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Crystal G



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Do Vaccines Cause Autism?
#19353624 - 01/01/14 03:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I personally don't think they do, but what do you all think? Got any evidence to back up what you think?
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koraks
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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: Crystal G] 1
#19353630 - 01/01/14 03:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No. Do we need to go over all this again? I don't see the point. It's been discussed here at length. I've written pages about the supposed, unlikely and unproven relationship between mercury-containing preservatives such as thiomersal (which is no longer used in the vast majority of vaccines anyway) and autism spectrum disorders. Look it up.
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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: koraks]
#19353632 - 01/01/14 03:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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koraks said: No. Do we need to go over all this again? I don't see the point. It's been discussed here at length. I've written pages about the supposed, unlikely and unproven relationship between mercury-containing preservatives such as thiomersal (which is no longer used in the vast majority of vaccines anyway) and autism spectrum disorders. Look it up.
Thanks. I think it's bunk, because all you'd have to do is look at autism rates between vaccinated vs unvaccinated children to see there is no causation.
But can you link to the stuff you posted, anyway? I'm sort of debating with somebody about it now and I could use the sources.
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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: Crystal G] 1
#19353637 - 01/01/14 03:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12604322/fpart/1/vc/1 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11167862/fpart/1/vc/1
I think the first one is the one in which I dived the deepest.
TL;DR: ASD just wasn't diagnosed a few decades ago, but due to how mental healthcare changed, the number of diagnoses rose sharply (i.e. we diagnose people with ASD these days and quite likely we even overdiagnose, while in the past, someone with ASD was just considered awkward and it was left at that). At the same time, more emphasis was put on vaccination regimes, and vaccinations rose sharply too. One had nothing to do with the other, but retards say one caused the other.
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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: koraks]
#19353639 - 01/01/14 03:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont know what causes but someones needs to figure it out cause that shit is on the rise like crazy
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Especially since every parent of kid with that diagnosis gets an SSI crazy check.
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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: Crystal G]
#19353656 - 01/01/14 04:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, and no.
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i know someone with aspergers and his brother had autism
aspergers is a catagory but after a certain age they don't classify it as a disorder
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koods
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No and no.
It was a decent hypothesis. They even went as far as removing mercury from the single dose vaccines. Rates were not affected. It is about as clear as result as you'll ever see in science, but some people's egos cannot accept that their pet theory did not pan out.
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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: Crystal G]
#19353762 - 01/01/14 05:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Crystal G said: I personally don't think they do, but what do you all think? Got any evidence to back up what you think?
The only evidence that was ever for it was celebrity endorsement and weak correlation, something that absolutely does not mean causation unless you think organic food also causes autism.
 http://www.cracked.com/blog/dont-listen-to-jenny-mccarthy/
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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: NotTheDevil]
#19353770 - 01/01/14 05:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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We need to ban that shit.
Wait...no. Autism causes people to buy organic food.
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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: koods]
#19353774 - 01/01/14 05:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: We need to ban that shit.
Wait...no. Autism causes people to buy organic food. 
Of course, hippies are autistic!
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koraks
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1slow2v said: I dont know what causes but someones needs to figure it out cause that shit is on the rise like crazy
Errr...yeah...but is it really? Compare to the history of ADHD; I think we can safely assume that ADHD has been with humanity for at least centuries. It was first described in 1902 as a distinct phenomenon, but there's no reason to believe it wasn't present in a portion of the population before that. Since 1902, the incidence of ADHD has been estimated to be between 1% and 16% of the population (see here: http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/timeline.html). What do you think, does the incidence of ADHD vary wildly in the population due to some magical effect? Was there no ADHD before 1902? I think it's quite obvious that the answer is 'no' to both: the variations are due to changes in diagnostics and definitions. Any changes in actual incidence (if existent at all) are buried deeply beneath this effect.
For autism, exactly the same effect applies. It was described very neatly here: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-increase-in-autism-diagnoses-two-hypotheses/ TL;DR: changes in definitions have created a substantial apparent rise in the incidence of autism, while any actual rise (if present at all) simply isn't visible due to this.
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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: Crystal G]
#19353853 - 01/01/14 07:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: vinsue]
#19353876 - 01/01/14 07:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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vinsue said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_McCarthy#Autism_activism... . . . 
Pretty lady is probably responsible for the deaths of many children who died of diseases their parents did not get them because they decided to listen to her. She's a despicable person.
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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: vinsue]
#19353880 - 01/01/14 07:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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vinsue said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_McCarthy#Autism_activism... . . . 
I wonder if she breast fed her kid through her fake titties.
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Silicon cause autism. Or salt water.
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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: koods]
#19353886 - 01/01/14 07:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The thing that pisses me off about these mercury fanatics, is that they are so wrapped up in their egos, they have lost sight of what their original goal was — to prevent autism. They are doing nothing but harm to that cause by continuing to insist that people focus on their pet cause.
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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: koods]
#19353930 - 01/01/14 07:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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wtf is in the vaccines tho
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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: seadragon]
#19353937 - 01/01/14 08:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tiny tracking chips to monitor your movements and activities.
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