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OfflineMurex
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The future of Tool
    #1935312 - 09/20/03 01:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)


I think that Tool will dive into digital, at least a little bit in the band's future.

I think Danny Carrey and Danny Lohner have some influance to lead Tool in that direction.

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Re: The future of Tool [Re: Murex]
    #1935363 - 09/20/03 01:52 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

well there is that digital kit that danny's site keeps talking about.... that could lead to infinite possibilities.


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Re: The future of Tool [Re: Blastrid]
    #1935431 - 09/20/03 02:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, Danny (C) also collects old synthesizers (but I don't know if he plays them).


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Re: The future of Tool [Re: Murex]
    #1935583 - 09/20/03 03:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

what do you mean 'dive into the digital' ?

the recording / mixing process will naturally evolve like it has been, but are you referring to something else?


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Re: The future of Tool [Re: Grav]
    #1935665 - 09/20/03 04:25 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

i think the digital reference here is implying further use of synth/electronic sounds in tools music.. i know danny has something similar to a roland spd-20.. you can assign samples to pads and play them from there.. i know adam uses a foot synth for some sounds too.. so they could easily ass a little more..


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Re: The future of Tool [Re: starseed]
    #1935900 - 09/20/03 06:13 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I could see tool and a lil bit of digital... i would still listen


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Re: The future of Tool [Re: Fungushungry]
    #1936137 - 09/20/03 07:56 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Has anyone heard any news from their next album? I doubt theyve started since maynard has been with a perfect circle lately but has anyone heard anything?


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Re: The future of Tool [Re: soulflyer]
    #1936394 - 09/20/03 10:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

i could see them doing something really unexpected like getting heavy as fuck again... or getting more tribal, sorta like picking up where triad left off.

whatever it is, i'm sure it will be spectacular


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Re: The future of Tool [Re: Murex]
    #1936487 - 09/20/03 11:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

What is happening with Tapeworm?  That stuff Maynard was doing with Trent Reznor.

God, we will have to wait years for the next TOOL album. :frown:

And I don't much like APC, Maynard should be spending more time where he belongs with TOOL! 


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Re: The future of Tool [Re: Murex]
    #1937225 - 09/21/03 05:51 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

TOOL went digital years ago when they started working w/ David Bottrill on Aenima, using 2" tape to Pro Tools.

i?m sure most would agree there is a big difference between Undertow and Aenima.

an old MIX magazine article:

It began with a phone call from Los Angeles. Bottrill recalls with humor and irony how his involvement with the band Tool came about.
?Funnily enough, they called and asked if I would work on [their new album] and they sent me their ?Opiate? [EP] and ?Undertow? record. I listened to them and thought ?I?ve never done anything like this before... why would this kind of American metal band be sending me things when all I?ve done was English art-rock music?? At first I thought they had me confused with someone else, so I spoke to them and asked if they were sure they had the right guy. As it turned out, Danny [Carey], the drummer, was a HUGE King Crimson fan and Adam [Jones] the guitar player?s favorite album had been ?The First Day.?

