Home | Community | Message Board

MushroomMan Mycology
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2  [ show all ]
OfflineIcyus
KavitārkikasiṃHa
Male


Registered: 11/07/13
Posts: 3,502
Loc: Inbetween.
Last seen: 8 years, 1 month
Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Shins]
    #19355077 - 01/01/14 03:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Stop your struggle and feel peace and love!


--------------------
And thus begins the  reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleEnlilMDiscord
OTD God-King
 User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 65,956
Loc: Uncanny Valley
Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Guy1980] * 1
    #19355088 - 01/01/14 03:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Not even close, dude. Cell phone voice communication alone is 2.3 trillion minutes a year.  And that's just in the u.s. Even compressed at very low quality, that would take over half an exabyte of storage per year.  Also, the quality would have to be high enough to be useful.  That doesn't even include land lines.  Further, video takes a lot more storage per minute, and cctv cameras run 24/7...


--------------------
Censoring opposing views since 2014.

Ask an Attorney

Fuck the Amish


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGuy1980
Registered: 09/11/12
Posts: 723
Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Enlil]
    #19355115 - 01/01/14 03:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Fair enough.  I was working on 10 Exabytes used to store data for 3 billion people (not everyone has a phone/email etc.).  Call it 3GB each - it seemed plenty to me.  But then I'm skewed because I don't make many calls etc.

I suppose with legislation to make certain service providers store records of customer data (texts etc) and the NSA filling the blanks, it would be possible to keep a digital history of a LOT of people.  But the blanket coverage of all comms ever does seem unrealistic now I think a bit more about it.

Further to that, just blindly recording everything would be an inefficient way of doing things.

Still, 65 mega Watts!  Another 20 of them data centres and we'll be able to travel through time.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleEnlilMDiscord
OTD God-King
 User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 65,956
Loc: Uncanny Valley
Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Guy1980]
    #19355139 - 01/01/14 03:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Cell companies don't store texts for very long.  A couple of weeks is about the outer limit.


--------------------
Censoring opposing views since 2014.

Ask an Attorney

Fuck the Amish


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGuy1980
Registered: 09/11/12
Posts: 723
Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Enlil]
    #19355171 - 01/01/14 03:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

OK, so all comms is intercepted and scored, with high scoring individuals earning the privilege of getting all their data recorded.  Is that in the realms of reality?

It's a long way from my original claim :blush:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleEnlilMDiscord
OTD God-King
 User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 65,956
Loc: Uncanny Valley
Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Guy1980]
    #19355201 - 01/01/14 03:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's possible from a storage standpoint, sure...  Still, I think you're overestimating the amount of access to information the nsa has.  Keep in mind that they have an annual budget of around 11 billion.  That's a lot to you and me, but in the grander scheme, it's not exactly a huge budget.


--------------------
Censoring opposing views since 2014.

Ask an Attorney

Fuck the Amish


Edited by Enlil (01/01/14 04:00 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGuy1980
Registered: 09/11/12
Posts: 723
Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Enlil]
    #19355349 - 01/01/14 04:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I work on the assumption (however paranoid it may be) that the NSA has access to all communication which takes place in the US.  Be it via agreement with the service provider or not, I don't think there's a great deal of information that's not monitored.

I live near Menwith Hill*, and being a bit autistic I guess I've let myself get carried away, but I've heard military "friend of a friend" stories that pre-date Snowdon. The consensus is there's no communications within range of the base that can't be intercepted and decrypted.  I'd be willing to bet that the truth isn't as paranoid as I believe, but is not as pedestrian as you believe either.

*You can bet your sweet ass that this communication is now taking up 1kB of space in Utah :laugh:.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleEnlilMDiscord
OTD God-King
 User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 65,956
Loc: Uncanny Valley
Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Guy1980]
    #19355384 - 01/01/14 04:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You're free to be paranoid, but monitoring all internet traffic wouldn't be feasible from a bandwidth or signal processing standpoint.


--------------------
Censoring opposing views since 2014.

Ask an Attorney

Fuck the Amish


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGuy1980
Registered: 09/11/12
Posts: 723
Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Enlil]
    #19355415 - 01/01/14 04:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Stop crushing my paranoia with reality!  You'll be telling me it's safe to leave the house next!

Don't forget it's not all internet traffic that needs to be monitored.  It's a trivial task to filter the Netflix, Youtube and other passive traffic.  When you strip the kittens out of the internet, the 5% that's left is more easy to analyse.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinestarfire_xes
I Am 'They'
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/24/09
Posts: 21,590
Loc: Dallas with all the assho...
Last seen: 7 months, 26 days
Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Guy1980]
    #19366477 - 01/04/14 12:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well, if you are on a CDMA system, unless 1) The carrier gives the spreading code to the government or 2) the NSA got their way back in the early 2000's and forced CDMA systems to put a 'backdoor' in the chipset so they could access a transmission, a CDMA call can't be decoded.

CDMA was originally an anti-jam/secure data link technology used by the military in the 1970's, and from that technology qualcomm introduced the CDMA cell phone system to the commercial market.

In the early 2000's, the government was trying to get a law through forcing cell phone makers of CDMA cell phones to put a hardware trap in the chips so they could intercept calls.  If that didn't happen, then cell phone calls (On CDMA systems, i.e. verizon, etc) are secure.  The other way is with the unique spreading code, and you would have to obtain a warrant to obtain the spreading code from the carrier, and the spreading code is unique for each user.

My source?  I worked as an engineer at Qualcomm for 4 years.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2  [ show all ]

Shop: PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* General Hayden on the NSA intercepts
( 1 2 all )
Phred 1,737 20 01/30/06 06:37 PM
by Falcon91Wolvrn03
* NSA has massive database of Americans' phonecalls
( 1 2 3 all )
exclusive58 2,716 44 05/18/06 05:31 AM
by exclusive58
* NSA Web Site Puts 'Cookies' on Computers Catalysis 643 2 12/30/05 06:06 PM
by zappaisgod
* Homeland Security and Microsoft Edame 597 1 08/01/03 02:36 PM
by wingnutx
* NSA has Myspace and other Social Networking sites in its midst. The_Red_Crayon 861 3 06/15/06 01:32 PM
by Penguarky Tunguin
* Microsoft and lawsuits. GabbaDjS 589 2 06/21/02 05:46 AM
by Anonymous
* Microsoft Used Pirated Software to Create Windows XP phreakyzen 823 7 11/25/04 02:31 AM
by phi1618
* If drugs were legal, would you be against NSA wiretapping (eg. Echelon)?
( 1 2 all )
Catalysis 2,150 22 05/14/06 07:13 PM
by Luddite

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Enlil, ballsalsa
1,454 topic views. 4 members, 7 guests and 2 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.023 seconds spending 0.004 seconds on 13 queries.