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OfflineCrystal G
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Do Vaccines Cause Autism?
    #19353624 - 01/01/14 03:22 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

I personally don't think they do, but what do you all think? Got any evidence to back up what you think?


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #19353630 - 01/01/14 03:27 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

No. Do we need to go over all this again? I don't see the point. It's been discussed here at length. I've written pages about the supposed, unlikely and unproven relationship between mercury-containing preservatives such as thiomersal (which is no longer used in the vast majority of vaccines anyway) and autism spectrum disorders. Look it up.


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: koraks]
    #19353632 - 01/01/14 03:29 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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No. Do we need to go over all this again? I don't see the point. It's been discussed here at length. I've written pages about the supposed, unlikely and unproven relationship between mercury-containing preservatives such as thiomersal (which is no longer used in the vast majority of vaccines anyway) and autism spectrum disorders. Look it up.




Thanks. I think it's bunk, because all you'd have to do is look at autism rates between vaccinated vs unvaccinated children to see there is no causation.

But can you link to the stuff you posted, anyway? I'm sort of debating with somebody about it now and I could use the sources.


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #19353637 - 01/01/14 03:33 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12604322/fpart/1/vc/1
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11167862/fpart/1/vc/1

I think the first one is the one in which I dived the deepest.

TL;DR: ASD just wasn't diagnosed a few decades ago, but due to how mental healthcare changed, the number of diagnoses rose sharply (i.e. we diagnose people with ASD these days and quite likely we even overdiagnose, while in the past, someone with ASD was just considered awkward and it was left at that). At the same time, more emphasis was put on vaccination regimes, and vaccinations rose sharply too. One had nothing to do with the other, but retards say one caused the other.


Edited by koraks (01/01/14 03:34 AM)


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: koraks]
    #19353639 - 01/01/14 03:38 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

I dont know what causes but someones needs to figure it out cause that shit is on the rise like crazy


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19353648 - 01/01/14 03:48 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Especially since every parent of kid with that diagnosis gets an SSI crazy check.


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19353656 - 01/01/14 04:00 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Yes, and no.


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19353660 - 01/01/14 04:06 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

i know someone with aspergers and his brother had autism

aspergers is a catagory but after a certain age they don't classify it as a disorder


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS] * 1
    #19353701 - 01/01/14 04:33 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

No and no.

It was a decent hypothesis. They even went as far as removing mercury from the single dose vaccines. Rates were not affected. It is about as clear as result as you'll ever see in science, but some people's egos cannot accept that their pet theory did not pan out. :shrug:


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19353762 - 01/01/14 05:17 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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I personally don't think they do, but what do you all think? Got any evidence to back up what you think?



The only evidence that was ever for it was celebrity endorsement and weak correlation, something that absolutely does not mean causation unless you think organic food also causes autism.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/dont-listen-to-jenny-mccarthy/


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #19353770 - 01/01/14 05:27 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

We need to ban that shit.

Wait...no. Autism causes people to buy organic food. :yesnod:


Edited by koods (01/01/14 05:28 AM)


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: koods]
    #19353774 - 01/01/14 05:29 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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We need to ban that shit.

Wait...no. Autism causes people to buy organic food. :yesnod:



Of course, hippies are autistic!


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS] * 2
    #19353777 - 01/01/14 05:31 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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I dont know what causes but someones needs to figure it out cause that shit is on the rise like crazy



Errr...yeah...but is it really? Compare to the history of ADHD; I think we can safely assume that ADHD has been with humanity for at least centuries. It was first described in 1902 as a distinct phenomenon, but there's no reason to believe it wasn't present in a portion of the population before that. Since 1902, the incidence of ADHD has been estimated to be between 1% and 16% of the population (see here: http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/timeline.html). What do you think, does the incidence of ADHD vary wildly in the population due to some magical effect? Was there no ADHD before 1902? I think it's quite obvious that the answer is 'no' to both: the variations are due to changes in diagnostics and definitions. Any changes in actual incidence (if existent at all) are buried deeply beneath this effect.

For autism, exactly the same effect applies. It was described very neatly here: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-increase-in-autism-diagnoses-two-hypotheses/ TL;DR: changes in definitions have created a substantial apparent rise in the incidence of autism, while any actual rise (if present at all) simply isn't visible due to this.


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19353853 - 01/01/14 07:00 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)



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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: vinsue]
    #19353876 - 01/01/14 07:22 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_McCarthy#Autism_activism... :super: . . . :peace:




Pretty lady is probably responsible for the deaths of many children who died of diseases their parents did not get them because they decided to listen to her. She's a despicable person.


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: vinsue]
    #19353880 - 01/01/14 07:24 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_McCarthy#Autism_activism... :super: . . . :peace:




I wonder if she breast fed her kid through her fake titties.


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #19353882 - 01/01/14 07:25 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Silicon cause autism. Or salt water.


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: koods]
    #19353886 - 01/01/14 07:28 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

The thing that pisses me off about these mercury fanatics, is that they are so wrapped up in their egos, they have lost sight of what their original goal was — to prevent autism. They are doing nothing but harm to that cause by continuing to insist that people focus on their pet cause.


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: koods]
    #19353930 - 01/01/14 07:59 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

wtf is in the  vaccines tho


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: seadragon]
    #19353937 - 01/01/14 08:06 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Tiny tracking chips to monitor your movements and activities.


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: seadragon]
    #19353939 - 01/01/14 08:07 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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wtf is in the  vaccines tho




A weakened version of the virus or disease causing agent that isn't strong enough to make you sick but teaches your immune system how to fight it off.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #19353944 - 01/01/14 08:12 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

oye ..thats it?