The singer, Maynard [James Keenan] was a huge Real World music fan. A lot of the stuff I worked on happened to be their favorites even though they were musically doing different things. They thought I wasn?t an ?American rock producer? but they figured they already knew what area they wanted and that I would bring something else to their music. So I met them in Los Angeles, sat in on one of their rehearsals and right away, we hit it off. It was an exciting rehearsal despite the fact that I sat beside Danny?s ride cymbal, which kind of made me deaf by the end of the day. They knew what I could do, they knew what they and their fans wanted, so I went along with their confidence.?
For the most part, Tool creates a genre of music that is their very own. Its fabric contains threads of epic, progressive dark compositions, yet weaves in ethereal and mathematical structures. At times the thematic content deals with ?disgustipation?, oppression, struggle, rebirth and self-realization. Even though their strange biomechanic arachnid tapestry of sound makes them perfect for post-production tinkering such as sequencing and editing, Bottrill dispenses an ironical fact. ?They?re extremely well thought out. Nothing was done to a click track or through a computer. It was all live with overdubs.?
For almost four months Bottrill and the band incubated themselves in Ocean Way and The Hook studios in regional Los Angeles before eventually sealing themselves at Larrabee for the mixing stage. From the first track ?Stinkfist?, with its crescendo, one is immediately brought into a spacious yet well defined environment, especially with the lively drum sounds. Bottrill reveals his modus operandi, ?One of the things on that record, as well as with other rock bands I work with, is that I?ll get a small PA in the same room as the drummer and place it behind him facing forwards. The close mic?d signals that are on the kit?s snare, tom and kick are run through the well-EQ?d PA so you get this added volume and weight. When you use your ambient mics they pick up the PA so it becomes overall a much bigger sound with an exaggerated volume. Danny also had extra programmed electronic sounds that would play along with his drumming so we put those through the PA as well so the sounds gelled more together with the kit.? The capturing of the chromatic guitars was done in a logical manner as well, allowing organics to be the backbone for the calculating song structures. ?[The] guitars generally took multiple takes, doubling and tripling with different guitars so as to allow for tonal changes by featuring different guitars as opposed to EQing differently for different sections.

When scrutinizing the credits of many Bottrill-related projects, one might also discover that he has provided a touch of his own musicianship. Take for instance Peter Gabriel?s Passion. He is credited for providing ?drone?. Perhaps the most peculiar example of his involvement as a musician lies within the morbidly dark and humoristic track from ?nima entitled ?Message To Harry Manback?. The track features delicate, sparse and melodic piano playing with atmospheric beach sounds, which ironically is accompanied by? a death threat. Bottrill reminisces, ?It was me playing the piano. The threatening Italian person was leaving a real answer phone message on Maynard?s roommate?s machine. Basically it was from a guy who had recently been kicked out of the house for being the guest from hell.?
The manner in which Bottrill deals with natural sounds via his world music experience combined with dexterity in the high-tech realm suggests that he should be dubbed as a ?World Engineer?, one that merges the ?best of both worlds? for which the Tool project acts as a bonafide example of. And Bottrill agrees. He considers ?nima as a monument that rests on his curriculum vit? as a producer, engineer and mixer.





^^^^^ the fifth Member...


also, Danny and David used several synths on Aenima and Lateralus,
among them a Roland MC-505 (!) and this:



another article... (2001)

