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Is pf tek the best way to get started?
    #19356608 - 01/01/14 11:31 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

I just watched the 4 part video where he mixes the verm, water and brown rice flour and puts them in the jars them births them and does all that stuff. Is this the best way to get started and if done 100% correctly as the video shows how is the potency? if the potency is not the best which method is? thanks i appreciate anyone who can answer. last question is where would you get the spores?


DISCLAIMER: I am not going to grow mushrooms so feds or DEA or whatever please don't come kicking my door down. This is for curiosity purposes


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Re: Is pf tek the best way to get started? [Re: absum]
    #19356612 - 01/01/14 11:34 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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I just watched the 4 part video where he mixes the verm, water and brown rice flour and puts them in the jars them births them and does all that stuff. Is this the best way to get started and if done 100% correctly as the video shows how is the potency? if the potency is not the best which method is? thanks i appreciate anyone who can answer. last question is where would you get the spores?


DISCLAIMER: I am not going to grow mushrooms so feds or DEA or whatever please don't come kicking my door down. This is for curiosity purposes




If you're growing from MS, your potency is going to be pretty random.


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Re: Is pf tek the best way to get started? [Re: OgreLokon]
    #19356629 - 01/01/14 11:40 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Your potency will be fine. I grew about 70 MS jars and they were all about the same.  Yes this is a good way to start if you're just wanting to get some mushrooms for yourself and friends.  Don't expect to get rich off of these cakes though.

If you follow the method to the T you will succeed.  Good luck.


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Re: Is pf tek the best way to get started? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19356635 - 01/01/14 11:42 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Re: Is pf tek the best way to get started? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19356650 - 01/01/14 11:47 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Pf tek followed to the T + no shortcuts is the best way.
Dont get ahead of yourself with all the info & advanced techniques right away. Pf tek will teach u the basics & u can move on to bulk once its mastered pretty easily


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Re: Is pf tek the best way to get started? [Re: TehMyceliumMonster]
    #19356658 - 01/01/14 11:49 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

I would learn quickly how to spawn the cakes to bulk trays with coir/verm. Cakes are a bit cumbersome and messy. You'll get better yields too. You can put the trays in a sgfc just like cakes.


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Re: Is pf tek the best way to get started? [Re: happygolucky]
    #19356666 - 01/01/14 11:53 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

If you have a pressure cooker, you should definitely look into using wild bird seed (WBS) and coconut coir. It is cheap, easy, and more effective than PF cakes.

You probably get better potency from coir, but horse manure is the best


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Re: Is pf tek the best way to get started? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19357220 - 01/02/14 03:37 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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You probably get better potency from coir, but horse manure is the best




You mean best for potency or best for...? Speed of growth? I always heard that even properly pasteurized manure is more risky for contamination.  Whereas even poorly pasteurized coco coir can be contam resistant.

I still stand by what I said before.  PF Tek, followed to the letter.  Just for one grow so you can practice a little sterile technique and watch mycelium grow and learn the life cycle of mushrooms.

If I had started with horse poo I probably would have failed.  PF Tek is perfect for learning the basics and deciding if you want to get more invested in things like bulk grows.


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First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber

The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it :shrug:

Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger!
No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit.

"The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT

Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates)

Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen

Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson

EZEKIEL 23:20


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Re: Is pf tek the best way to get started? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19357284 - 01/02/14 04:25 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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You probably get better potency from coir, but horse manure is the best




You mean best for potency or best for...? Speed of growth? I always heard that even properly pasteurized manure is more risky for contamination.  Whereas even poorly pasteurized coco coir can be contam resistant.

I still stand by what I said before.  PF Tek, followed to the letter.  Just for one grow so you can practice a little sterile technique and watch mycelium grow and learn the life cycle of mushrooms.

If I had started with horse poo I probably would have failed.  PF Tek is perfect for learning the basics and deciding if you want to get more invested in things like bulk grows.



no need to compete with my suggested method.

Its not even that much harder. Forcing people to do cakes is pointless when anybody can coook up grains and pasteurize manure. Its not complicated


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Re: Is pf tek the best way to get started? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19357396 - 01/02/14 06:07 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Check out my first grows in my sig.  The first one is me following pf tek to the T.  Good luck, it's addictive (the growing part) and fun!


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Re: Is pf tek the best way to get started? [Re: SizlChest]
    #19357544 - 01/02/14 08:12 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

:thumbup: pf tek!!


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Re: Is pf tek the best way to get started? [Re: NOTFALL3N]
    #19357564 - 01/02/14 08:27 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

If you do PF it will give you the basics and a solid foundation without confusing you with anything too advanced.  Learn the lifecycle of the mushroom and once you feel you're ninja with PF, move on to bulk and monotubs.

