body feels weird but i'm functional. 250mgs for me seems to be pretty darn strong, though i don't have any blurry vision but man my body feels weird.
But i must say it's weird how the purge came without nausea... The Lemon Balm really does kick ass when it comes to stopping that nausea. The purge was like, i felt a pressure in my stomach, and i had to purge. Then the multiple purges happened, not like the gut contractions that happens without the Lemon Balm, but more like i just felt i needed to go throw up and so i did. And plus the Harmalas are a tad bit strong so the building effects also contributed to my thought to purge, lol. But like i said, ZERO nausea, and i can distinguish nausea, from a "pressure building up in my stomach".
And one more thing i wanna note, is that the purging i experienced was actually not that bad. I mean, yeah, i don't like vomiting of course but it came up and out pretty easily and other than the taste of my stomach acid causing me to wrench a couple more times, that's really all there was to the purge. So, ZERO nausea, and easy purge, still better than nausea and a purge.
Edited by Sabnock (01/02/14 11:53 PM)
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: lot_justice]
#19362387 - 01/03/14 08:13 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Thanks Sabnock...very interesting
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lot_justice said: Quick question on the egg white- how do you get the yolk out of the egg before adding the white to the mix? (dunno how to cook lol)
quick easy way
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Simple-Psyman]
#19362408 - 01/03/14 08:21 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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I personally find the purge a very therapeutic part of the experience. Don't know why you would want to eliminate it, but to each their own
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#19362501 - 01/03/14 09:05 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Ive never tried aya or pharmahuasca etc...only smoked dmt.
I think i would welcome the purge as well...at least certainly the first time(or few) that i plan to take it,i will do so with as little tinkering to get the full experience!!!
I would feel the same for mescaline/cactus prep!!!
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#19362505 - 01/03/14 09:05 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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JacksonMetaller said: I personally find the purge a very therapeutic part of the experience. Don't know why you would want to eliminate it, but to each their own
cause hes eliminating all the important good things that make ayahuasca work. Not for me either but maybe these kids learn it some day 
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it's easy to ingest.
CAUSE ITS NOT AYAHUASCA
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: rikuni]
#19362622 - 01/03/14 09:53 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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So just to be clear, you put the egg whites in the tea as it's boiling and they harden, taking the nasty stuff with them?
What would happen if you boiled down the clear tea? Would you get an extract with DMT in salt form? I know you can't smoke that but if you could cap that then that's a pretty awesome method.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: rikuni]
#19362630 - 01/03/14 09:57 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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A few words on the purge:
I tend to be a bit of a nut when it comes to spirit plants. The first time I did an aya (actually pharama) brew, besides a slight stomach discomfort and a quick flushing of the bowels, I didn't have a purge (as for my muscles, on the other hand, they PURGED a lot of tension out of them; it was great. Very relieving.) How do I explain this non-purge?

People call Aya the shamanic death, the crossover to the realm of deceased spirits, and the Egyptians thought that to even cross over into this realm one's sins had to be lighter than a feather. I figured this is what the purge must be about, should one consider that the Egyptians didn't view sin in the same sense as Westerners concieve of it in the modern world. For them, sin was a breaking of harmony, of Maat. Sin was that taco bell they ate three days prior, or the trip to the gym they didn't make, or the multiple detox baths they never took.
I might get ballsy and try this without the suggestions and see if I can once again not purge. But to say the purge is what my aya works just isn't right on the scientific level. If you purge several times a day in your own ways (detox baths, consumption of vinegar and garlic) than avoiding an aya purge which is mostly spurned on my alkaloids in the brew which don't effect the spirituality, duration, or intensity of the trip is probably legit
Edited by lot_justice (01/03/14 10:04 AM)
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: lot_justice]
#19363287 - 01/03/14 12:51 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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rikuni and JacksonMetaller, in my honest opinion, the purge is NOT needed, nor is it helpful to the experience at all. For all of 2012, i was taking Ayahuasca (just Rue and Mimosa) 2 to 3 times a week. Each time i purged like crazy, and the only reason i'd purge is because the experience was too strong plus my gut was being wrecked. Now with the Lemon Balm, and correct dosages, there is no more purging and i'm free to experience what this powerful medicine has to offer.
I don't follow any diet (though i'm certainly not putting anyone off trying to eat healthier), i don't fast before Ayahuasca, and i don't believe the purge is necessary. The purge for me, has always been just a side-effect of Ayahuasca, and is certainly nothing of importance to me.
