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am i addicted to psychedelics
    #19353570 - 01/01/14 02:51 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

I have been tripping every sat for a real long time, usually on mushrooms, lately once a month i do something special. Like jedi flipping, mescal, super heroic doses like maoi with 8gs+, and most recently oral dmt. When i tell my friends i explain that its my form of therapy, since i get to talk to "the spirit in the sky" and everything.

  But is this just an excuse, and am i actually addicted to traditional psychs ?

Maybe is just drugs changing my thinking and justifying the use of them or maybe im just over thinking it

I do know i have a strong addictive personality been strung out bad on shit before but that is all in the past i wont touch those drugs again all i do now is psychedelics


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19353586 - 01/01/14 03:02 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Maybe it's become a habit of your's, but you're not physically addicted.


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: schwarg]
    #19353592 - 01/01/14 03:05 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Are you talking to the spirit? Is the spirit revealing positive things to you? Do you intend to use what you learn to help others and are able to do so ? Have you been able to dedicate time and money to your ventures with spending too much time or money ? Are you content?


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: schwarg]
    #19353595 - 01/01/14 03:06 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Yea i know im not psychically but im wondering if mentally come Fri all i can think about is what should i do sat

And if i pull being on call for work on a sat im all spaced out and feel as if i cant think straight for the next week


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19353602 - 01/01/14 03:09 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Im content and seems to only be affecting my life positively except for making me more introverted and crab like


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19353615 - 01/01/14 03:16 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Introversion is an under valued trait. People are often largely inconsistent, inconsiderate, and spiritually depraved. As for the fiending on Friday- practice being in the now. Obsessive thought patterns of using are a sign of addiction, but they're also just a natural primitive response to events that are good/pleasure able for us. Just remember the less you wear yourself out with obsessing Friday, the more frisky and energetic you'll be Saturday. The spirit likes high energy!


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: lot_justice]
    #19353625 - 01/01/14 03:23 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Yea maybe im just excited and enjoy it

I use to not be able to quit thinking about kayaking and other stuff if i new it was around the corner but the problem is well not necessarily a problem but i dont even plan the other stuff now


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: lot_justice]
    #19353635 - 01/01/14 03:31 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Also on introversion; a lot of it can arise from social situations of our times. I don't know your situation but I'd assume there are people you can't divulge your love of psychs to because they don't understand that psychs aren't like hard drugs such as heroin, and they may rat you out.

If kayaking was the new pattern of behavior taking over your previous love of psychs would you be worried that you were addicted to kayaking? Write out the list of benefits you were getting from the other activities that you valued. You may find they're still being met by some action in your routine, you no longer value the benefit over the cost of pursuing, or that you really are missing it and need make a conscious effort to perform the activity


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: lot_justice]
    #19353638 - 01/01/14 03:36 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Nah everyone i hangout with knows my love for them


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19353665 - 01/01/14 04:08 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

It's called a honeymoon phase. I'm going through a second, myself.

It'll pass.

You're not addicted to psychedelics, not physically.


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: lot_justice]
    #19353690 - 01/01/14 04:28 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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Introversion is an under valued trait. People are often largely inconsistent, inconsiderate, and spiritually depraved. As for the fiending on Friday- practice being in the now. Obsessive thought patterns of using are a sign of addiction, but they're also just a natural primitive response to events that are good/pleasure able for us. Just remember the less you wear yourself out with obsessing Friday, the more frisky and energetic you'll be Saturday. The spirit likes high energy!





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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: Enjoywho]
    #19353717 - 01/01/14 04:45 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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Introversion is an under valued trait. People are often largely inconsistent, inconsiderate, and spiritually depraved. As for the fiending on Friday- practice being in the now. Obsessive thought patterns of using are a sign of addiction, but they're also just a natural primitive response to events that are good/pleasure able for us. Just remember the less you wear yourself out with obsessing Friday, the more frisky and energetic you'll be Saturday. The spirit likes high energy!





:rolleyes:




Yeah, that just about sums that up.

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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: Enjoywho]
    #19353773 - 01/01/14 05:28 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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Introversion is an under valued trait. People are often largely inconsistent, inconsiderate, and spiritually depraved. As for the fiending on Friday- practice being in the now. Obsessive thought patterns of using are a sign of addiction, but they're also just a natural primitive response to events that are good/pleasure able for us. Just remember the less you wear yourself out with obsessing Friday, the more frisky and energetic you'll be Saturday. The spirit likes high energy!





