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Casing for rye spawn?
    #19357228 - 01/02/14 03:44 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Ive dug in the forums and cant find what to put over rye berries for fruiting.

I have a perlite chamber

Seems organic soil will do alright but now im seeing info on late casing?


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Re: Casing for rye spawn? [Re: Adustus]
    #19357245 - 01/02/14 03:59 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Idk the difference between grains & berries but i know u spawn rye grain to bulk not stick it in an fc like brf cakes


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Re: Casing for rye spawn? [Re: TehMyceliumMonster]
    #19357248 - 01/02/14 04:01 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Unless u mean casing an already mixed bulk sub


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Re: Casing for rye spawn? [Re: Adustus]
    #19357256 - 01/02/14 04:06 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Any regular casing mix will work fine.  Preferably 50/50+
I would spawn your ryewith equal amount of pasteurized bulk sub in a monotub
you already came this far, why not take the extra step and get a yield worth while


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Re: Casing for rye spawn? [Re: TehMyceliumMonster]
    #19357261 - 01/02/14 04:07 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Unless u mean casing an already mixed bulk sub




When I watched RRs video I thought he put a small container of rye berries for fruiting in an FC of perlite?


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Re: Casing for rye spawn? [Re: indocult]
    #19357267 - 01/02/14 04:12 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Any regular casing mix will work fine.  Preferably 50/50+
I would spawn your ryewith equal amount of pasteurized bulk sub in a monotub
you already came this far, why not take the extra step and get a yield worth while




Can half be organic sand? Then I dont need to buy verm.

I have straw and coir. That should be good enough for a sub right?

Im worried about them contaminating in a tub. So i was going to try a bulk spawn when the isolation was ready. Maybe read up on it a little more.


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Re: Casing for rye spawn? [Re: Adustus]
    #19357268 - 01/02/14 04:12 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Never watched the videos. You can do it this way. But yeilds will be better if you mix into bulk sub


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Re: Casing for rye spawn? [Re: TehMyceliumMonster]
    #19357276 - 01/02/14 04:20 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Look up straw/coir substrate teks & figure ur ratios out.

Did u already setup your holes like an sgfc?


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Re: Casing for rye spawn? [Re: TehMyceliumMonster]
    #19357281 - 01/02/14 04:22 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

That's a good idea of getting the isolate first.  That would have solved many of my issues starting out.

And no do not use sand.  it will do the opposite of what you want


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Re: Casing for rye spawn? [Re: indocult]
    #19357288 - 01/02/14 04:27 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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That's a good idea of getting the isolate first.  That would have solved many of my issues starting out.

And no do not use sand.  it will do the opposite of what you want




Ok so 50/50 werm organic soil over the berries in a perlite chamber?


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Re: Casing for rye spawn? [Re: Adustus]
    #19357462 - 01/02/14 06:59 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

I don't know about the organic soil part, that may be new info that I haven't seen yet.
the 50/50 plus im talking about Is 50% peat 50% verm 10% gypsum  and a teaspoon of hydrated lime per cup of peat.   

Ill do some searching and see if that is still a recommended recipe  its what I use when I case.

edit:what is your organic soil a mix of?


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Re: Casing for rye spawn? [Re: indocult]
    #19358720 - 01/02/14 02:01 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

see if they list the ph of the soil right on the bag


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Re: Casing for rye spawn? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19358833 - 01/02/14 02:27 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

id go with coco coir and verm with a lil gypsum.

or look into a tray.

aluminum cooking trays that are at least 2 inches deep should work fine.


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Re: Casing for rye spawn? [Re: blojo02184]
    #19360528 - 01/02/14 08:11 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

Don't late case if you're going to do straight grains... Straight grains require immediate casing to promote rhizomorphic myc.  I'd go with spawning to a bulk sub like has been recommended.

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Re: Casing for rye spawn? [Re: fahtster]
    #19362141 - 01/03/14 05:42 AM (10 years, 28 days ago)

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Don't late case if you're going to do straight grains... Straight grains require immediate casing to promote rhizomorphic myc.  I'd go with spawning to a bulk sub like has been recommended.

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Im looking to get a quick harvest from these so I can Isolate Faht.

If you were casing straight grains what would you use?

Im also in need of info on the casing measurements. Ive seen everything from cups to inches as measures. Im just doing 1 qt jar.


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Re: Casing for rye spawn? [Re: Adustus]
    #19362200 - 01/03/14 06:14 AM (10 years, 28 days ago)

I wouldn't make the casing layer more than 1/2" thick.....


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Re: Casing for rye spawn? [Re: Adustus]
    #19362205 - 01/03/14 06:18 AM (10 years, 28 days ago)

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If you were casing straight grains what would you use?





Peat/verm at 50/50 with a tablespoon or so of gypsum and half teaspoon of hydrated lime will be the right amount for a quart jar.

When casing grains, they're no longer spawn but the substrate.
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Re: Casing for rye spawn? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19362239 - 01/03/14 06:54 AM (10 years, 28 days ago)

yea no more than 1/2 inch, as low as 1/4 inch.  if u r just going for fruits to use as an isolate and not really looking for any yield at all, just do 1/3" to 1/2" as long as ur grains in the tray after leveling out are not less than 1.5"  ideally 2", get a smaller tray if u have to.  better to have a little deeper than a little wider IME.

have u seen bodhis thread with casing straight rye with coir/verm?

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19279823/fpart/1/vc/1

that might be ur best bet if u have never cased with peat before.  this will also increase ur yield more than a peat/verm casing because ur adding more nutrients/pseudo substrate

although, if ur gonna just put it on top, u might as well mix it all and go bulk, uncased!
so many options. honestly, look at it like a learning experience no matter what, u will do better next time, even if u do well this time.


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Re: Casing for rye spawn? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19363697 - 01/03/14 02:37 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

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yea no more than 1/2 inch, as low as 1/4 inch.  if u r just going for fruits to use as an isolate and not really looking for any yield at all, just do 1/3" to 1/2" as long as ur grains in the tray after leveling out are not less than 1.5"  ideally 2", get a smaller tray if u have to.  better to have a little deeper than a little wider IME.

have u seen bodhis thread with casing straight rye with coir/verm?

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19279823/fpart/1/vc/1

that might be ur best bet if u have never cased with peat before.  this will also increase ur yield more than a peat/verm casing because ur adding more nutrients/pseudo substrate

although, if ur gonna just put it on top, u might as well mix it all and go bulk, uncased!
so many options. honestly, look at it like a learning experience no matter what, u will do better next time, even if u do well this time.




Yeah no peat but I have plenty of verm and choir.

I guess well see what happens with a bit of gypsum and some verm.

I was looking at some bulk teks using coir and verm and I think that may be where my isolate will be headed. Fahtster had some great links i went through.:thumbup:

Thanks for all the help guys:thumbup:


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