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Friend prices for a lb of shrooms
    #19351621 - 12/31/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

How much would you sell a pound of shrooms for to your friends in a world where this was legal and totally ok. Completely hypothetical!


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: underfliptown]
    #19351626 - 12/31/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

lol, I bet this will get closed.


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19351628 - 12/31/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

I hope not. It's just a totally hypothetical situation I am proposing. Nothing illegal here.


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: underfliptown]
    #19351633 - 12/31/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

It would depend on how cheap the other guy was selling mushrooms for in this world that doesn't exist.

idk, 800 a pound:shrug:


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: underfliptown] * 1
    #19351639 - 12/31/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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underfliptown said:
How much would you sell a pound of shrooms for to your friends in a world where this was legal and totally ok. Completely hypothetical!



Legal and totally OK? Its un entertaining hypothetical only until you realize what commercial bulk prices are for shitaki or buttons. I think it would be well under $10 for a dried pound and probably around the same for a fresh pound. With prohibition the price of a substance has little to nothing with its inherent value to produce but with the risks that make it worth the chance of being captured and thrown in prison. In a world where its legal and OK they're worth nothing more than shitakis and probably more than buttons, but even that's a damn stretch, they might actually be easier to produce than buttons and so cost even less.


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19351646 - 12/31/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

QPs are 400, so 1600 minus a discount so like 1400 to 1500. Friendly price, 1250$


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19351653 - 12/31/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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underfliptown said:
How much would you sell a pound of shrooms for to your friends in a world where this was legal and totally ok. Completely hypothetical!



Legal and totally OK? Its un entertaining hypothetical only until you realize what commercial bulk prices are for shitaki or buttons. I think it would be well under $10 for a dried pound and probably around the same for a fresh pound. With prohibition the price of a substance has little to nothing with its inherent value to produce but with the risks that make it worth the chance of being captured and thrown in prison. In a world where its legal and OK they're worth nothing more than shitakis and probably more than buttons, but even that's a damn stretch, they might actually be easier to produce than buttons and so cost even less.



I disagree, I think they would at least a bit more valuable than your run of the mill edible varieties.

I mean, just because a drug is legal doesn't mean its thatt dramatic of a value reduction.


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19351658 - 12/31/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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underfliptown said:
How much would you sell a pound of shrooms for to your friends in a world where this was legal and totally ok. Completely hypothetical!



Legal and totally OK? Its un entertaining hypothetical only until you realize what commercial bulk prices are for shitaki or buttons. I think it would be well under $10 for a dried pound and probably around the same for a fresh pound. With prohibition the price of a substance has little to nothing with its inherent value to produce but with the risks that make it worth the chance of being captured and thrown in prison. In a world where its legal and OK they're worth nothing more than shitakis and probably more than buttons, but even that's a damn stretch, they might actually be easier to produce than buttons and so cost even less.



I disagree, I think they would at least a bit more valuable than your run of the mill edible varieties.

I mean, just because a drug is legal doesn't mean its thatt dramatic of a value reduction.



Unless its taxed to high heaven like alchohol that is exactly what it means. If marijuana was legal and untaxed as a drug 50 pound bales would be roughly as valuable as hay. Its literally only prohibition that makes any drug valuable at all.


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19351659 - 12/31/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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just because a drug is legal doesn't mean its thatt dramatic of a value reduction.





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and playing along, between $800-$1000 as a rough estimate


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19351671 - 12/31/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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How much would you sell a pound of shrooms for to your friends in a world where this was legal and totally ok. Completely hypothetical!



Legal and totally OK? Its un entertaining hypothetical only until you realize what commercial bulk prices are for shitaki or buttons. I think it would be well under $10 for a dried pound and probably around the same for a fresh pound. With prohibition the price of a substance has little to nothing with its inherent value to produce but with the risks that make it worth the chance of being captured and thrown in prison. In a world where its legal and OK they're worth nothing more than shitakis and probably more than buttons, but even that's a damn stretch, they might actually be easier to produce than buttons and so cost even less.



I disagree, I think they would at least a bit more valuable than your run of the mill edible varieties.

I mean, just because a drug is legal doesn't mean its thatt dramatic of a value reduction.



Unless its taxed to high heaven like alchohol that is exactly what it means. If marijuana was legal and untaxed as a drug 50 pound bales would be roughly as valuable as hay. Its literally only prohibition that makes any drug valuable at all.




It still takes a lot of TLC to grow quality bud. I would imagine hydroponic and most indoor grows would still be at least $5/gram.


