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Gymnopilus junonius tincture
    #19354754 - 01/01/14 01:34 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

I've got 60 grams of dried G. junonius & grain alcohol... how do I get a tincture together?






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Re: Gymnopilus junonius tincture [Re: swampyAppleseed]
    #19354833 - 01/01/14 01:56 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Dry and grind shrooms into dry powder... Get
2oz tincture dropper glass bottles and try to
Fit all the shroom matter into 4 or so.
Maybe 1/2 of the way full with shrooms
Don't know
If this is possible.... Fill bottles with grain and shake
Put in freezer as long as possible

You can also put into a heat bath repeatedly
With freezing intervals...
At that point you can strain out the shroom matter
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Re: Gymnopilus junonius tincture [Re: Hooksbookstxsf]
    #19354863 - 01/01/14 02:04 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

No telling if those are active unless you've dosed them previously.

I use this method with my highly active ps Cyans
And I can feel effects from less than a dropper full


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Re: Gymnopilus junonius tincture [Re: Hooksbookstxsf]
    #19355011 - 01/01/14 02:52 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

They're definitely actives :thumbup: so just grinded & added to the ethanol for a few hours in the freezer? I was thinking I had to heat them up in the alcohol and let 'em steep or something. That sounds easier (and safer) thank you.


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Re: Gymnopilus junonius tincture [Re: swampyAppleseed]
    #19355078 - 01/01/14 03:13 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Heres the double extraction method by Forrester heck if it can work on medicinal mushrooms why not gyms:shrug:


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A lot of people ask about this, so I decided to finally type up a little better method than you get from a google search...

So you've grown/foraged some medicinal mushrooms and now you would like to know what to do with them?  One excellent way to extract the medicinal compounds is called a double extraction.  Why?  Medicinal mushrooms contain various compounds, some that are alcohol soluble (triterpenes) and others that are water soluble (polysaccharides).  This double extraction method is a very effective way to extract both types of medicinal compounds and make sure you get the most out of your mushrooms.  (I will add some more pictures when I get to the decoction in a couple weeks)

Things you will need:  Food dehydrator, cheap coffee grinder , mason jars, alcohol (100 proof recommended) , muslin/cheesecloth (or old shirt if you don't have those), scale.

- Take your fresh mushrooms and cut/saw/rip into strips, as small as is feasible.  For reishi, 1/4" strips is fine.  For chaga, just break it up so it's small enough to fit in your food dehydrator.  Wild turkey tails you could probably leave whole.  Ganoderma applanatum and Fomitopsis pinicola will need to be sawed with a serrated blade as they are almost indestructible.  For any mushrooms I haven't mentioned, use your best judgement.

- Dry completely - cracker dry is what we're going for here.  I just run the dehydrator overnight.  If you don't have a food dehydrator this can be done in a oven on the lowest setting with the door open and a fan blowing towards it (although I haven’t personally tried this method).  Just be careful not to burn them, and I would really recommend getting a food dehydrator, it's one of the best investments I've made.  Some mushrooms may be able to be air dried, depending on your environment, but if they're not completely dry you might have trouble at the next step.  After completely dry, weigh out the amount you need.  100g should be about perfect for a quart jar for everything I know of but chaga, which will be about 180g for a quart.  These are just estimates though, don't fill the jar over 2/3 full.


- Once dry, break your mushroom slices by hand into small enough pieces to fit into your coffee grinder.  Grind into a powder.  About 20-30 seconds is all it should take, you don't want it super fine.  Dump the powder into your mason jar, any large mushroom chunks remaining just leave in the coffee grinder and process again with the next handful.  Repeat this step until your jar is about 2/3 full.  Consistency should be about like this:
 
 
- Next, pour your 100 proof alcohol into the jar until it is completely full, and all the air bubbles rise to the top.  Make sure all mushroom mass is submerged, if any of it is above the level of the alcohol it can rot and cause an off-flavor in your final product.  Shake well and make sure everything is still submerged when all bubbles have risen to the top.  Put on the lid and store in a dark place.  Shake daily, or whenever you remember.


- When you're using powdered mushrooms, as we are, you only probably need to let them soak in the alcohol for about 2 weeks, although up to 6 weeks is fine if you're not in a hurry.

- Now that your tincture is done, strain the liquid through some sort of cloth (an old, clean shirt works great), and squeeze well to get as much liquid out as possible.  Pour into a mason jar, one that has measuring increments up the side is preferable.  This is your tincture (alcohol extraction), set it aside with a lid on the jar.
   

- Now it's time for the decoction (water extraction).  Take your mushroom mass and put it in a pot for boiling.  Pour in enough water to cover the mass, plus about an inch.  Bring to a boil, and let it boil for about an hour.  If the water level runs low, add water as necessary.  When your hour is up, strain off through cloth as before, into a new vessel.  Yes it will be hot, use common sense or let it cool a bit first.
 

- I like to repeat the last step again, to make sure I've gotten everything I can from the mushrooms.  With chaga, I will repeat 2 or 3 times, because the liquid keeps coming out brown so I know I'm still getting something from it.  Combine your extractions after straining and put in a pot for boiling.  (These are your WATER extractions you're combining - not the tincture from earlier yet)

- Now all you have to do is boil down your decoction until it matches the amount of your tincture you made earlier.  If you used a quart jar and got half a quart of tincture after straining, then boil your decoction down until you have half a quart.  If you used 100 proof alcohol, your tincture will be 50% alcohol.  When you combine this with an equal amount of water from your decoction, you will end up with a double extraction that is 25% alcohol, which will last for several years.  If you used 80 proof or something else, you can use this calculator to find the volume you're looking for to reach a goal of 25% alcohol (thanks to OICU812)

The tincture is on the left, and the decoction on the right.  Combine these and you've got your double extraction.

