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zdollaz
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First Grow With Pics
#19351048 - 12/31/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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Well as the title suggests, this is swims first attempt at growing mushies. Tasmanian and Golden Teachers to be exact. The set-up is (5) 1 pint jars made up with rye flour and verm using the pf tek ratio of each strain for a total of 10 jars. Here is how it went down. First swim got all the supplies, but had trouble finding BRF so just settled with rye flour, he read that it worked all the same and is hoping that's true :P Then swim made up his jars and steam sterilized for about an hour or so and let the jars cool. Once morning came, swim inoculated the jars and all was well. They were inoculated Christmas of 2013, a holy day for the fruits of God Anyway, It's been awfully cold up here in PA, and since this is more of a low-key operation I've been keeping my jars in dresser drawers. Well after a few days went by with no signs of mycelium (I understand this is totally normal, the jars are big and it's only been a week) I decided hey, maybe if it were warmer in those dresser drawers, they'd colonize faster. Since the whole TiT method wasn't the most accessible to me, due to stealth concerns, I decided to just make due. What I did was make little heating pad type things out of old socks and uncooked rice, and microwaved them for about 2 minutes. They hold their heat pretty well for about 2 hours until they start cooling off, so what I do is make a little heat mat out of these to lay my jars on top of, then cover the whole deal with a small towel to insulate. It's actually keeping the drawers pretty toasty for the little fellas, so I'm hoping to see improvements I'd appreciate any comments/questions, and I'll be updating this pretty regularly
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19351066 - 12/31/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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Take foil off for he and there's no need for heat if room temp is around 70 that's fine. You maybe keeping them to hot in there.
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: NOTFALL3N]
#19351070 - 12/31/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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GE sorry gas exchange take the foil off!
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: NOTFALL3N]
#19351106 - 12/31/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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good luck there. looks like the sub is really tightly packed to me. and as mentioned by notfallen, take the foil off. just an invite to bacteria. I always did my jars for pf loose and airy. and you have the tall jars with a neck? but where theres a will, theres a way.
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: bluecap]
#19351109 - 12/31/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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Those will work just gonna take a life time to colonize since u said they were pints
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19351125 - 12/31/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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zdollaz said: Well as the title suggests, this is swims first attempt at growing mushies. Tasmanian and Golden Teachers to be exact. The set-up is (5) 1 pint jars made up with rye flour and verm using the pf tek ratio of each strain for a total of 10 jars. Here is how it went down. First swim got all the supplies, but had trouble finding BRF so just settled with rye flour, he read that it worked all the same and is hoping that's true :P Then swim made up his jars and steam sterilized for about an hour or so and let the jars cool.
should have went longer then that if your using pints
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zdollaz said: so what I do is make a little heat mat out of these to lay my jars on top of, then cover the whole deal with a small towel to insulate. It's actually keeping the drawers pretty toasty for the little fellas, so I'm hoping to see improvements I'd appreciate any comments/questions, and I'll be updating this pretty regularly
thats a scary way to go about it you risk drying your jars out and as stated above take the foil off and try wide mouth half pints next time or use less water in the mix to avoid the issues pints have
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: cronicr]
#19351146 - 12/31/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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pint jars are to big for the BRF method. an hour of steam wouldn't sterilize them either. I would be shocked if this works out, but good luck anyways. if it doesn't work follow the methods described in RR's BRF cake video to a T.
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: God Stamet]
#19356412 - 01/01/14 10:21 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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Thanks for all the replies you guys, I'm taking the foil off right now! I've been taking it off every few hours for GE but was unaware that I could just keep it off, I guess that's what the extra layer of verm at the top of the jar is for :P Any way, The little sock heaters are not as hot as I thought myself, They stay warm for just a little more than a half hour lol and they aren't very hot to begin with, they just keep the jars warm at bedtime :P I've finally gotten some signs of mycelium, Pics will be below. And the jars aren't tightly packed, I think the rye flour gave me a weird consistency. It might also have been my verm, I think it was very fine, however it was labeled horticultural grade. Regardless, i didn't pack any of the substrate down, just scooped it in and topped off with dry verm for the very top.
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19356419 - 01/01/14 10:23 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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fine verm is perfect and the foil comes off so your verm barrier stays dry
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: cronicr]
#19357498 - 01/02/14 07:25 AM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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Looks good just watch the heat it's gonna be a lil hotter in the jars anyway!
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: NOTFALL3N]
#19357701 - 01/02/14 09:38 AM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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I'd stop heating them up the way your doing it.
It will be more beneficial for them to stay at a constant temperature than to have that little extra heat.
You can also keep them in a tub wrapped in a sleeping bag or something like that if you're worried about the temps swinging too much
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Alright you guys, again, thanks for all the helpful tips, I'm moving the jars out of my dresser into a cardboard box lined with a sleeping bad (I can't for the life of me find a plastic tub, but will soon buy one because I'm going to need it for fruiting anyway) All my foil is off and I won't use my sock heaters any more. The pictures here are of my best jar at 3/4 of the inoculation points, this is of the tasmanian strain btw...