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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS] * 1
    #19353879 - 01/01/14 07:24 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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I have been tripping every sat for a real long time, usually on mushrooms, lately once a month i do something special. Like jedi flipping, mescal, super heroic doses like maoi with 8gs+, and most recently oral dmt. When i tell my friends i explain that its my form of therapy, since i get to talk to "the spirit in the sky" and everything.

  But is this just an excuse, and am i actually addicted to traditional psychs ?

Maybe is just drugs changing my thinking and justifying the use of them or maybe im just over thinking it

I do know i have a strong addictive personality been strung out bad on shit before but that is all in the past i wont touch those drugs again all i do now is psychedelics




if the tripping is causing problems for you, and yet you continue to dose out of habit despite those negative consequences, then yes according to definition there's some addiction going on.  if you are comfortably functional in life, are showing no signs of psychosis, do not withdrawal when off the drug, then addiction isn't a fitting term.  You can obsess all you want about when your next trip is going to be but that doesn't change anything.  You're just fat in the head.


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: lot_justice]
    #19353897 - 01/01/14 07:38 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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Are you talking to the spirit? Is the spirit revealing positive things to you? Do you intend to use what you learn to help others and are able to do so ? Have you been able to dedicate time and money to your ventures with spending too much time or money ? Are you content?




Good thing to question yourself about

There are spirits that are helpful and spirits that will drain your energy and pretend to be helpful

The spirit of the mushroom is usually helpful, but only if you do your own work before tripping
eating healthy, grounding yourself, no other drugs before / during tripping i.e.
having an intention to heal yourself/help others etc.

The bad spirits will tell you anything you want to hear to make you feel good, but you never feel better next day from it

addiction: if you cant go a week without the drug
if it interferes with your social life, work or normal being

the learning is after the trip for me, but I have tripped once a week before too

usually only of half the dose you take, it sounds like a very high dose... wouldnt expect to be back to my usual self after a week with that dose

mind and body feels best without adding anything to it


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: lessismore] * 1
    #19353999 - 01/01/14 08:55 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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mio said:
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lot_justice said:
Are you talking to the spirit? Is the spirit revealing positive things to you? Do you intend to use what you learn to help others and are able to do so ? Have you been able to dedicate time and money to your ventures with spending too much time or money ? Are you content?




Good thing to question yourself about

There are spirits that are helpful and spirits that will drain your energy and pretend to be helpful

The spirit of the mushroom is usually helpful, but only if you do your own work before tripping
eating healthy, grounding yourself, no other drugs before / during tripping i.e.
having an intention to heal yourself/help others etc.

The bad spirits will tell you anything you want to hear to make you feel good, but you never feel better next day from it

addiction: if you cant go a week without the drug
if it interferes with your social life, work or normal being

the learning is after the trip for me, but I have tripped once a week before too

usually only of half the dose you take, it sounds like a very high dose... wouldnt expect to be back to my usual self after a week with that dose

mind and body feels best without adding anything to it




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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: MisterSandman]
    #19354061 - 01/01/14 09:25 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

you'll get over it

i used to eat shrooms 3 times a week, and 2c-x on the days that I didn't.


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: morrowasted]
    #19354284 - 01/01/14 10:57 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Yea maybe, not sure if  hope so or not


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19354388 - 01/01/14 11:36 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

You aren't addicted, you are fixated


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: Enjoywho]
    #19354634 - 01/01/14 12:58 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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mio said:
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lot_justice said:
Are you talking to the spirit? Is the spirit revealing positive things to you? Do you intend to use what you learn to help others and are able to do so ? Have you been able to dedicate time and money to your ventures with spending too much time or money ? Are you content?




Good thing to question yourself about

There are spirits that are helpful and spirits that will drain your energy and pretend to be helpful

The spirit of the mushroom is usually helpful, but only if you do your own work before tripping
eating healthy, grounding yourself, no other drugs before / during tripping i.e.
having an intention to heal yourself/help others etc.

The bad spirits will tell you anything you want to hear to make you feel good, but you never feel better next day from it

addiction: if you cant go a week without the drug
if it interferes with your social life, work or normal being

the learning is after the trip for me, but I have tripped once a week before too

usually only of half the dose you take, it sounds like a very high dose... wouldnt expect to be back to my usual self after a week with that dose

mind and body feels best without adding anything to it




:facepalm:



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lot_justice said:
Introversion is an under valued trait. People are often largely inconsistent, inconsiderate, and spiritually depraved. As for the fiending on Friday- practice being in the now. Obsessive thought patterns of using are a sign of addiction, but they're also just a natural primitive response to events that are good/pleasure able for us. Just remember the less you wear yourself out with obsessing Friday, the more frisky and energetic you'll be Saturday. The spirit likes high energy!