Despite the lengthy wait, production time for Lateralus added
up to a mere four months, according to producer David Bottrill.  The
English resident paid periodic visits to the U.S. starting in early
2000, trekking with the band to Hollywood?s Cello Studios (the same
location at which Aenima was solidified).  Lateralus was, for the
most part, recorded in sizable chunks, as evidenced by two of the
album?s adjunct tracks in particular, ?Parabol? and ?Parabola.?
The other noteworthy suite on the new disc is the album?s
climactic 22-minute overture, featuring the sister
songs ?Disposition,? ?Reflection? and ?Triad.?  The first two were
recorded in the same breath, while the band chose to tack on the
aptly titled latter track afterwards.
Size is a central concern for the Bob Ludwig-mastered
Lateralus.  Maximizing the potential of a single disc to its fullest
capacity, drummer Danny Carey explains to ICE that while Tool set out
to create an album that would guide the listener through an
engrossing aural journey, ?We didn?t go out and say, ?Let?s write
eight- and nine-minute songs for the whole record.??  While he?s
content with the final outcome, Carey admits, ?It would?ve been nice
if some of [the songs] had turned out shorter, just for variety.  But
once the songs are in the process of being written, they take on a
life of their own and you just gotta be as true to it as you possibly
can.?
Carey reflects on the recording process as ?more relaxed?
than with past albums, though producer Bottrillreveals to ICE that
impending manager- and label-related lawsuits added ?turbulence? to
the project.  Carey asserts, however, that ?On past albums, we felt
imprisoned, although that?s a little bit strong of a word.  We always
wanted to be able to play everything live, just like we did on our
records.
?We kind of let go of that [on Lateralus].  Adam [Jones,
guitarist] did more experimenting with his guitar tones and layering,
and Maynard [James Keenan, vocalist] did the same . . . he put a lot
more harmonies on here that he wouldn?t be able to pull off live.  I
was really happy that we broke out of that purist thing.?
Bottrill views Lateralus as ?a natural progression from
Undertow.  Things like ?Sober? invited you into the strange world of
Tool, Aenima took it a step further and said, ?Well, c?mon, you may
as well journey with us.?  This [Lateralus] is another page along
the way.?  Bottrill does cite a conscious effort on the part of Tool
to ?break the mold.  Without people like Tool and Radiohead to break
the mold, we?re left with what?s on the radio.?
Which, according to Bottrill, leaves much to be desired.  He
identifies a large aggregate of young adults and teens that have yet
to experience alternate forms of rock music, and predicts that
Lateralus will act as a startling eye-opener: ?I think a lot of the
older people that are their fans from before will get what they?re
expecting.  And people who are old Sabbath and Zeppelin fans will
understand it.
?But I think it?ll just wake up a lot of kids to what you can
do musically and still have it work as a song.  It doesn?t
necessarily have to conform to the verse/chorus/verse format, that
sort of thing.  You can develop structure and mood without having to
conform to length and classical structure.?
Bottrill and believes that it?s Tool?s fierce emphasis on
musicianship that separates them from today?s other hard rock and
metal contenders.  However, he recognizes that the band?s deep-seated
attachment to musicianship could, if not corralled, lead to a
progressive-rock sound.  ?The difference I find with Tool,? Bottrill
says, ?is that they?re not as esoteric as [prog-rock].  Their style
is still powerful; it has mystery, but it still invites you [in]. 
Whereas [prog] is all about musicianship, it?s all about the
esotericness of the piece.  It pushes people away a bit more; you
have to be studied to understand it.  You don?t have to be studied to
understand Tool.?
As Tool fans know, the band?s album and song titles are
frequently swapped at Tool?s discretion right up until the day of the
album?s release.  Lateralus, for example, was originally titled
Systema Encephale [sic], while the title track itself, according to
Bottrill, ?was called ?987? because of the time signatures.?
As for the future, Carey is confident that fans won?t be left
destitute for another five years.  In fact, Tool already has an
album?s worth of undeveloped material leftover from Lateralus.  ?I
could see the next record coming in two or three years,? he says,
?unless we take on something huge, like try to do the next Wall. 
Which is a possibility . . . I think we?re the ones to step up and do that.?
:oogle:

i have heard from a reliable source that the next TOOL has already been written,
and sessions are set for Spring of 2004.

if you would like TOOL to play at your next special event,
contact the Richard De La Font Agency, serious bookings only...
i believe the going rate for a TOOL show is $250,000.

http://www.delafont.com/music_acts/tool.htm (terrible bio)


 


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Re: The future of Tool [Re: Middleman]
    #1937264 - 09/21/03 07:01 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Very interesting articles, and now I'm even more excited about the next album...I better start saving...perhaps I can pay for a Tool show for my 40th birthday...


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Re: The future of Tool [Re: Middleman]
    #1938695 - 09/21/03 09:29 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, I'm aware of the 'machine' and the synths they have used. I was refering to something that is more or less used when they play live. I think Danny will have more cool digital drum things and maybe a synth to play himself (?), and maybe more digital effects in general for the whole band. It's just a theroy thow.



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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



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Re: The future of Tool [Re: Murex]
    #1938768 - 09/21/03 09:57 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

...I don't see how they are going to top Lateralus,seriously,how do you evolve above and beyond something that deep on so many levels,they basically perfected everything until it was so refined that its like art.

They go through different kinds of phases,kind of like how STP did.

I really liked Undertow,it was so heavy,alot of people labeled it as grunge(closest genre to it),but really it was an experiment in utter depth,it was like,beyond metal,I can't describe it.

Whatever they do next,is gonna be great though.


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