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19357855 - 01/02/14 10:40 AM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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looks like there is mycelium in the bottom. might work out after all. good luck
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: God Stamet]
#19361465 - 01/03/14 12:04 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Okay everyone, before I go to bed, here are some more pictures of the little guys. I've counted 4/5 tasmanian jars to have small spots of mycelium (These pictures are all of tas jars) and only 2/5 to show signs from my GT collection. It's interesting to see side by side in the same conditions and environment which colonized faster After these puppies are all harvested and such, I want to make a spore print and re-do the whole process, any tips? Can I use the same syringes I initially bought for that? There's so much to learn :P
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19362246 - 01/03/14 07:00 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Sure you can use the same syringes
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: God Stamet]
#19362664 - 01/03/14 10:06 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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God Stamet said: pint jars are to big for the BRF method. an hour of steam wouldn't sterilize them either. I would be shocked if this works out, but good luck anyways. if it doesn't work follow the methods described in RR's BRF cake video to a T.
You sound unsure of yourself..

Full pints work just fine for the PF tek,their just not recommended by  Stop the misinformation people! just use moar CC's per hole!
 
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: Josh.0]
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it's not mis info bubba calm down. they don't work more than they do, now that you're in this thread we'll see the end result. all my info comes from personal experience, and I've tried this in my early days with mild success. yes it takes more cc's to reach the bottom but to start from spores with that amount of sub steam treated is asking for it.
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: God Stamet]
#19366397 - 01/03/14 11:41 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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I guess I did forget to mention, I used .5 cc per hole totaling 2cc's per jar which is double what is recommended for a 1/2 pint. They seem so far to be doing well I'd say, with 4 of my GT jars showing spots and 2 of my Tasmanian (I mixed the strains up last post) My star jar is the Tasmanian one that I've been putting pictures up of, I'll include some more of it as it is now in this post. Also, last night on an impulse, I bought rye berry spawn bags pre-sterilized from a link from ralphsters. Idk if they're sponsored here, so I won't name them. (MWGK if you really wanna know do your research lol) Anyway, they say it's possible to inoculate these bags directly from spores (3-5cc's for the whole 3 pound bag) And then I can either case the whole mess or fruit invitro I'm assuming. I also bought new spore syringes, Cambodian and ralphs SOTM which is currently Dancing Tigers. I guess the plan is to inject 5cc's of each strain into a bag (I bought 4 of these bags so I'll have 2 bags of each strain) My question is, should I do LC? or would injecting spores directly work well enough? These bags don't seem very hard to mess up considering they have a filter patch and self healing injectors. Not much room for error really. And if LC is preferred, how long does that take?? Assuming all goes well using the Karo tek. And lastly, once the whole bag is colonized, what's the best way of fruiting? breaking it up and casing it in a laundry bin kinda thing? or like those foil tubs I've seen people use? Or is fruiting in the bag a better idea?
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19366455 - 01/04/14 12:02 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Alright you guys, when I say only spots of mycelium in the jars, I mean like this much, these are all GT jars btw
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19366462 - 01/04/14 12:05 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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learn some spawning teks http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163 and alot more then that , no lc is not preffered for cubensis just use spores or learn agar it's easy stuff
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: cronicr]
#19368250 - 01/04/14 01:23 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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I've read so many different things, watched so many different videos lol. So once I have these bags fully colonized, I just break em up, throw em in a tub with some coir or whatever substrate, and then throw a casing layer over? Seems easy enough Remember guys, I am new to the experience, not the reading. I've read TONS on how to do all this, I just need some of your experiences so I can decide which method I like best Also what do you guys suggest I do with these Pint jar cakes? fruit directly from the cake or break it up into something?? I would prefer quantity over size, Like I'd rather a bunch of small to medium sized fruits over a couple monster sized ones, thanks!
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19368320 - 01/04/14 01:39 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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skip the casing layer for your bulk and i would also spawn the pints
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: cronicr]
#19368454 - 01/04/14 02:04 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Alright cool, sounds good. What type of spawn should I use for my cakes?? And is there any easy ratio of how much to use/ how many cakes?
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19368461 - 01/04/14 02:05 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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you mean bulk your cake is your spawn anyratio you want is fine i wouldn't go past 1:4 just because a cake is only 1/3 grain
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: cronicr]
#19368502 - 01/04/14 02:12 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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yeah lol bulk I mean, What should I use? and you mean like for every 1 pint jar use 4 pints of bulk?
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19368527 - 01/04/14 02:17 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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yep exactly, coir is an awesome sub but o is h-poo but whatever you choose just pasturize properly and you will be fine, i've done everything under the sun with crumbled cakes from gh trays to mono's
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: Josh.0]
#19380338 - 01/07/14 12:27 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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Hey are those pint jar pictures yours? The mycelium looks very unifrom, whereas mine have come in more like spots, is that normal??