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19351677 - 12/31/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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How much would you sell a pound of shrooms for to your friends in a world where this was legal and totally ok. Completely hypothetical!



Legal and totally OK? Its un entertaining hypothetical only until you realize what commercial bulk prices are for shitaki or buttons. I think it would be well under $10 for a dried pound and probably around the same for a fresh pound. With prohibition the price of a substance has little to nothing with its inherent value to produce but with the risks that make it worth the chance of being captured and thrown in prison. In a world where its legal and OK they're worth nothing more than shitakis and probably more than buttons, but even that's a damn stretch, they might actually be easier to produce than buttons and so cost even less.



I disagree, I think they would at least a bit more valuable than your run of the mill edible varieties.

I mean, just because a drug is legal doesn't mean its thatt dramatic of a value reduction.



Unless its taxed to high heaven like alchohol that is exactly what it means. If marijuana was legal and untaxed as a drug 50 pound bales would be roughly as valuable as hay. Its literally only prohibition that makes any drug valuable at all.



that is straightup illogical to me.

Like one guy said, it costs more to produce. And because it is simply more valuable.


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: schwarg]
    #19351690 - 12/31/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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It still takes a lot of TLC to grow quality bud. I would imagine hydroponic and most indoor grows would still be at least $5/gram.



It it were actually fully legal I can't imagine there would be any hydro or indoor except done by hobbiest similar to home brewers. A single farmer with a combine harvester can cover 5000 acres of wheat fields or corn fields. MJ would be produced the same way. Any indoor would be something a hobbiest grew because they enjoyed it or it was some special thing to them in some way, not because they could save money on it, they couldn't, they'd lose money but its worth it to them for the pleasure of watching it grow or whatever.


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19351703 - 12/31/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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It still takes a lot of TLC to grow quality bud. I would imagine hydroponic and most indoor grows would still be at least $5/gram.



It it were actually fully legal I can't imagine there would be any hydro or indoor except done by hobbiest similar to home brewers. A single farmer with a combine harvester can cover 5000 acres of wheat fields or corn fields. MJ would be produced the same way. Any indoor would be something a hobbiest grew because they enjoyed it or it was some special thing to them in some way, not because they could save money on it, they couldn't, they'd lose money but its worth it to them for the pleasure of watching it grow or whatever.



you think nobody would do commercial hydro grows?

That too is weird to me. But I don't know much about hydro or growing large scale


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: underfliptown] * 1
    #19351712 - 12/31/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

In a free market, supply and demand determines the price. How free is the market really though.  You have to account for things like medical value, ease of production and taxability. IMO psilocybes would be more valuable than shiitake because of their mind expanding properties. Probably about a $800-1000 for a friend is a good price in this world you speak of.


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19351726 - 12/31/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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you think nobody would do commercial hydro grows?

That too is weird to me. But I don't know much about hydro or growing large scale



They'd lose their shirt if it was actually a free market. Paying for electricity and nutes is the biggest cost. One of those is free from the sun. It only ever was prohibition that put it indoors. I used to run 4 1000 watt lights on flip boxes, I know those 700 a month electric bills. I did it and know the expenses involved. The sun is free. The soil is rich and fertilizer especially chemical fertilizer is cheap. Its the power thats expensive. And if can add all the improvements of agricultural science to it in a legal and free market there really is no reason anyone would ever grow inside except as a personal hobby because it could only lose money as a means of production for commercial sales.


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #19351743 - 12/31/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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In a free market, supply and demand determines the price. How free is the market really though.  You have to account for things like medical value, ease of production and taxability. IMO psilocybes would be more valuable than shiitake because of their mind expanding properties. Probably about a $800-1000 for a friend is a good price in this world you speak of.



OPs hypothetical presumes a free and legal environment. Cubes are easy to grow. I can't think of any reason they'd be more expensive unless it was for testing to determine their standard psilocybin content and that would be be cheap as any soil analysis. No, you are in prohibition thinking. Without danger of being captured and put in prison psilocybes are not more valuable than edibles and I can think of no reason they should be.


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19351756 - 12/31/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

ya a p of fungus is around a 1000 here too..... give or take a bit depending on the seller


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: P-O]
    #19351782 - 12/31/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)


2.50E for that bag apparently in Gili Trawangan, just don't get caught smoking weed :lol:


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: P-O]
    #19351786 - 12/31/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Jeez, a pound of mushrooms selling for $1k means that each trip (if you trip an eighth) is less than $8. That's a snag if I've ever seen one.

Less than some of the street prices I've seen for a tab.


