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Xxzer0xX
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Would like some informative opinions
#19360365 - 01/02/14 07:30 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Ok guys before everyone goes hating on me I no I'm new but Ive been reading and booking marking a lot on this site now for a little bit . I have constructed a glovebox and currently do have a 16 jar BRF Tek Of pink buffalo almost 100 % colonized. I also have 3 syringes of a strain and 3 syringes of golden teacher. Now here's where the questions come in and yes I no your guys under desirable hate for grow kits but I don't have the time quite at the moment and money is not a problem so I was thinking about order monster bulk grow kit and incubator from Midwest grow kits. I read of a guy on here who got a pound on his tub from this exact same kit on first flush. So I guess I'm just wondering do you guys think this kit will suffice until I get time to myself to set down and gather things together
Note : I live In a small farming town so I couldn't even find so much as a aquarium heater
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cronicr



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Re: Would like some informative opinions [Re: Xxzer0xX]
#19360376 - 01/02/14 07:33 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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if money's not a problem just order a bunch of sterlized grain jars or bags, you live in a farming community so bulk should be easy to get(so should grains)
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Xxzer0xX
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Re: Would like some informative opinions [Re: cronicr]
#19360409 - 01/02/14 07:41 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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I still need a chamber tho and that was my plan. Also the kit I was looking at could fit multiple spawn bags
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cronicr



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Re: Would like some informative opinions [Re: Xxzer0xX]
#19360428 - 01/02/14 07:46 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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i'll stick around for an answer but i'm one of the anti kit guys
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HypnotoadCroaked
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Re: Would like some informative opinions [Re: cronicr]
#19360481 - 01/02/14 07:57 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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cronicr said: if money's not a problem just order a bunch of sterlized grain jars or bags, you live in a farming community so bulk should be easy to get(so should grains)
I have to agree with this 100%. Obviously considering a "kit" pretty much explains that you don't have the time at the moment, but I can tell you from (reading other kit threads) that you will certainly be exponentially better off to steer clear of a kit. If your cakes are not at 100% yet, you have plenty of time for pre-planning (read on)
Aquarium heaters are unnecessary. If your living space is warm enough to "be comfortable" than technically the incubator is non-essential.
Most of what you will get with a kit is wrong and/or worthless. You will basically pay an arm and a leg for the wrong size/shape fruiting chamber and an aquarium pump.
Look around at this site, and you will find very little successes with these kits. Most of the kit threads end in tradgedy, and the ones that don't are from advised users who quickly find that a $7 plastic tub from wallyworld etc was worth more than their entire kit.
Sounds like you have the correct jars, which IMHO is one of the most important part of the whole process. I highly advise making a SGFC to specs with 1/4" holes every 2" in a grid pattern over all 6 sides of your selected box. I don't do caked and never really have, but IIRC the recommendation is 4" of perlite.
16oz/lb of wet mushrooms = about 448g...but when you dry it, it would be about 45g. I simply don't have enough experience with cakes to know if this is good or bad, but TBH I would not be thrilled if my first flush gave me 45g dry from a monotub. (I hope my beer math is right)
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Xxzer0xX said: I still need a chamber tho and that was my plan. Also the kit I was looking at could fit multiple spawn bags
A 106 or 66qt tub from the local "superdupermegamart" will run you between $5-10, and the perlite which could be double that....SO for what I estimate less than $30 at a store down the street will be EVERYTHING you need to spawn them cakes.
Use the search function, or watch the "Lets grow mushroom" videos. Research proper Shotgun fruiting chamber (SGFC). You will save money, and make a better situation for your cultivation than any kit I have yet to see.
If you have 16 cakes nearly @ 100%, this gives you well over a week. Cakes will hit 100% colonized, and it is HIGHLY recommended that you wait AT LEAST A WEEK prior to birthing. Others indicate that longer has benefits, but that is research I have never done. This time frame is defined as "consolidation period".
Research the "Dunk and roll" method with cakes.
16 cakes in a properly constructed chamber will do splendid. The more cakes you get into a chamber, the better it would do I imagine. Part of the design of the SGFC that is lost in translation is that it will work better the more full of cakes it is.
*edit* I get all drunked up and my math/logic gets fuzzy. I am not a cake cultivator, and would wait for input from one of our resident cake experts.
Edited by HypnotoadCroaked (01/02/14 08:01 PM)
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Xxzer0xX
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Thanks so much guy for the suggestions and my living space is always warm I usually keep my heat at 25 indoors so if I read correctly I can just put my jar or bag in a tub in a room at normal temp it will be hot enough for it to incubate ? I think I'm am going to fruit these cakes I currently have due to it will be my first time ever growing, and the syringes the strangers I have I should order some bags inoculate them then with them spawn a big mono tub . Also I'll get on making a SGFC. For the cakes I do have a fruiting chamber that did come in a small kit I previously order with these jars that is slightly modified .
Sound like I'm in the right direction ?
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cronicr