As for this not being Ayahuasca because it's easy to ingest, i beg to differ. My interpretation of what Ayahuasca is, is that Ayahuasca is technically just the Harmala alkaloids. Some prefer to see Ayahuasca as the foul tasting brew, either with DMT combined in an admixture drink, or just the Caapi vine itself. But i see Ayahuasca as purely the Harmalas. And since the Harmalas are in a single capsule, it is an easy to ingest Ayahuasca. And plus the egg white thing making even a Chaliponga tea tasteless, is also what makes this easy to ingest.
Edited by Sabnock (01/03/14 01:00 PM)
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
#19363309 - 01/03/14 12:57 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Aopocetx, yes you add the egg whites to the brew and boil the brew thus cooking the egg whites. Once the brew is boiled down to about say 500mls, you can then filter the brew through an old t-shirt or some coffee filters. Once you have the filtered brew, sit it in the freezer overnight and thaw the next day. There will still be sediment that will precipitate out and fall to the bottom, and all one has to do is pour off the good tea without the sediment. Some of the tea will remain with the sediment, so that's why i spend a few extra days allowing the sediment to settle and continue pouring off the tea from the sediment until i get pretty much most of it. Cotton balls do help to catch some of the remaining sediment.
The result though, will be an orangey/red clear tea, that is practically tasteless and can be mixed with practically any drink for easy ingestion.
As for it being evaporated down and loaded up into a capsule, it might work but then again i've never tried. I used to take capsules of Mimosa inner root bark powder as i'd only need a couple capsules or so for a dose, but when Mimosa become unavailable i decided to try making a tea from the Acacia Confusa, and so that's the way i'm doing it now. I did spend a few months extracting from some Acacia as well as the little bit of Mimosa i had left at one time, but i quickly found that smoked DMT at least to me, is such a waste and i much prefer to take it orally with Harmalas.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
#19364268 - 01/03/14 04:44 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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quick question as to my maoi question, could I add a splash of vinegar to water and boil my rue seeds and do 3 30min boils to make a tea and then evaporate it to have a small amount of crude harmala extract?
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
#19364361 - 01/03/14 04:59 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Sabnock said: Aopocetx, yes you add the egg whites to the brew and boil the brew thus cooking the egg whites. Once the brew is boiled down to about say 500mls, you can then filter the brew through an old t-shirt or some coffee filters. Once you have the filtered brew, sit it in the freezer overnight and thaw the next day. There will still be sediment that will precipitate out and fall to the bottom, and all one has to do is pour off the good tea without the sediment. Some of the tea will remain with the sediment, so that's why i spend a few extra days allowing the sediment to settle and continue pouring off the tea from the sediment until i get pretty much most of it. Cotton balls do help to catch some of the remaining sediment.
The result though, will be an orangey/red clear tea, that is practically tasteless and can be mixed with practically any drink for easy ingestion.
As for it being evaporated down and loaded up into a capsule, it might work but then again i've never tried. I used to take capsules of Mimosa inner root bark powder as i'd only need a couple capsules or so for a dose, but when Mimosa become unavailable i decided to try making a tea from the Acacia Confusa, and so that's the way i'm doing it now. I did spend a few months extracting from some Acacia as well as the little bit of Mimosa i had left at one time, but i quickly found that smoked DMT at least to me, is such a waste and i much prefer to take it orally with Harmalas.
Wow thanks a lot! I actually have Acacia confusa coming in the mail soon. And I know someone who has a problem puking up Ayahuasca before it takes effect so I'll definitely do this.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: stuckinwonderland]
#19364904 - 01/03/14 06:25 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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stuckinwonderland said: quick question as to my maoi question, could I add a splash of vinegar to water and boil my rue seeds and do 3 30min boils to make a tea and then evaporate it to have a small amount of crude harmala extract?
Well, i'd say probably not. I mean, you could, but i don't in any way see that as being efficient or even working all that well. I myself when i first started out with Rue, tried doing that, but the residue just wasn't gonna cut it.
In my opinion, it's best to either capsule up 6 capsules or so of ground up Rue seed and ingest the capsules, or to preform an extraction using Sodium Carbonate and some Vinegar or Citric Acid (and the extraction is pretty easy too).
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Aopocetx]
#19365220 - 01/03/14 07:18 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Aopocetx said: Wow thanks a lot! I actually have Acacia confusa coming in the mail soon. And I know someone who has a problem puking up Ayahuasca before it takes effect so I'll definitely do this.