- Store your double extraction in an amber glass bottle, or if you don't have one just make sure to protect it from light, which can degrade the medicinals over time.  A suggested dosage is 1/2tsp, (or 2.5ml) 1-3x per day.  I like to use a liquid dosing syringe, as it's easier than trying to scoop out liquid with a teaspoon.

- Be healthy, be happy!  If you see any errors in this, or have any further questions feel free to pm me.




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Re: Gymnopilus junonius tincture [Re: itsaconspiracy]
    #19355102 - 01/01/14 03:22 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Thanks, all. I've been able to do a little reading with the dial-up. Would I be silly to just expose the same powdered fruits to 2-3 runs of (maybe warm) alcohol and compile them to the jar ill evaporate from? I wanna end up with about a small shot sized dose.


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Re: Gymnopilus junonius tincture [Re: swampyAppleseed]
    #19355138 - 01/01/14 03:33 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)



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Re: Gymnopilus junonius tincture [Re: swampyAppleseed]
    #19355648 - 01/01/14 05:52 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

See the active ingredients? Jealous? Yes & yes


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Re: Gymnopilus junonius tincture [Re: swampyAppleseed]
    #19355961 - 01/01/14 07:22 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Chop em up and scoop the basters into some orange juice or whatever and chug. Dry works better when making the tea but there is a pretty noticeable different between wet and dry with gyms, they lose some activity for sure. Know how they have the kavalactone like alkaloid in them? Well what if there's other that arent identified yet in them and drying makes them non-active somehow idk but I've read this elsewhere too and also noticed it. Drink as much tea as you think you can and you'll have a blast


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Re: Gymnopilus junonius tincture [Re: Jvells]
    #19355979 - 01/01/14 07:28 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Yeah I've had both fresh & dry; fresh blowing it out of the water. But I wanna try working on a special potion!


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Re: Gymnopilus junonius tincture [Re: swampyAppleseed]
    #19356031 - 01/01/14 07:51 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Yeah I figured and don't blame yah. It just seemed like a little too much work and the directions were slightly hard to understand because there was no definite answers from people with experience doing it. If your way works please report back bro


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Re: Gymnopilus junonius tincture [Re: Jvells]
    #19370661 - 01/04/14 10:52 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Baaack. I blended the fuck outta 60 grams (cracker dry) of pictured above Gymnopilus junonius & barely submerged it in Golden Grain. I shook it as often as I remembered and let it soak 24-30 hours. I filtered the grain into a jar & re-soaked the Gym dust in more grain for another 24 or so hours. Filtered the 2nd run, combined the 2, & filtered again ooooooone more time. I poured it all into a glass pan and sat it in front of the fan until it evaporated to about 3-4 shots worth (about 2 hours) Looked kiiiinda like this:


It settled a much clearer, strange yellow, but this picture is it shaken before my dose.

I drank a little less than a 1/3 in some juice. Boy that Gym bitterness survived. I had a fun time! About a 6 outta 10 for me, and I'm a big strong boy :laugh: I think next time I'll give the tincture a lil heat during the extraction :shrug: but I'm happy with the experiment.


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Re: Gymnopilus junonius tincture [Re: swampyAppleseed]
    #19370803 - 01/04/14 11:37 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

How did it feel on your stomach? If you wanted to drink like 2/3rds and trip out hard think your stomach would handle it no problem? Thanks for reporting back too brotha it was really helpful  :thumbup:


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Re: Gymnopilus junonius tincture [Re: Jvells]
    #19370910 - 01/05/14 12:13 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

No stomach upset at all! I always get a lil queazy somethin, but not this time.  I might let the rest evaporate a little more... I think I'd rather do a 1/2shot dose


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Re: Gymnopilus junonius tincture [Re: swampyAppleseed]
    #19371826 - 01/05/14 08:47 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I think your method was sound except you need to let the alcohol extract sit for a great deal more time.  Like at least a couple of weeks.  I think that would increase potency.  I make medicinal extracts and let them steep a minimum of a month. 

BTW, those are some beautiful gyms!!


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Re: Gymnopilus junonius tincture [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #19372920 - 01/05/14 01:13 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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I think your method was sound except you need to let the alcohol extract sit for a great deal more time.  Like at least a couple of weeks.  I think that would increase potency.  I make medicinal extracts and let them steep a minimum of a month. 

BTW, those are some beautiful gyms!!



Thank you, man! I'll be trying this with my boomers soon & will let them sit at least 2 weeks


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Re: Gymnopilus junonius tincture [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #19374563 - 01/05/14 07:57 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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I think your method was sound except you need to let the alcohol extract sit for a great deal more time.  Like at least a couple of weeks.  I think that would increase potency.  I make medicinal extracts and let them steep a minimum of a month.




What kind of long term storage do you use? I'd assume they would be left in the dark since light is supposed to degrade psilocin, right?


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Re: Gymnopilus junonius tincture [Re: Dr.Tooty]
    #19378864 - 01/06/14 07:19 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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What kind of long term storage do you use? I'd assume they would be left in the dark since light is supposed to degrade psilocin, right?




Greetings Dr. Tooty.  I am using extracts right now made six months ago.  I keep them in amber and blue glass medicine dropper bottles.  The high concentration of alcohol preserves them -- perhaps for years.  Mine are mostly medicinal (reishi, shiitake extracts), but I do have a little 2 bottle test project of, shall we say, other extract.  I have not yet had occasion to sample it. My understanding is that about three tablespoons of it might be somewhat transporting.  :smile:


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Re: Gymnopilus junonius tincture [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #19379366 - 01/06/14 08:43 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

Well please let me know. Could be a method i would pick up...:thumbup:


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