:rolleyes:





I must've missed the meeting which dictated that 2014 is to be a descent into ineffective communication, and that a condemning smiley is a worthwhile response to long posts. It's alright to disagree, but do us a solid and take the time to draw out which points of the argument you disagree with and why. Otherwise, aside from the aesthetic beauty of the smileys, which you probably did not, yourself, create, you're white noise.


The idea of there being certain spirits that lie to you and spirits that help you is an interesting approach. I also thought of it moreso as if there are spirits lying to you, spirits which don't have an aura that you can trust, you had reached the last defenses of the ego. Some Egyptian beliefs concerning death believed that the soul of the recently deceased has to survive an overnight journey in a hostile realm. The journey consisted of traveling through several gates, each which had its own gatekeeper. No matter how tricky you tried to be, the gatekeeper will always manage to snatch you up as you try to pass through. Just as you are in his grasps, a second away from being devoured whole, you have to look the monster in the face and say something along the lines of, "I've met you many, many times before. I know who you are. Your name is _______"

The spirits which lie to you aren't spirits in the cosmic sense. They are the enforcers of your ego. They are often the demons which re-occur in your life. They are personal. If you encounter them on the trip and are able to laugh in their face as they threaten to devour you, sending you into terror, and call them out, they recede and you can experience ego death.


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19354658 - 01/01/14 01:07 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

2013 all I did was take L and sniff blow. Not in the same night usually but ya mostly every week sometime take L twice a week. This lasted for maybe 8 months ? Don't worry homes, you'll get bored soon enough


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: lot_justice]
    #19354663 - 01/01/14 01:08 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: KT-BC]
    #19354676 - 01/01/14 01:11 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

As another extreme enthusiast to another, I really hope you don't ever get bored. Not a lot of people can handle this stuff in the first place. Many others can't handle it on the regular. It takes a special person to communicate with the spirits in the first place. I wish good fortune your way man. The spirits always need a good connect here on Earth. As public property sings,

"Oh my people, we got some work to do."


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: lot_justice]
    #19354725 - 01/01/14 01:24 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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I must've missed the meeting which dictated that 2014 is to be a descent into ineffective communication, and that a condemning smiley is a worthwhile response to long posts. It's alright to disagree, but do us a solid and take the time to draw out which points of the argument you disagree with and why. Otherwise, aside from the aesthetic beauty of the smileys, which you probably did not, yourself, create, you're white noise.


The idea of there being certain spirits that lie to you and spirits that help you is an interesting approach. I also thought of it moreso as if there are spirits lying to you, spirits which don't have an aura that you can trust, you had reached the last defenses of the ego. Some Egyptian beliefs concerning death believed that the soul of the recently deceased has to survive an overnight journey in a hostile realm. The journey consisted of traveling through several gates, each which had its own gatekeeper. No matter how tricky you tried to be, the gatekeeper will always manage to snatch you up as you try to pass through. Just as you are in his grasps, a second away from being devoured whole, you have to look the monster in the face and say something along the lines of, "I've met you many, many times before. I know who you are. Your name is _______"

The spirits which lie to you aren't spirits in the cosmic sense. They are the enforcers of your ego. They are often the demons which re-occur in your life. They are personal. If you encounter them on the trip and are able to laugh in their face as they threaten to devour you, sending you into terror, and call them out, they recede and you can experience ego death.




Sounds to me like you've been listening to way too much Terrence Mckenna. There are no "Mushroom Spirits" or any other kind of spirits for that matter. If you can provide any sort of solid scientific evidence then maybe we can talk.

You took psychedelic drugs, the compounds interacted with certain receptors, you saw pretty colors, your perception was altered etc etc. There is no need to bring a bunch of hocus pocus into it.