Np, yeah it's def. worth a try. Heck even for those who doesn't wanna get around the purge, i think it's still nice to be able to work with a clean tasteless Acacia tea and a simple Harmala extract capsule. That's why i personally don't understand why one would want to drink such a horrible tasting brew when there are other ways out there that are more suitable.
And what i like most about taking Ayahuasca this way, is that unlike Pharmahuasca, this actually works pretty much all the time. From what i understand, freebase DMT doesn't get absorbed by the gut very well so alot of people tend to have issues getting Pharmahuasca to work, whereas freebase Harmalas tend to be absorbed just fine in the gut.
The thing also with Pharmahuasca is people will then usually just dissolve their freebase DMT and Harmalas into something acidic like orange juice which converts the freebase back to a salt form that can be ingested and will work but tasty/tasteless it is not.
So i said screw the taste and screw extracting DMT. Extracting the Harmalas is easy and each dose will fit into one single capsule, and then doing the egg white thing will make a tasty DMT-containing tea/drink, so the result is obviously a better option imo
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
#19367129 - 01/04/14 07:44 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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I totally agree. What timing is best for taking the MAOI in your experience? I was gonna take the Aya 30 minutes after but you said 15 and I tend to believe you. I just want to get it right the first time which is why I'm so concerned with details.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Aopocetx]
#19367841 - 01/04/14 12:05 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Aopocetx said: I totally agree. What timing is best for taking the MAOI in your experience? I was gonna take the Aya 30 minutes after but you said 15 and I tend to believe you. I just want to get it right the first time which is why I'm so concerned with details.
Well, i'd say for extracted Harmalas, probably 10 to 15 minutes apart, probably 15. For Syrian Rue seed capsules, i'd say 30 minutes.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
#19367985 - 01/04/14 12:33 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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There is a tek going around in which one mixes the maoi inhibitor with the bark in the beginning, simmers them for three hours, saves water, adds more, simmers another three, strains, combine both batches of liquid, and then simmers those to a manageable amount (about another 3-6 hours) It surprised me because people say you should do the mao i first. Then again, this tek has been circulating around for some number of years with a lot of people saying that it is incredibly potent (13 g of acacia on this tek is doing more than 20 g which goes throug two shorter brews on its own) I noticed with this combination tek, however, one consumes 6 g of Syrian for 13 g of bark. This is a major swing in the ratios.
Any thoughts on this tek? Would you try it? Do you think that the double dose of mao-i will compensate for not consuming it prior to consuming the dmt material?
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: lot_justice]
#19368328 - 01/04/14 01:40 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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lot_justice said: There is a tek going around in which one mixes the maoi inhibitor with the bark in the beginning, simmers them for three hours, saves water, adds more, simmers another three, strains, combine both batches of liquid, and then simmers those to a manageable amount (about another 3-6 hours) It surprised me because people say you should do the mao i first. Then again, this tek has been circulating around for some number of years with a lot of people saying that it is incredibly potent (13 g of acacia on this tek is doing more than 20 g which goes throug two shorter brews on its own) I noticed with this combination tek, however, one consumes 6 g of Syrian for 13 g of bark. This is a major swing in the ratios.
Any thoughts on this tek? Would you try it? Do you think that the double dose of mao-i will compensate for not consuming it prior to consuming the dmt material?
That's how traditional ayahuasca is made, but with different ingredients. It works either way, however, taking the MAOI a half hour or so beforehand does make it slightly more potent and take less time to kick in overall. What I do, is take my rue and wait until I can feel the rue, it has a definite effect, and the first warning I get is usually a tingle up my spine. After that, I drink the deems.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: themckid]
#19368416 - 01/04/14 01:56 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Is there any info on the duration and potency of the mao-i inhibitor. Does it hit hard at once, or is there a gradual build up, peak, and then taper? When I did pharma, I felt as if before the dmt was through, the mao-i i had taken a half hour earlier was dying out, so I made a new rue tea and the trip re-surged.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: lot_justice]
#19394085 - 01/09/14 03:01 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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So, here's an update. Last night i took a capsule of 215 to 220mgs of Harmalas (my scale kept fluctuating within a 5mg range) and washed it down with a tea made from 2 grams of Lemon Balm (so that the Lemon Balm would kick in when the Harmalas do). 30 minutes later, i mixed 15mls of my concentrated Acacia Confusa tea (which is approx. 6 grams) with a gram of Lemon Balm tea and drank.
