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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: raceme]
    #19346472 - 12/30/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

antioxidant?

:nocomment:  :imout:


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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19347023 - 12/30/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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maynardjameskeenan said:
antioxidant?





I don't think so.


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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: raceme]
    #19348153 - 12/30/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Does it occur in a polypore or a gilled mushroom?


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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: The Lightning]
    #19349230 - 12/30/13 11:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The Lightning said:
Does it occur in a polypore or a gilled mushroom?




Neither.


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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: raceme]
    #19349308 - 12/30/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Adenosine?


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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: raceme]
    #19349829 - 12/31/13 04:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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raceme said:
Quote:

The Lightning said:
Does it occur in a polypore or a gilled mushroom?




Neither.




A parasitic ascomycete perhaps?


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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: Anglerfish]
    #19350418 - 12/31/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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maynardjameskeenan said:
Adenosine?




It is oh-so-close to adenosine.

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Anglerfish said:
A parasitic ascomycete perhaps?




Yes!


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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: raceme]
    #19351938 - 12/31/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

welp.. adenosine being close... and it missing a big ol water on the sugar part..

lets try Deoxyadenosine

lookin a bit further  pretty sure this is it
with the hydroxyl in the right position
Cordycepin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordycepin


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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #19351946 - 12/31/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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welp.. adenosine being close... and it missing a big ol water on the sugar part..

lets try Deoxyadenosine




Warmer… :cool: There are several possible deoxyadenosines.  Which do you mean?


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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: raceme]
    #19351962 - 12/31/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i edited... didn't think u were that fast lol


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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #19351973 - 12/31/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:hatsoff:


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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #19351980 - 12/31/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

lets try this:



it is involved in atp production sticking with the theme a bit

oh, and HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone.  its been a fun fall hanging around
if someone gets this go ahead and go eh... i might be 'distracted' later


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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #19352202 - 12/31/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Fumaric acid

Note: Fumaric acid is found in fumitory (Fumaria officinalis), bolete mushrooms (specifically Boletus fomentarius var. pseudo-igniarius), lichen, and Iceland moss.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fumaric_acid


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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: The Lightning]
    #19352279 - 12/31/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Alright. Here's one with a twist to the rules.

Below are two images showing the identical chemical. This chemical is a "proteinogenic amino acid".





The isolation of the above chemical was first reported by Frederick Hopkins in 1901 through hydrolysis of casein.

To get this right: You have to provide the chemical name, the chemical formula, and a species of mushroom known to have a high amount of this chemical by posting an image of the mushroom with the scientific name of the mushroom.

If you want to go for "extra credit" (i.e. awesomeness upon thyself) you can include - in plain language - the reason(s) why a chemical can be drawn in the two different ways demonstrated above.  Help one another learn.


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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: The Lightning]
    #19352620 - 12/31/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

that be tryptophan
from wiki:
Tryptophan or (2S)-2-amino-3-(1H-indol-3-yl)propanoic acid

can apparently be found in pretty high concentrations in Flammalina velutipes, which i didn't know, but just found a patch growing out back three, four days ago...


http://wholefoodcatalog.info/nutrient/tryptophan/mushrooms/


the two portrayals of the molecule are because one represents it two dimensionally, and the second ball one is trying to make a 3D

i knew i forgot something
C11H12N2O2


Edited by RuralAnomaly (12/31/13 08:15 PM)


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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #19352701 - 12/31/13 08:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:hatsoff:

Tryptophan is the correct chemical, and it's been reported in high quantities in the edible/medicinal mushroom Flammulina velutipes (= Enoki, Enokitake).

Why would we want to see the molecular structure in 3-dimension and 2-dimension? Is anything added or subtracted in showing either of these versions of the chemical?

You're up! :hatsoff:


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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: The Lightning]
    #19354039 - 01/01/14 09:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

The Lightning said:

Why would we want to see the molecular structure in 3-dimension and 2-dimension? Is anything added or subtracted in showing either of these versions of the chemical?

You're up! :hatsoff:




hmm in the flat representation, the double/triple bonds (to me) are easier to see and the ring structures more recognizable, however the 3D can try to account for twisting and chirality.

its too early to try to go explaining more of that and i'm sure i'd blow it.

next up!


this is toxic, and i think its interesting if for no other reason than its little three carbon ring, but there are lots of other reasons for it to be groovy.

i'm going to be traveling soon so hints might be sparse to non-existant

plz do keep playing if you get it, its sorta well known?


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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #19354165 - 01/01/14 10:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'll ask for two hints at one time:

1. Is it a mycotoxin?
2. If not, what class and order is the chemical found in (in the Kingdom Fungi)?



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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: The Lightning]
    #19354291 - 01/01/14 11:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yers, its a mycotoxin, and in commonly found gilled mushrooms

Kingdom: Fungi
Subkingdom: Dikarya
Phylum: Basidiomycota
Subphylum: Agaricomycotina
Class: Agaricomycetes
Order: Agaricales


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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #19354399 - 01/01/14 11:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I need another hint.


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