Do you even know what the ego actually is? Without the ego you could not function in day to day life. You seem to have a pretty big "ego" though if we are going by your definition, in fact I find that a lot of new age shamans have pretty large "egos"


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: MisterSandman] * 2
    #19354753 - 01/01/14 01:34 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Terrence Mckenna, never heard more than two sentences from him. And yes, the new age shamans should have large egos because as you said, the ego is needed to function practically in the lower realms. Takes a large ego to be a shaman with a cause. You can be a quiet shaman, yes, but a lot of people think that the Earth is at a critical point and that the patterns of large numbers of people need to be changed. There are different methods of going about this, and being a loud mouthed, manipulative, ego heavy shaman is one of these ways.

it's not so much the size of the ego but the ability to suspend it at will to cross over into the other realm, but even then you need a minimal amount of ego to comprehend the visions you are seeing and this is why a shaman's heart outright stops (that is, until it does.)

As for the spirits not existing, you're wrong bud. I see and talk to the spirits even when I don't take psychs. I have existed outside of linear time twice, where I got into some shit that can't even enter the language signification chain. You want some scientific evidence? Go out and find it for yourself. There are people working on it in the realm of science. There are people who want to and can't get the funding, or can't do the research because it involves clearance to experiment with psychedelic drugs. There are most definitely scientists out there with a direct link to the spirit doing his/her work. The role I'm to play doesn't involve rocking the beaker.


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: lot_justice]
    #19354797 - 01/01/14 01:47 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Terrence Mckenna, never heard more than two sentences from him. And yes, the new age shamans should have large egos because as you said, the ego is needed to function practically in the lower realms. Takes a large ego to be a shaman with a cause. You can be a quiet shaman, yes, but a lot of people think that the Earth is at a critical point and that the patterns of large numbers of people need to be changed. There are different methods of going about this, and being a loud mouthed, manipulative, ego heavy shaman is one of these ways.

it's not so much the size of the ego but the ability to suspend it at will to cross over into the other realm, but even then you need a minimal amount of ego to comprehend the visions you are seeing and this is why a shaman's heart outright stops (that is, until it does.)

As for the spirits not existing, you're wrong bud. I see and talk to the spirits even when I don't take psychs. I have existed outside of linear time twice, where I got into some shit that can't even enter the language signification chain. You want some scientific evidence? Go out and find it for yourself. There are people working on it in the realm of science. There are people who want to and can't get the funding, or can't do the research because it involves clearance to experiment with psychedelic drugs. There are most definitely scientists out there with a direct link to the spirit doing his/her work. The role I'm to play doesn't involve rocking the beaker.




Oh my god, I don't even know where to begin.....I hope you are a troll. You've provided some pretty good evidence in that last paragraph, I can't argue with that.

Large numbers of people need to be changed? How so? I'm assuming you are one of those people who thinks everyone should take psychedelics and those who don't are not as "enlightened". Are there shitty people out there? Of course. Most people are decent human beings just going about life in their own way. Is the Earth at a critical point? Maybe. But the people who are going to actually do something about it are most certainly not going to be a bunch of new age shamans.

Oh you've seen and talked to them, well then they must be real and not just a manifestation of your psychy. :thisfuckinguy:

The scientist who are experimenting with psychedelic drugs are most certainly not looking for spirits:facepalm:


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: lot_justice]
    #19354819 - 01/01/14 01:53 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)



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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: MisterSandman]
    #19354912 - 01/01/14 02:20 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Maybe 1 in 3 people should take psychs; A lot of people lose their shit and a lot tip over the deep end and can no longer be functional. Still, psychedelics are a powerful meme to abuse. Drugs are cool. Kids think drugs are cool, despite their dangers. Let's associate spirituality with the use of psychs and figure a way to control common conceptions on how to properly use psychs (perhaps go lax on the amount of churches who can use peyote or aya in rituals and make membership available to people who are 18 nation wide; the idea is to create a system in which their eventual use of psychs is somewhat structured). Perhaps other first world countries could adopt our system if it seems to work. All of sudden we have people becoming active in a spiritual community at a young age, most likely, sort of back doored into doing this under the vague pretense that "man I'm going to see some wild shit and get fucked up and it's legal!"

As for the scinetists, they aren't looking for spirits but they're destroying harmful negative rumors about psychs. They're finding members of aya churches who take the stuff on the regular and have been doing so for a long time are of better health than the general population. They're finding these things might regenerate brain cells after trauma, or that they may help people get over their trauma without long term intervention. And if this information keeps rolling out and is reported accurately, I believe that my ratio of only one in three should use psychs will waiver. A lot of the bad trips are probably fed by instilled fear arising from lies


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: lot_justice]
    #19354968 - 01/01/14 02:39 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

That's the thing. Anything can be mentally addictive, even picking your nose. But physical addiction to psychedelics? Generally, no. But phenethylamines might be addictive.