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Re: Would like some informative opinions [Re: Xxzer0xX]
#19360564 - 01/02/14 08:22 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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sounds like it post some pics of the fruiting chamber you got
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Xxzer0xX
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Re: Would like some informative opinions [Re: cronicr]
#19360669 - 01/02/14 08:51 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Sorry not the best picture. I have another 2 led lights to put in their plus a light in the room
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Would like some informative opinions [Re: Xxzer0xX]
#19360709 - 01/02/14 09:01 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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That's gonna be pretty tight for 16 cakes, not much head room either so stacking them might not be an option. I doubt that thing will give good results either. You should look into building a proper SGFC.
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elasticaltiger
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Re: Would like some informative opinions [Re: Xxzer0xX]
#19360746 - 01/02/14 09:09 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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There is so much shit in that kit that you don't need.
You do not need a heating pad. You do not need an air pump. You do not need to incubate. You can buy an even larger fruiting chamber for 8 bucks at walmart or online. The jars they include are not the optimal size. You do not need a hydroponic humidifier. You certainly only need one grow light, not two. You do not need "2 Silicone Air filtration hoses with 2 HEPA filters built in" (I have no idea what they hell this would even be used for, filtering the air in the chamber? Not really necessary) The electric timer is also unnecessary.
I dunno man. This is a lot of stuff that just isn't necessary to grow mushrooms. Don't get me wrong, it's tempting to look at fruiting chambers that use air pumps and humidifiers because they seem so high tech but the low tek stuff is tried and proven to be awesome.
If you just want some shrooms for yourself and a couple friends paying all that money just feels so unnecessary.
If you're concerned about yield then don't you want to maximize your yield per dollar spent? You can get started with monotubs for cheaper and it will probably yield more than this setup.
If you really really want to spend all that money go ahead and also feel free to come back here for help when you realize that the PMP fruiting chamber isn't giving you ideal results. Just remember, more money doesn't mean a guarantee of good results. If you don't have good sterile technique then you'll fail anyway. I hate to say it but Anne is right to an extent, there IS a certain level of skill involved in this.
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MudaFuka
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Re: Would like some informative opinions [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19361071 - 01/02/14 10:24 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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I looked at that same kit before I got started and for the price of all that useless shit you could build a fully automated walk in green house with room for like 20 of those tubs. fuck kits.
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Xxzer0xX
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Re: Would like some informative opinions [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19361077 - 01/02/14 10:25 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Grow kit is already defintely outta my head now thinking of just ordering spwan bags using my current spores on them and then eventually turn it into a few mono tubs . Who's no maybe I might even use these 16 jars I have now and use my time I do have to make a bulk substrate
Edited by Xxzer0xX (01/02/14 10:40 PM)
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MudaFuka
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Re: Would like some informative opinions [Re: Xxzer0xX]
#19361083 - 01/02/14 10:28 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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that sounds like a much better plan. Use coir for your first bulk its fairly forgiving.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Would like some informative opinions [Re: MudaFuka]
#19361100 - 01/02/14 10:31 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Coir is as forgiving as it gets. I have started sterilizing all my coir verm subs and it has not let me down.
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Xxzer0xX
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Re: Would like some informative opinions [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19361128 - 01/02/14 10:38 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Thanks a lot guys I'll be posting a grow report in the near future . Such a great community !
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