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19351793 - 12/31/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

I'd do 10lb for $10,000



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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19351819 - 12/31/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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In a free market, supply and demand determines the price. How free is the market really though.  You have to account for things like medical value, ease of production and taxability. IMO psilocybes would be more valuable than shiitake because of their mind expanding properties. Probably about a $800-1000 for a friend is a good price in this world you speak of.



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rbalzer said:
you think nobody would do commercial hydro grows?

That too is weird to me. But I don't know much about hydro or growing large scale



They'd lose their shirt if it was actually a free market. Paying for electricity and nutes is the biggest cost. One of those is free from the sun. It only ever was prohibition that put it indoors. I used to run 4 1000 watt lights on flip boxes, I know those 700 a month electric bills. I did it and know the expenses involved. The sun is free. The soil is rich and fertilizer especially chemical fertilizer is cheap. Its the power thats expensive. And if can add all the improvements of agricultural science to it in a legal and free market there really is no reason anyone would ever grow inside except as a personal hobby because it could only lose money as a means of production for commercial sales.



that makes a lot more sense. thank you for that


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19351822 - 12/31/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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schwarg said:
It still takes a lot of TLC to grow quality bud. I would imagine hydroponic and most indoor grows would still be at least $5/gram.



It it were actually fully legal I can't imagine there would be any hydro or indoor except done by hobbiest similar to home brewers. A single farmer with a combine harvester can cover 5000 acres of wheat fields or corn fields. MJ would be produced the same way.





schwagg would be produced that way, it's hard to tend to a single acre if you
want some decent bud, sure there will be more in the market and that could
drive prices but you can already see that the prices havent come down much if
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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19351843 - 12/31/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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schwagg would be produced that way, it's hard to tend to a single acre if you
want some decent bud, sure there will be more in the market and that could
drive prices but you can already see that the prices havent come down much if
any on the bud in states where it's legal/medical




True story.  Keeping 5000 acres seed-free would be impossible.


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19351867 - 12/31/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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schwagg would be produced that way, it's hard to tend to a single acre if you
want some decent bud, sure there will be more in the market and that could
drive prices but you can already see that the prices havent come down much if
any on the bud in states where it's legal/medical



There are no states where weed is actually unregulated and traded as a commodity. These medical things just gave illicit suppliers the cover they need to not worry excessivly about getting sent to prison. In an actual free market they would all starve. In a free market monsanto would be the go to company for GMO all female seeds and those 5000 acre fields would be the dankest sinsimilla buds of them all. Obviously that is not the case under prohibition, even in medical or so called "less illegal" states. The truth is no one wants a free market. As it is now in medical states everyone makes money and generally profits, whereas if it were legal and a mere commodity ot would be much harder to make a living in it.


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19352069 - 12/31/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

$1000. Price wouldnt change to much if made legal. Maybe a little cheaper.


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: highc] * 1
    #19352163 - 12/31/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

If they were completely legal and not subject to any special "drug" taxation, I would expect market prices to come down quite a lot, to the point where the largest scale producers would be selling for a fairly modest margin. I don't know enough about the cost of production to say where that point would be but I would expect a dramatic difference. The effect of legal risk on commodity prices is huge.


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: psi]
    #19352197 - 12/31/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Once the weed market is free it will be very similar to the beer market (and awesome). If Monsanto can turn out a quality product, more power to them. Bud Light is the most common beer in America, but the only AB Inbev products I purchase are Bourbon County Brand, and I will continue to buy them. They will never be as cheap as Bud Light due to the cost to produce, just as top-shelf weed will always cost a fair amount to produce.

Shrooms should be very cheap if legal. They are incredibly cheap to produce a top-quality product. The same cannot be said with weed.


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19352321 - 12/31/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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rbalzer said:
you think nobody would do commercial hydro grows?

That too is weird to me. But I don't know much about hydro or growing large scale



They'd lose their shirt if it was actually a free market. Paying for electricity and nutes is the biggest cost. One of those is free from the sun. It only ever was prohibition that put it indoors. I used to run 4 1000 watt lights on flip boxes, I know those 700 a month electric bills. I did it and know the expenses involved. The sun is free. The soil is rich and fertilizer especially chemical fertilizer is cheap. Its the power thats expensive. And if can add all the improvements of agricultural science to it in a legal and free market there really is no reason anyone would ever grow inside except as a personal hobby because it could only lose money as a means of production for commercial sales.




You don't need to use artificial lighting to do hydroponics, but I agree it would make pretty much no economic sense to use artificial lights to grow legal weed. Hydro in greenhouses under sunlight I could see though. Growing in an enclosed area would be the only way to ensure a sensemilla crop really.