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #19353950 - 01/01/14 08:16 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

24 vaccinations in the first 15 months of life.  Sounds totally safe.


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: lowbrow]
    #19353959 - 01/01/14 08:24 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Clearly children were far safer back in the days before vaccines.


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: lowbrow]
    #19353966 - 01/01/14 08:29 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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24 vaccinations in the first 15 months of life.  Sounds totally safe.



wtf?


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: seadragon]
    #19354030 - 01/01/14 09:08 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

There are two reasons humans live twice as long as they did 100 years ago: the Haber process and vaccines.


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: koods]
    #19354045 - 01/01/14 09:17 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: Icyus]
    #19354110 - 01/01/14 09:44 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

I'm not arguing that vaccines do or don't cause autism, but I do believe more thorough research is needed on the long term effects of injecting children with so much stuff. This is a good video if you can sit still for 45 minutes...




Also, this link contains links to a variety publications about studies on this issue...

22 Medical Studies That Show Vaccines Can Cause Autism


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: trampis]
    #19354113 - 01/01/14 09:46 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
Quote:

seadragon said:
wtf is in the  vaccines tho




A weakened version of the virus or disease causing agent that isn't strong enough to make you sick but teaches your immune system how to fight it off.



Yeah...dead virus material basically. That and preservatives. The thiomersal that has now all but disappeared from the vaccines was a preservative.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm

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trampis said:
I'm not arguing that vaccines do or don't cause autism, but I do believe more thorough research is needed on the long term effects of injecting children with so much stuff.



Research is always good, but be aware that human vaccines are so phenomenally well researched in terms of short and long term effects that it is questionable how much more thoroughly you'd want to research them.


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: koraks]
    #19354393 - 01/01/14 11:37 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

And, even if there were cases of autism linked to vaccines, their benefit is so overwhelming, that it wouldn't change much.

I find it interesting that, while people still push the vaccine theory without any data to back it up, there is something that has a very strong correlation with increased autism rates - the age of the parents. But of course, that puts the "blame" squarely on the people who chose to have a child in their late 30s and not a big pharmaceutical firm.


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Edited by koods (01/01/14 11:44 AM)


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: koraks]
    #19354414 - 01/01/14 11:43 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)



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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #19354434 - 01/01/14 11:51 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

My age group was the last one to get mandatory smallpox vaccinations in the US. Everyone younger than me has no immunity. Suckers.


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: koods]
    #19354469 - 01/01/14 12:00 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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There are two reasons humans live twice as long as they did 100 years ago: the Haber process and vaccines.



I think development of germ theory (of which vaccines can be said to be a product of) has a greater claim to extending human life span--vaccines reduce our chances of being taken out before i'm 20, but they don't increase my chance of living from 70 to 100.

I also disagree on the claimed role of the haber process--but i'll let the sit on the back burner for now.


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: koods]
    #19354474 - 01/01/14 12:01 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Personally I don't think so. I chalk it up to shitty genetics. We only have one severe case in my family. Sweet girl but raising her was a huge challenge for both parents. Even more so when my uncle died of cancer. Yup my spunk has cancer and autism who wants to father my little shits.


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: Mescalean]
    #19354500 - 01/01/14 12:10 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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koods said:
I find it interesting that, while people still push the vaccine theory without any data to back it up, there is something that has a very strong correlation with increased autism rates - the age of the parents. But of course, that puts the "blame" squarely on the people who chose to have a child in their late 30s and not a big pharmaceutical firm.



Could also just be down to genetics. But it's an interesting hypothesis.


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19354501 - 01/01/14 12:11 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Quote:

koods said:
There are two reasons humans live twice as long as they did 100 years ago: the Haber process and vaccines.



I think development of germ theory (of which vaccines can be said to be a product of) has a greater claim to extending human life span--vaccines reduce our chances of being taken out before i'm 20, but they don't increase my chance of living from 70 to 100.

I also disagree on the claimed role of the haber process--but i'll let the sit on the back burner for now.




Antibiotics


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #19354507 - 01/01/14 12:12 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

The real answer, of course, is oil.


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: koods]
    #19354509 - 01/01/14 12:13 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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koods said:
My age group was the last one to get mandatory smallpox vaccinations in the US. Everyone younger than me has no immunity. Suckers.




If smallpox is ever used by terrorists or in warfare...


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: koraks]
    #19354516 - 01/01/14 12:15 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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koraks said:
The real answer, of course, is oil.




Exponential human population expansion couldn't have happened without it. That's true.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #19354524 - 01/01/14 12:20 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

What about advancement in agricultural techniques and technology


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: Mescalean]
    #19354532 - 01/01/14 12:23 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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What about advancement in agricultural techniques and technology



All brought to you by...oil.


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: koraks]
    #19354553 - 01/01/14 12:31 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Thank you oil <3


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #19354674 - 01/01/14 01:10 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
Quote:

koraks said:
The real answer, of course, is oil.




Exponential human population expansion couldn't have happened without it. That's true.




That statement definitely applies to the Haber process. However, without oil and natural gas, which is a feed stock for making ammonia, it would have been difficult to produce as much fertilizer.


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: koods]
    #19354822 - 01/01/14 01:54 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

I daclare all em doodles to weird and screwed for logicism! Be abliss, he said.


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: Icyus]
    #19355684 - 01/01/14 06:00 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

well i thought chances of being a parent of someone with autism was like 1 in 10 once you reached 40


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: Konyap]
    #19355687 - 01/01/14 06:01 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Again with the doodling...


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Re: Do Vaccines Cause Autism? [Re: Icyus]
    #19355729 - 01/01/14 06:10 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

:tard:


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