The result was a nausea/purge free experience, that kicked in about an hour and a half after ingestion and the Acacia portion lasted about 3 to 4 hours while the Harmalas lasted about 6 hours. So all in all, the entire experience, starting at an hour and a half, lasted 6 hours. It was really nice, full on, and once again purging was not necessary and the experience was still as powerful
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
#19394462 - 01/09/14 04:25 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Sabnock we appreciate your report. It's good you had a good experience from 6g. I was trying to work out a dose for my first try with acacia on Saturday and I settled on 10g. People say 15g is extremely intense. Man I'm excited about this.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Aopocetx]
#19394587 - 01/09/14 04:51 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Yeah i'd imagine 15 grams would indeed be extremely intense. I've tried an 8 gram dose of the inner root bark and i felt the need to go back down to 6 as even 8 grams seemed a little strong for me. Regular root bark would probably be extremely intense at the 20 gram dose range, who knows maybe even 15 as well, i still haven't worked with Acacia Confusa all that long so i'm still getting used to it.
But yeah np on the reporting, it's the least i can do to help others out as i go through these experiences through experimentation. I've come to the conclusion that for me, Acacia Confusa is way more colorful and visual than Mimosa was, yet the Acacia seems to lack the bodily feelings that the Mimosa has. To me i feel like Acacia is for visions/visuals and more mental, whereas Mimosa is about feeling/dancing and seems more physical. I don't know if it's that way with other people, but for some odd reason i never seemed to get much visuals during my work with Mimosa, but boy has Acacia shown me what all the visual talk is about.
I myself, i'm not all that concerned about visual activity, or atleast i don't use Ayahuasca for the visual aspect. I use it more for the pharmacological and medicinal properties it has to offer and to me the experience is more about being/feeling a more human side of myself.
One thing i'd really like to try one day is to mix both the Acacia Confusa and the Mimosa Hostilis, and see where that takes me. Thank god i'm growing a bunch of Mimosa as it can grow where i live, and in 10 years from now i shall have all the Mimosa i need, as well as Acacia Confusa and Simplex although those are slower growing and i'd most likely have to use the stem/branch bark cuz i hear the root harvesting will kill Acacia's. Either way though, i'm entering a crucial point in my life and am dedicated to this stuff.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
#19394642 - 01/09/14 05:03 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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And once again i can not express how awesome it is to be able to ingest Ayahuasca as easily i'm able to. I mean, one single capsule is enough to hold a full dose of purified Harmalas, or even Rue or Caapi full spectrum extract. And idk about anyone else, but technically Ayahuasca is the B. Caapi vine, correct? There seems to be alot of confusion as to what Ayahuasca actually is, there's apparently Ayahuasca and then the Ayahuasca admixture brew, but either way Ayahuasca in my eyes technically seems to be the Harmala alkaloids first and foremost and possibly includes the full spectrum extract of Caapi. Either way though, the way i see it, you're able to take a foul tasting/smelling brew and turn it into a single capsule.
From there, once the capsule is taken, give it a little time, like 30 minutes and then simply drink an easy to get down tea, and one is set. To me, it's like a cleaner version of Ayahuasca, it's not raw and dirty feeling like taking Rue seed capsules, it's much much cleaner and clearer and feels more "normal" or natural, to me.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
#20921630 - 12/03/14 08:22 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey man i have a question about this recipe.. after you finish making the (acacia confusa 50g) tea and store it in the fridge and use as needed as you said, how does one measure dosage? A 50g brew can be dangerous if dosed too high. How much water do you use when boiling the brew (per steep)?
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: marcohuasca]
#20922711 - 12/03/14 01:35 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why does every technique I read about on here involving using something BESIDES caapi and chakruna - aren't THOSE the cleanest ones to use?
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: marcohuasca]
#20923309 - 12/03/14 03:40 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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marcohuasca said: Hey man i have a question about this recipe.. after you finish making the (acacia confusa 50g) tea and store it in the fridge and use as needed as you said, how does one measure dosage? A 50g brew can be dangerous if dosed too high. How much water do you use when boiling the brew (per steep)?
I measure each dose out in mls, usually i do 100 grams of Acacia and the resulting tea is 500mls, each gram being 5 mls. And for 50 grams, i'll usually have a tea that's 250mls.
And i don't measure out the water i use during boiling, i just put the root in the pot, fill it up with water, boil it, filter off each boil, and you'd might wanna do 8 separate boils on the root, as i've done 4 boils before and it was less potent by about 5 to 10 grams than the tea i made with 8 boils.
