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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Icelander]
#19344575 - 12/30/13 01:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: And on and on it goes. As I've stated here many times I post at the shroomery as entertainment. I like to engage with all this stuff but hardly take it seriously at the end. I've been over this too many times with too many people. I know the drill.
I've seen you comment on other peoples beliefs here and what I do is no different. If you are concerned only with your own spiritual journey I really don't see why you bother to comment on other peoples ideas, which you do. You engage in debate often here. So I don't think you really mean what you are saying to me. Sounds good to you at the moment but if you look back at your posting history you'll see it's not the truth.
Your response indicates that you have closed down, you have no desire to look at yourself and question whether I may be right in pointing out that you may be operating under a faulty set of assumptions.
That's perfectly ok of course, you have every right to close down, I certainly close down a lot also.
Btw, saying that i also comment on peoples experiences so we are no different has absolutely no baring on whether or not you are making false assumptions here.
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If you are concerned only with your own spiritual journey I really don't see why you bother to comment on other peoples ideas
Does it really matter why? I take an interest int the spiritual experiences of other people also, however the truth is within me, I dont ask other people to provide evidence or proof of their experiences or expect them to convince me of their validity.
And like I said the problem isnt so much judging in itself, it is natural for the mind to judge, it helps us to survive. The problem arises when we get lost in our judgments and begin living a limited world of name and form created entirely by our minds which work like a computer. Most human being live in a finite, limited experiential world of name and form, almost totally obvious to their own natural state of being which underlies all of the judgments being made. It is the "substratem" or our own true nature and its own true nature is bliss amazingly enough.
Edited by Deviate (12/30/13 08:26 AM)
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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
#19345350 - 12/30/13 07:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Btw, saying that i also comment on peoples experiences so we are no different has absolutely no baring on whether or not you are making false assumptions here.
That may be true but it does have a bearing on the hypocrisy of your initial statement which is what I was pointing out to you.
I really don't think I'm shut down much at all these days. In fact I'm more open to possibilities than I ever have been maybe. At least if my dreams lately are any indication. But I am realistic about what I'm being open to. I believe you may not be there.
But maybe you are. I'm certainly open to that possibility.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Icelander]
#19345396 - 12/30/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My practice at this time is to be open to whatever the good Lord has in store for me, be it good, bad, wonderful, terrible, beautiful, ugly, neutral, humorous, etc. This kind of openness is beyond concepts like realistic and unrealistc, both of which are judgments imposed on reality by the mind.
The whole of all this is that everything is ok until we start we begin judging everything (which is ok also) and then get lost in our judgements (which is not ok in the sense that it causes us to suffer).
When we live in a reality created by our judgements, our thoughts and feelings about our lives instead of living in the pure experience of the life process freely unfolding, then our life becomes limited and restricted. This is what creates a feeling of lack.
Now this idea of eveything being ok originally is called God in Christianity, Buddha nature in (you guessed it) Buddhism and Tao in (you guessed it again) Taoism. Out of all these religions, Christianity, in my opinion, gives the best mythological explanation for why things feel not ok (the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, that ancient serpent who tempted our ancestors in the garden).
Its really a brilliant concept because when you have true faith in this, it has the potential to really transform your life experience.
Edited by Deviate (12/30/13 08:17 AM)
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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
#19345527 - 12/30/13 09:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well that's nice and easy when you are feeling up and positive but just a few days ago you were singing a different tune.
But lets say this has all changed with your recent experience. That's amazing then if you can now live that out. I'll be watching. Not to see you fail but to see if this kind of transformation can really happen quickly. I haven't seen it before in all my cranky old years but I'm going to be pulling for you, and watching. And I'm not saying you have to be perfect but I'd really like to see some more joy in your daily experience. Because if acceptance has no benefit to our emotional states then I might not see the worth of it.
Best of luck. It does weird me out when you say lord though and that's maybe just a personal hang up but it sounds so male and patriarchal and all that. I prefer myself just letting that big mystery be more Tao like in character but that's me and a long negative history with my cultural religious upbringing.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
#19345549 - 12/30/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd like to share my little dream last night without going into great detail.