IMO starting with the basics and building up gives you more opportunity to learn.


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Re: Is pf tek the best way to get started? [Re: Paulsage]
    #19357573 - 01/02/14 08:30 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Yep ur exactly right start there then I say move to some cakes spawned to bulk(coir) then mono tubs etc etc. good luck!


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Re: Is pf tek the best way to get started? [Re: Paulsage]
    #19357589 - 01/02/14 08:42 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Good advise, I did start with PFtek in october.
If you just follow the tek, you have a very good chance of success.
These are my first MS flushes:


The potency will depend on the genetics too. My first cakes were B+ and they really amazed me, I had 5 grams dry to try but did end up not eating them all.
Because I ordered multiple syringes, lately I tried some Z-strain and ate like 8 grams without satisfaction. The only satisfaction was the day afterwards, when I realized I did not have a hangover.
But that makes sense, when you don't go very high, you can't fall very deep.
I did get myself some rye and I'm going to get myself a monotub this year. But I'm glad I did not pass the PFtek straight away, it gave me the understanding how this part of nature works, and gave me the possibility to experiment on a small scale.
I know Cubes are Cubes, but the potency of the genetics you get does vary. So it is nice to be able to grow and test different genetics on a small scale. Even if I switch to monotubs in the future, I think the cakes will stay for experiments for sure.


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Re: Is pf tek the best way to get started? [Re: monoculture]
    #19357661 - 01/02/14 09:22 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Iv never made a cake and see no reason to. MY first grow was a little shaky. I started way to big (48 jars), the moisture content of my WBS was off, I lost a lot of jars to pink molde and bacteria and I got trich after my second flush. However even with all my mistakes I still think I got a better yield than I would have with cakes and I learned a tone.

unless you absolutely can't get a PC I see no reason not to try bulk.

if you do step up and go for bulk use coir for your first attempt. Its much more forgiving as far as pasteurization is concerned.
Good luck with what ever you try.


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Re: Is pf tek the best way to get started? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19357845 - 01/02/14 10:36 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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You probably get better potency from coir, but horse manure is the best




I have found potency correlation between properly lit grows vs dark grows, but have never found any one substrate over any other to influence potency.  Horse manure and coir are both great, but neither is going to beat the other on potency, nor will they beat brf, straw, compost, etc.
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Re: Is pf tek the best way to get started? [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19357860 - 01/02/14 10:43 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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unless you absolutely can't get a PC I see no reason not to try bulk.




QFT!

I tried cakes a few times.  I think the above statement really sums up my feelings.  Cakes require multiple daily misting while in fruiting.  Monotubs are the epitome of lazy.  The hardest part is waiting for 100% colonization....but that is something that affects cakes as well :wink:

No matter what process you choose to study, expect errors.  This is an integral part of the learning process.  We can converse on forums about this/that/the other thing, but at the end of the day the observation by the cultivator is where learning really happens. 

We can show you a bike and tell you how to ride it, but its up to you to fall off and skin your knees.  Get back up and ride, and don't be upset by failures.


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Re: Is pf tek the best way to get started? [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19357866 - 01/02/14 10:45 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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However even with all my mistakes I still think I got a better yield than I would have with cakes



So after throwing away a ton because of contams you had a better yield?
Better yield is not just making a ton, throw away most but because of the quantity get more end product than someone with a SGFC with cakes in it. You look what goes in and comes out. You can always upscale when you master the process.


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Re: Is pf tek the best way to get started? [Re: monoculture]
    #19357921 - 01/02/14 11:04 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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However even with all my mistakes I still think I got a better yield than I would have with cakes



So after throwing away a ton because of contams you had a better yield?
Better yield is not just making a ton, throw away most but because of the quantity get more end product than someone with a SGFC with cakes in it. You look what goes in and comes out. You can always upscale when you master the process.



because I used grains I was able to do G2G transfers with my healthy jars. Even after throwing out 12 jars I still ended up with exponentially more spawn in the end.


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Re: Is pf tek the best way to get started? [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19358007 - 01/02/14 11:30 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Iv never made a cake and see no reason to. MY first grow was a little shaky. I started way to big (48 jars), the moisture content of my WBS was off, I lost a lot of jars to pink molde and bacteria and I got trich after my second flush. However even with all my mistakes I still think I got a better yield than I would have with cakes and I learned a tone.

unless you absolutely can't get a PC I see no reason not to try bulk.

if you do step up and go for bulk use coir for your first attempt. Its much more forgiving as far as pasteurization is concerned.
Good luck with what ever you try.



finally someone who gets it.

You don't need to do PF tek to learn the life cycle of a fungus, that takes 10 minutes on the internet.

Bulk is reallyyy easy.

Good to know RR, about the substrate potency deal. Never knew that


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