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19380356 - 01/07/14 12:32 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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yep thats normal
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: cronicr]
#19381273 - 01/07/14 08:12 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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Spawn great!
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: NOTFALL3N]
#19385926 - 01/07/14 11:49 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Alright guys, Everything looking good so far with my jars. My spawn bags came in REALLY fast, good work MWGK They look pretty nice, neatly made up with filter patch and Self healing injector port. Now I'm waiting on Ralph to send me my syringes :P I'll let you guys know when they come in, And I'll update with some pictures of the jars. Till then, keep it real
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19386830 - 01/08/14 08:06 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Cool still waiting lol..!
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: NOTFALL3N]
#19396568 - 01/09/14 11:39 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Alright guys, So my ralphsters order is shipped, should arrive mon, maybe tues. When it comes, I'll let you all know. Anyway, here are my rye bags I bought, each is 3 lbs. Also included are 3 pics of that Tas jar that's doing pretty well, as it turns out all the other Tas jars are doing absolutely nothing and look the same as when I noc'd em. I'm assuming they got some contaminate as well because they almost have this yellow slimy stuff in them, a picture of that is also included. You can see the yellowish stuff towards the bottom of the jar. I'm not sure if I said already, but the syringes I have coming are cambodian, and the SOTM which is dancing tigers from china. I plan on using these spores directly instead of an LC for these Rye bags, 5cc's per bag. That may be leaning towards a lot, however MWGK said to use 3-5cc a bag and I'll have 20cc and 4 bags so it all works out. Hopefully they work out good, wish me luck!
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19397311 - 01/10/14 04:47 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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I like how swim changed to yourself. Good luck with your venture!
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: AEL1911]
#19398054 - 01/10/14 09:36 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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im almost positive that your jar/s are doomed..
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: AEL1911]
#19401783 - 01/11/14 12:00 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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lol It happens :P
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19401786 - 01/11/14 12:02 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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And yeah, There are only a few with the shit in it, I have maybe 3 good jars total. I'll hopefully do better with these bags, becuase they have the injector port, and filter pitch, It might do better. I hope so
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19403132 - 01/11/14 10:35 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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I still don't understand how ppl contaminate brf jars.
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: NOTFALL3N]
#19403356 - 01/11/14 11:24 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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So i have a question that know one seems to be able to answer. I have a total of 7 1/2 pint tall jars (i understand the tall jars suck). 5 of the jars were inoculated 2 weeks ago and only show growth on one side of the jar (the growth doesn't look bad)  the other two jars were inoculated a week ago and show signs of growth on both sides and it looks alot more aggressive it looks like this on both sides of the jar. my question is why did this happen the jars i did last week have alomst more growth then the 2 week old jars?
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ya,zdollaz. it looks like those jars are bacteria contammed. could be they weren't cooked long enough. or the bacteria, wicked in through your damp, verm layer. leaving the foil on after cooking, allows condensation to pool on top .and damp verm barrier. creating a vector for bacteria to enter. you should do fine on your grain bags. try to squirt your spore solution against the side of the bag. between the plastic and grain. not into the grain. gl
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: bluecap]
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hi bellesprout, multispore syringes are a crap shoot in genetics. there are millions of spores to mate. each mating produces its own type of growth, vigor. that's why on a sub you have small shrooms to large shrooms, fat ones, skinny ones...ect. always shake your syringe between noccs too. to ensure a good sporeload for each nocc. did you use the same syringe on all jars? just the luck of the draw man...that's why you here so much about isolating to agar. to narrow down the diversity to fewer genetic variations...gl
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: bluecap]
#19403524 - 01/11/14 12:08 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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i shook it before every jar and used the same syringe, that being are my 5 jars ok or are they trash?
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they look ok to me. should be fine...best of luck man
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: bluecap]
#19403588 - 01/11/14 12:21 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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thank you man!!
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: bluecap]
#19446662 - 01/20/14 08:49 AM (10 years, 11 days ago) |
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Alright you guys, My spores came, and I noc'd the bags. I'll put some pictures of them up later, but here are my syringes. Good old ralph I noc'd them on the 13th, at 10pm, they already have some decent sized myc spots
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19450029 - 01/20/14 09:45 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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Alright, as I promised, here are 2 pics. Both looking good They are officially 1 week old. All 4 of them have the same, promising growth, hope these work out well! btw all my jars are poop now, so I'll just toss em
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: zdollaz]
#19450843 - 01/21/14 12:25 AM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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looking good!
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Re: First Grow With Pics [Re: cronicr]
#19474529 - 01/25/14 11:17 PM (10 years, 5 days ago) |
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Just an update on how my bags are doing, I can't wait to enjoy the fruits of my labor 
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