And don't forget to freeze, thaw and filter the tea as much as you can once it's reduced down to where you want it, then once it's clean you can store it in the fridge for at least 3 months without it going bad.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
#20923328 - 12/03/14 03:43 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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PsychoKinesiS said: Why does every technique I read about on here involving using something BESIDES caapi and chakruna - aren't THOSE the cleanest ones to use?
Because Caapi is expensive and in my opinion is for rare use only, while Rue is really cheap and can be used more regularly (especially if you get 4.2 pounds of seed for 65 bucks, which is more than a years worth of Rue). I actually just ordered me a pound of Red Caapi and a pound of Yellow Caapi which i will be extracting from with vinegar and washing soda just like i do with the Rue, it will be my first time working with Caapi, so i'm excited 
As for the Chacruna, it's potency varies and is a really weak source of DMT from what i understand, i wouldn't have any issue using it if it were just a little more potent. I wouldn't even mind using Chaliponga, but even though it's more potent than Chacruna, it's potency is still variable. Mimosa and Acacia root bark is just a lot easier to use and is cheaper.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
#20923368 - 12/03/14 03:52 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Really, it's not worth $10 per session to use the original authentic plant called "ayahuasca" when drinking ayahuasca? You'd spend that much to buy a drink at a bar, and here you are talking about a 6 hour spiritual experience with your health on the line. How often do you drink - every day?
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
#20923724 - 12/03/14 04:56 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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PsychoKinesiS said: Really, it's not worth $10 per session to use the original authentic plant called "ayahuasca" when drinking ayahuasca?
Indeed, ayahuasca specifically denotes the vine, B. caapi,* however I don't think the vine should be considered a tradition that is respected. Indeed, some people say that B. caapi is superior to Peganum harmala seeds, however 69Ron, for example, says that isolated tetrahydroharmine is his preference. The difference between P. harmala and B. caapi is that P. harmala contains kind of a 50/50 mixture of harmine and harmaline, and B. caapi contains harmine and tetrahydroharmine and only a small amount of harmaline.** 69Ron says that he prefers the harmine/THH B. caapi mixture and I've seen other comments where people echo what he says, saying that they prefer B. caapi. But 69Ron says that pure THH is even better than harmine + THH.† Furthermore, he claims that it was determined that B. caapi vines that contained more THH were preferred by the South Americans. This all suggests to me that the brain has a predilection for a certain style of chemical structure, tetrahydroharmine being the best; and harmine or the admixture of harmine & THH being closer to the 'frequency' that THH produces -- harmaline being of a cruder nature than the two chemicals mentioned.
Additionally, there are 'harman-type' chemicals (contrasted with the 'harmine-type' chemicals mentioned above) found in a wide array of plants.‡ This is an interesting frontier. A member of this msg board recently started to explore this territory: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20716457
Lastly, moclobemide is a synthetic MAOI that has gained popularity for the use of oral DMT and some people prefer it to the naturally-occurring ones.
The Moclobemide Report supplies information about this short-term, reversible, medical MAOI. Learn about the benefits of this drug (over Peganum harmala and other herbal MAOI drugs) when used in pharmahuasca experiments. Moclobemide is fast becoming the MAOI of preference amongst in-the-know psychonauts. Educate yourself today! (3 pages)
Jon Hanna - http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/psychedelic_resource_list.pdf
One thing that needs to be noted about pharmaceutical MAOIs is that they do not produce a stoning effect of their own, whereas the harmine/harman-type chemicals do (the MAOI effect is seperate from the stoning effect). This harmaloid high is a factor that is absent from pharmaceutical DMT trips.
So it's not about plants, it's about molecules. The whole plant, B. caapi a.k.a. ayahuasca holds no importance.
I think the natives referred to the complete brew as ayahuasca because they were confused over the fact that the P. viridis or whatever (one of the traditional DMT-source plants) wouldn't work by itself; so they assigned erroneous importance to the B. caapi vine. The name ayahuasca completely ignores the DMT (because, once again, ayahuasca is literally their name for the vine) and this is what I mean when I say 'erroneous importance' and I think that they did this because they would get no effect if they just ingested P. viridis, so they assumed that the B. caapi portion of the brew was exponentially more important than any additional ingredients. Now had they smoked some DMT freebase, they might have changed their minds. 
*The name ayahuasca is from Quechua, a South American Indian language: huasca means “vine” or “liana” and aya means “souls” or “dead people” or “spirits.” Thus “vine of the dead,” “vine of the souls,” or “vine of the spirits” would all be appropriate English translations.
