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MudaFuka
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: cronicr]
#19348304 - 12/30/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry. I didn't see the temp when I first looked carry on.
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YOmamaPr0
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: MudaFuka]
#19348346 - 12/30/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Valyr
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: YOmamaPr0]
#19349103 - 12/30/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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75 is a bit high i think. Giving that temps inside the jar are higher and mycellial growth rate slows at 80f. I keep my room at 70 and seem to get the best growth at it. For cubes anyways.
Also if you can atleast turn that heater so that it doesnt blow directly at any tubs or anything it might be good. Once you got monos in there a heater blowing at them is going to fuck your fae and humidity. Thats why tc's say to use radiant heaters but I use a ceramic myself aswell. Just try not to have the air current from it blowing too strong on anything.
There that one counts cronicr . You can go back to answering everythign again lol.
Edited by Valyr (12/30/13 11:04 PM)
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YOmamaPr0
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: Valyr]
#19349151 - 12/30/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hmm. We'll there's definitely a point of too warm but I would have to say 75F ambient temp would be perfect. Idk though. No expert. Just based on what I've read I don't see how 75F could be too high. What is the optimal ambient temperature? Might have a point though. I plan on severely upgrading my equipment once I get to the spawning stage. A lot more research to do but I'm looking forward to it.
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Valyr
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: YOmamaPr0]
#19349197 - 12/30/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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YOmamaPr0 said: Hmm. We'll there's definitely a point of too warm but I would have to say 75F ambient temp would be perfect. Idk though. No expert. Just based on what I've read I don't see how 75F could be too high. What is the optimal ambient temperature? Might have a point though. I plan on severely upgrading my equipment once I get to the spawning stage. A lot more research to do but I'm looking forward to it. 
I beleive optimal temp for fruiting mushrooms is between 74-78f (according to paul stamets mushroom cultivator). Im not sure about other stages. I just go with 70f for colonization of jars cause over the course of six grows ive tried different temps and that seems to be the sweet spot for me where I get the fastest growth.
Also keep in mind ofcourse, as previously stated, that temps inside your jars AND tubs will be higher than the ambient room temp. So if you want 75 in your jar, you want ambient 70f
This information is also for cubes. Other varieties may differ.
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KnownPown
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: Valyr]
#19350085 - 12/31/13 07:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Higher colonizing temps just make it easier for contams to form and costs more to heat. I have an oil radiator heater (better for mycology as it doesnt dry the air out as much as what you have) and I keep it in my room with my closet door open, temp at 75 (goes from 72-79 depending if on or off, automatically) and everything I have has been great!
75 is fine imo
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HypnotoadCroaked
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: KnownPown]
#19350535 - 12/31/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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KnownPown said: Higher colonizing temps just make it easier for contams to form and costs more to heat.
I am not quoting you as a specific individual, but for the information you and others provided. This is not the first time this rumor popped up.
Higher temps do accelerate the growth of contamination. Higher temps however not create nor form contamination. They have to be introduced. If you make a cake or grain totally sterile, there is no contamination. IF there is a contamination, procedures were lax. Contaminates do not just show up with it gets warm.
Its a matter of perspective. People set their jars at higher temps, and noticed that contaminants growths were accelerated. I would wager that most MSS syringes are simply not clean.
I can almost guarantee that If I take one of my jars that was inoculated with agar, and increase external temps to 85-90, I doubt I would get more than a stress reaction from the mycelium. I have no way to test it, nor would I.
We are working with totally sterile media at times. By the flip side, it is VERY easy to introduce a contamination, and most would love to be in a place with lots of food, and no competition.
This is just my impression of the contams/heat relationship. I may be totally off also.
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YOmamaPr0
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
#19351970 - 12/31/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok thank you both for your input. I believe my question has been answered.
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YOmamaPr0
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: YOmamaPr0]
#19351979 - 12/31/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok so the jars have done a good bit of growing and I think it's time for a pic update but first! Everyone says to shake grain jars at 30% blah blah blah. I understand this. Should I use some surface area calculations I learned from middle school? How do I know when jars have reached this point. Again you'll probably be able to tell from pics but just for future reference.
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cronicr