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: MisterSandman]
    #19354970 - 01/01/14 02:40 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Return to the abyss from whence you came :wizard:




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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: lot_justice]
    #19354982 - 01/01/14 02:43 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Addicted to psycadellics? So what? It thiS worsening your life?


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: lot_justice]
    #19355027 - 01/01/14 02:56 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

1 in 3 should take psychs:lol: How do you know who should and shouldn't take psychs? We should associate spirituality with psychs and figure a way to control common conceptions on how to properly use psychs? :uhno: We shouldn't associate anything with psychs, they are neither good or bad, they just are. There are a few basic rules of thumb when tripping and that information is readily available. There is no right or wrong way to use psychedelics. Maybe I do just want to drop some acid and go party, who are you to tell me I can't just "get fucked up"? If people want to sit in a dark room in the lotus position and eat mushrooms while they read the Tibetan book of the dead then by all means go ahead and do that, but please do not tell me that is somehow superior to how others choose to consume their drugs.

Most of what you said in the last paragraph is true, and it has nothing to do with your hocus pocus shaman nonsense. Do psychedelics have potential medicinal and psychotheraputic uses? Yes and we are beginning to understand more about them thanks to cold hard science not the fucking mushroom spirit.

You are not receiving any sort of objective knowledge from extradimensional beings, it's all in your head, and that is the beauty of it! The fact that a few milligrams of some powder can so drastically alter your consciousness is amazing in and of itself and there is no need to add any sort supernatural nonsense to the mix, it is already amazing.


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: MisterSandman]
    #19355045 - 01/01/14 03:04 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Bad vibes man...


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: Icyus]
    #19355062 - 01/01/14 03:08 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Bad vibes man...




Oh wonderful, as if the shaman wasn't enough, now I have to deal with the Arch Mage:huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: MisterSandman]
    #19355075 - 01/01/14 03:11 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Sorry for thinking better of something, but I would adwise to be happy.... I find it mlre enjoyable...


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: Icyus]
    #19355089 - 01/01/14 03:17 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: MisterSandman]
    #19355440 - 01/01/14 04:52 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

i think addiction is about your life becoming unmanageable and having an array of negative effects following the substance use


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19355462 - 01/01/14 04:56 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

I'd have to say if you're asking this question, then you're not intelligent enough to get anything useful from psychedelics anyway, and should stay clear. Focus on other things.


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    #19355472 - 01/01/14 04:59 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

I for one like what lot justice has to say


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: MisterSandman]
    #19355490 - 01/01/14 05:03 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Tbh I don't think its wise to look at these things in a purely analytical, scientific way. The problem is theres no other rational way to look at it. At least that we know of. Science has many limitations that I think we are yet to realise. It can't address anything that exists outside of time and space, and yet we KNOW that things exist outside of that. Its full of contradictions and loop holes and its always changing and improving, so I think to rule something out entirely just because it can't be understood by 'science' is shortsighted.

Having said that, I think this is pretty much bang on.

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The fact that a few milligrams of some powder can so drastically alter your consciousness is amazing in and of itself and there is no need to add any sort supernatural nonsense to the mix, it is already amazing.




I'm skeptical of there being anything metaphysical attached to these drugs, but I'm also skeptical of science having all the answers. Theres more to reality than science, or these drugs can tell us. And at the same time, I think both of these things can tell us A LOT about reality. Just my 2p.


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: Chowder963]
    #19355545 - 01/01/14 05:22 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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I'd have to say if you're asking this question, then you're not intelligent enough to get anything useful from psychedelics anyway, and should stay clear. Focus on other things.



I would have to say if yo couldnt see questioning it your to close minded to get the full experince of psychs and should also stay clear


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19355579 - 01/01/14 05:33 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Yeah, I'm close minded for telling the guy who thinks he's addicted to psychedelic drugs that he's not mentally stable/intelligent enough to use them properly, totally.

Also no, I've never feared being addicted to LSD or magic mushrooms, I guess I'm just a close minded idiot. I would understand if you were asking if they were habit forming and if anyone just really enjoyed doing them more than average, but asking if you are addicted, means you don't fully understand the drugs you are doing, and are most likely very young or just unintelligent overall.