Ralph Metzner. Sacred Vine of Spirits: Ayahuasca (2005), Introduction
**Same as above.
†Tetrahydroharmine (THH) and DMT taken orally
‡See 'Ayahuasca Analogs and Pharmahuasca' chapter in 'The Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants'* (page 716) *Christian Rätsch, 2005
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: PsychoKinesiS] 1
#20923779 - 12/03/14 05:09 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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PsychoKinesiS said: Really, it's not worth $10 per session to use the original authentic plant called "ayahuasca" when drinking ayahuasca? You'd spend that much to buy a drink at a bar, and here you are talking about a 6 hour spiritual experience with your health on the line. How often do you drink - every day?
It's worth it, no doubt. It's just, i started out with Rue and Mimosa, and i love the combo, i have nothing against Caapi, Chacruna or Chaliponga, i just like to experiment around and Rue and Mimosa/Acacia is cheaper for experimentation. But just because i use Rue over Caapi, or Mimosa over Chacruna, doesn't mean i haven't had powerful, amazing and spiritual experiences. In fact, i had a precognitive premonition of my dad dying, two weeks before he actually died, and that was with purified Harmalas from Rue, and some Acacia and Lemon Balm tea.
I like diversity, i appreciate all the plants, and i'm really into the idea of mixing plants together. I'm also very interested in using Shrooms with Ayahuasca, with or without the DMT, as i think Shrooms have a lot of potential, just like DMT, but i've experienced DMT in Ayahuasca quite a lot already, and am looking to change it up a bit.
I also sip on my teas rather than drink them, because i like to play around with the onset and duration, and i find sipping on the DMT-containing teas to be better than drinking it all down at once.
And besides all this, Ayahuasca isn't limited to South America, yeah the Caapi "Ayahuasca" vine is, but Syrian Rue seeds serve just as much purpose as Caapi does in my honest opinion, after all, it is native to the middle east.
And as for how often i take Ayahuasca, back in 2012 i would take the stuff pretty regularly, like daily with a few breaks every now and then, did it like that all year. Then i took a break for pretty much all of 2013 and then this year i got back into it but improved my method of ingestion by upgrading from capsules of Rue seed and Mimosa root to Rue extract in capsule form (soon to be in liquid form) and an egg white cleansed Mimosa or Acacia tea that is very easy to drink or mix with something like Lemon Balm tea. These days though, i've certainly slowed down with my usage of it, but i do like to take it at least once a week, if i'm in the mood.
A few days ago, i made some cherry kool aid, poured a little bit into a small cup, warmed it up in the microwave, then when warm, i added in my weighed out Rue extract dose and added a few pinches of some extra citric acid to help everything dissolve. And while the kool aid was warm, it was actually very drinkable, just a little bit bitter but that probably can be fixed with a little more sugar (or honey if you prefer). But once it got cold, it was a lot more bitter, which made me wonder how a warm Rue or Caapi extract brew would taste on it's own, maybe neutralize the acidity from the citric acid, with some baking soda and use a pH meter to get things right.... it might actually taste alright.
But yeah, i have my Red and Yellow Caapi on the way, should be here Friday, and some time next week i think i'll go ahead and extract from em'. Which btw, i wonder why Ayahuasqueros still use the brews and haven't taken advantage of easy extractions with something as safe as vinegar and washing soda. The extracts are by far much easier to work with than brews, as they can be encapsulated per dose, or dissolved into some acidic liquid, and especially for Caapi, it's easy to weigh or measure out a dose compared to the variable potency of Caapi brews, an extract is much preferred.
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
#20924156 - 12/03/14 06:17 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for posting your experiences with ayahuasca. Find it very helpful. I have yet to try ayahuasca but have the needed ingredients around and I think I may try this. Have a question about extracting the harmala's from rue specifically. Was wondering if you have a ratio of sodium carbonate to rue seeds to water? You said you use 10 grams sodium carbonate to 400 ml of rue brewbut how many grams rue did you start with? Or does it matter? Also is their a certain ph the acid water needs to be when adding the vinegar to purify the harmalas?
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: molemole]
#20924184 - 12/03/14 06:20 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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molemole said: Have a question about extracting the harmala's from rue specifically.
Seems to be the most promising:
A new level of harmala purity with this extraction
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Re: Clean, easy to get down and nausea/purge free Ayahuasca [Re: s240779]
#20925572 - 12/03/14 11:04 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Da2ra said:
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molemole said: Have a question about extracting the harmala's from rue specifically.
Seems to be the most promising:
A new level of harmala purity with this extraction
Thank you Da2ra
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