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: psi]
    #19352357 - 12/31/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

$1100


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #19352413 - 12/31/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

If it were legal and untaxed and everything, I don't think I'd pay more than $50 for a pound of dry


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: underfliptown]
    #19352489 - 12/31/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

I don't know the prices, but I do know that fresh shrooms used to be sold in the UK and Amsterdam.  Does anybody know how much they were by weight?


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: Big_Dave]
    #19352631 - 12/31/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: Enjoywho]
    #19352668 - 12/31/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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If it were legal and untaxed and everything, I don't think I'd pay more than $50 for a pound of dry






what are you guys on?

this still seems highly illogical to me. Sure the prices would go down, but not that low


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19352709 - 12/31/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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schwagg would be produced that way, it's hard to tend to a single acre if you
want some decent bud, sure there will be more in the market and that could
drive prices but you can already see that the prices havent come down much if
any on the bud in states where it's legal/medical



There are no states where weed is actually unregulated and traded as a commodity. These medical things just gave illicit suppliers the cover they need to not worry excessivly about getting sent to prison. In an actual free market they would all starve. In a free market monsanto would be the go to company for GMO all female seeds and those 5000 acre fields would be the dankest sinsimilla buds of them all. Obviously that is not the case under prohibition, even in medical or so called "less illegal" states. The truth is no one wants a free market. As it is now in medical states everyone makes money and generally profits, whereas if it were legal and a mere commodity ot would be much harder to make a living in it.




Using a combine harvester on top notch buds would be devastating to their quality (probably would make a fuck load of good combine hash in the process though :grin:). Like Pris said, that process would be acceptable for schwag.

  The analogy of microbrew beer is apt for pricing, but I think grape harvesting for wine is more applicable here. Quality wines are still picked by hand. It is labor intensive and slower, but it produces a better quality product. One that many people are willing to pay a little more for.

If shrooms were totally legal then the supply would be obscene. With the market flooded I'd expect the price to fall sharply, but still remain well above supermarket prices. On the order of $1-2/gram or between ~$500-1000/lb dried when purchased in bulk. If you wanted to go to a smart shop and melt into a puddle that would still be worth at least ~$4-6/gram or ~$20/ per eighth


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19352739 - 12/31/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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what are you guys on?




We've got threads for that for that :wink:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19266321/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/148

Something will always be worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
In my opinion a psychedelic experience should carry an intrinsic value beyond the cost of doing business.


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    #19352760 - 12/31/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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If it were legal and untaxed and everything, I don't think I'd pay more than $50 for a pound of dry






what are you guys on?

this still seems highly illogical to me. Sure the prices would go down, but not that low




They are so easy to grow. If they were industrial grow yes they would.


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Re: Friend prices for a lb of shrooms [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19352775 - 12/31/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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schwagg would be produced that way, it's hard to tend to a single acre if you
want some decent bud, sure there will be more in the market and that could
drive prices but you can already see that the prices havent come down much if
any on the bud in states where it's legal/medical



There are no states where weed is actually unregulated and traded as a commodity. These medical things just gave illicit suppliers the cover they need to not worry excessivly about getting sent to prison. In an actual free market they would all starve. In a free market monsanto would be the go to company for GMO all female seeds and those 5000 acre fields would be the dankest sinsimilla buds of them all. Obviously that is not the case under prohibition, even in medical or so called "less illegal" states. The truth is no one wants a free market. As it is now in medical states everyone makes money and generally profits, whereas if it were legal and a mere commodity ot would be much harder to make a living in it.




there is no such critter as a free market in the western world, it's all
taxed and regulated, even the 5000 acres of corn


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    #19352835 - 12/31/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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there is no such critter as a free market in the western world, it's all
taxed and regulated, even the 5000 acres of corn



You are right about that of course. The only free market I've experienced was in South Africa of all places. In 2005 I went with my high school friend to South Africa, having the opportunity to stay with his grandparents who still live there for a couple months in the Autumn. We went halvsies on a kilo of the local Durban and it cost us all of $300, it would have been $200 but I insisted to the black man that sold it to us that 200 wasn't enough, insisting he take at least $300 otherwise he'd be a thief stealing bread from his families mouths, lol. And it was good stuff too. I don't ordinarily tip the weed man but I took a liking to him. Its not technically legal in South Africa but it might as well be as there is zero chance of getting arrested whether you have a joint or a pound or a hundred pounds, its an honest and free market. Such a thing in the western world, :roflcopter:


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