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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: YOmamaPr0]
#19351990 - 12/31/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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just use a string to measure, send it to whip and he'll do the calculations for ya or just use logic and if it looks 1/3 of the way there it's good to go NOW WHERES THE PICS
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: cronicr]
#19352157 - 12/31/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok gonna provide a nice looking post for this update! Point of growth on Friday 12/27/13 (Last week)
   
Ok so 4 days later on Tuesday 12/31/12 (New Years Eve mycelium babaayy!)
   
  
    As you can see from the first pic I provided the humidity inside the tub is relatively high! Also I dropped the temp a bit just for experimental purposes/whythehellnot. The last pic is of one of the jars. A big clump of wbs has formed at the top. It had sweat inside of jars so I'm thinking that it's created a myc ball? Lol anyways Happy New Years to everyone and I hope we all have a great year of mycology! Cheers!
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HypnotoadCroaked
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: YOmamaPr0]
#19352183 - 12/31/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So far it looks great.
Last month, I started testing every other agar xfer....which Has pretty much fucked me for time (I will elate)
Half of my jars I have been trying to get the wedge of agar down one side. The other half, I am doing the same...followed by violent shakes. My goal was to obliterate the agar wedge. Most jars are 100% after 10-15 days without another shake. Meanwhile the jars that were not agitated hit 20%.
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MudaFuka
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: YOmamaPr0]
#19352282 - 12/31/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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so farQuote:
YOmamaPr0 said: Ok gonna provide a nice looking post for this update! Point of growth on Friday 12/27/13 (Last week)
   
Ok so 4 days later on Tuesday 12/31/12 (New Years Eve mycelium babaayy!)
   
  
    As you can see from the first pic I provided the humidity inside the tub is relatively high! Also I dropped the temp a bit just for experimental purposes/whythehellnot. The last pic is of one of the jars. A big clump of wbs has formed at the top. It had sweat inside of jars so I'm thinking that it's created a myc ball? Lol anyways Happy New Years to everyone and I hope we all have a great year of mycology! Cheers! 
looking good so far. your new lower temp should keep the internal temp in your jars right in the middle of the optimum range.
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Valyr
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: MudaFuka]
#19352426 - 12/31/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thats really good growth for four days . Man I gotta get started with agar lol.
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cronicr



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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: Valyr]
#19352429 - 12/31/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Valyr said: Thats really good growth for four days . Man I gotta get started with agar lol.
not a better way to start 2014
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Valyr
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: cronicr]
#19352441 - 12/31/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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THis is true . There we go. A new years resolution. Next grow is going to be my first agar lol.
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YOmamaPr0
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: Valyr]
#19359239 - 01/02/14 03:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hello again. Hope you all had a good new years! Anyways I was wondering how you think/recommend I fruit my spawn. Ex. Monotub, autogreenhouse, etc. I'm open to all options. Whatever is gonna give me the best results overall. I've researched it quite a bit but would like to hear your opinions on the matter. *Species:KOH Samui SS*
Edited by YOmamaPr0 (01/02/14 03:51 PM)
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cronicr



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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: YOmamaPr0]
#19359286 - 01/02/14 03:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i love my mono's, and my gh's, my sgfc never lets me down....oh the choices i'll have to get back to u on that one
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: cronicr]
#19359311 - 01/02/14 04:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm personally wanting to do a monotub. Just wanting to know all the tips and tricks to a perfect monotub. I'm thinking of doing like a 60 qt or should I start smaller?
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cronicr



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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: YOmamaPr0]
#19359324 - 01/02/14 04:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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nope thats perfect, mostly all the mono teks are written around tubs that size
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