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19355587 - 01/01/14 05:36 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Mister sandman- Quotes Hunter S Thompson for his profile; belittles those who believe that hallucinogens have their own spirits (Thompson writes of his experiences with Pablito in Screwjack; pablito stems first from Casteneda's books about Don Juan who is a shaman who supposedly performed some very strange feats of sorcery. Pablito is the name Don Juan gives to the spirit of Peyote, the spirit which visits only some who partake in eating peyote. Pablito isn't a particularly kind spirit, but he/she will teach you how to correctly live your life.)


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: Chowder963]
    #19355593 - 01/01/14 05:38 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Yeah, I'm close minded for telling the guy who thinks he's addicted to psychedelic drugs that he's not mentally stable/intelligent enough to use them properly, totally.

Also no, I've never feared being addicted to LSD or magic mushrooms, I guess I'm just a close minded idiot. I would understand if you were asking if they were habit forming and if anyone just really enjoyed doing them more than average, but asking if you are addicted, means you don't fully understand the drugs you are doing, and are most likely very young or just unintelligent overall.





OP I wouldn't worry too much about having your intelligence slammed by a self-described "Pigeon Fucker" The Shroomery has a lovely button called "ignore user"


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: lot_justice]
    #19355612 - 01/01/14 05:43 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

So you're doubting my inteligence based on certain aspects of my sexuality? If so than please explain the different levels of intelligence among gay/bi/asexual/heterosexual people for me please, also include gender based analysis on each.


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19355621 - 01/01/14 05:46 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

do you have a job and your own place to live?
do you see your friends and family?
what do you love/love doing in life?

that will answer your question

it is true that psychedelics can often skew our thoughts, to make us think it is ok to trip every 3 days, and perhaps even do other drugs at the same time
so the question is not stupid IMO

but they are not the worst drugs usually, they seem to be self-regulating
after egodeath it slows down usually
when overdone they seem to become boring to many people so they usually stop/or due to bad trips


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: lessismore]
    #19355642 - 01/01/14 05:50 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Using the word addiction is incorrect. So just because someone likes to smoke weed all the time, they are addicted to weed? No, that sounds stupid, they have created a strong habit. They are choosing to out of boredom/enjoying the feeling and wanting to feel it again. There is no chemical imbalance in the brain causing craving, and the body has not become dependent.

I'm moreso just stabbing at his incorrect phrasing of the question, I know what he means, which is still idiotic. It does show he shouldn't really be using them though.


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: Krackatus]
    #19355677 - 01/01/14 06:00 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Tbh I don't think its wise to look at these things in a purely analytical, scientific way. The problem is theres no other rational way to look at it. At least that we know of. Science has many limitations that I think we are yet to realise. It can't address anything that exists outside of time and space, and yet we KNOW that things exist outside of that. Its full of contradictions and loop holes and its always changing and improving, so I think to rule something out entirely just because it can't be understood by 'science' is shortsighted.

Having said that, I think this is pretty much bang on.

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The fact that a few milligrams of some powder can so drastically alter your consciousness is amazing in and of itself and there is no need to add any sort supernatural nonsense to the mix, it is already amazing.




I'm skeptical of there being anything metaphysical attached to these drugs, but I'm also skeptical of science having all the answers. Theres more to reality than science, or these drugs can tell us. And at the same time, I think both of these things can tell us A LOT about reality. Just my 2p.




See now that, I can live with :nodofunderstanding: Science does not have all the answers, I agree. There is nothing wrong with exploring all the potential options. What bothers me is when someone like lot_justice declares that he is 100% that there are spirits that communicate with you through psychedelics, that annoys the shit out of me because the truth is YOU DO NOT KNOW  nobody does.


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Re: am i addicted to psychedelics [Re: lot_justice]
    #19355697 - 01/01/14 06:04 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Mister sandman- Quotes Hunter S Thompson for his profile; belittles those who believe that hallucinogens have their own spirits (Thompson writes of his experiences with Pablito in Screwjack; pablito stems first from Casteneda's books about Don Juan who is a shaman who supposedly performed some very strange feats of sorcery. Pablito is the name Don Juan gives to the spirit of Peyote, the spirit which visits only some who partake in eating peyote. Pablito isn't a particularly kind spirit, but he/she will teach you how to correctly live your life.)




Way to completely ignore my response and nitpick:facepalm: Yes I enjoy Hunter S. Thompson's writing, I think he was an interesting guy. That being said I don't agree with every single thing he ever did or said.

Oh an PS you should read this little book called Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. In the famous wave speech Thompson more or less takes a giant dump on the "psychedelic movement".


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