In brief there was a mother who was terribly abusing her young male child emotionally and physically. It was very painful to watch, terrible and terrifying actually but I knew I was in no position to remedy the situation so I just walked away. Now usually my feeling in that dream situation would be rage and hatred toward the mother but while there was a feeling of some anger it was not directed towards her. Instead an internal dialog took place and I found myself expressing a deep empathy for this woman telling myself she must be in an immense amount of pain and suffering to treat her own child in such a fashion. I felt a deep outpouring of love and empathy for both of them at that moment. I awoke with the realization that I had taken another tiny step in my own evolution and felt peaceful and then the thought occurred to me that I should always try to view my own drama with that same compassion, acceptance and love because I was also suffering in the same fashion.
So I do think I'm not as shut down as I appear to you.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
#19345586 - 12/30/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont subscribe to coincidences  Everything seems to happen at the right time for a reason
Acceptance is good, I believe in god too I believe buddhism, taoism describes it well too
Buddha nature, god consciousness etc.
If you havent already met many at your own level Let the creativity flow, accept the love each day too :-)
Remember who you are, why you are here etc. Same inside always
Most people I know are christian, muslim, buddhistic/practice yoga Or very open in general But know a few taking their phd too What unites? Doing what they love each day Worship god, meditate, help others, learn new, experience each day
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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19346356 - 12/30/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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meant for this song to be in there
-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
#19347930 - 12/30/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Me too. It is just knowing that I am a beast, that will never add up to more than a pile of shit, so regardless of what spiritual rubbish is sucking me in, I'll always be a creature obsessed with escaping the pain through drugs, sex and shallow culture. Just stop fucking trying to rise above.
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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Icelander]
#19349816 - 12/31/13 03:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: I'd like to share my little dream last night without going into great detail.
In brief there was a mother who was terribly abusing her young male child emotionally and physically. It was very painful to watch, terrible and terrifying actually but I knew I was in no position to remedy the situation so I just walked away. Now usually my feeling in that dream situation would be rage and hatred toward the mother but while there was a feeling of some anger it was not directed towards her. Instead an internal dialog took place and I found myself expressing a deep empathy for this woman telling myself she must be in an immense amount of pain and suffering to treat her own child in such a fashion. I felt a deep outpouring of love and empathy for both of them at that moment. I awoke with the realization that I had taken another tiny step in my own evolution and felt peaceful and then the thought occurred to me that I should always try to view my own drama with that same compassion, acceptance and love because I was also suffering in the same fashion.
So I do think I'm not as shut down as I appear to you. 
Do you think that experience might help you bond on some level with those you otherwise would have judged because their actions rubbed you the wrong way, particularly when such actions were far less severe than child abuse?
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19350192 - 12/31/13 08:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well yeah I think so. I'm much less inclined to just hate people who do ugly things. Hating them only hurts me. It's a buzz killer.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Icelander]
#19350241 - 12/31/13 08:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So you've realized something deeper about forgiveness -- which, ironically, is something continuously preached by Christians, yet seldom, if ever, practiced.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19350521 - 12/31/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've known this for a long time and worked on it with little success but it seems finally I'm beginning to be able to practice it in the moment. I think that fuckin rocks. I must be getting near the end of the journey.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Icelander]
#19350560 - 12/31/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Compassion and love is in the same vicinity.
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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: teknix]
#19350999 - 12/31/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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On and on and on
this too shall pass
G-Whizz - Life Intro Umm, ah life, ah life Tj ah jus life, Ghetto youths neva give up di fight G whizz dat ahh!
Chorus Mi life soon sort out So mi nuh worry Umm, my life soon happy Nuh matta wah dem talk bout Nuh move crabby Umm, nuh watch nuh badmind nuh body
Chorus Mi life soon sort out So mi nuh worry Umm, my life soon happy Nuh matta wah dem talk bout Nuh move crabby Umm, nuh watch nuh badmind nuh body
Chorus Mi life soon sort out So mi nuh worry Umm, my life soon happy Nuh matta wah dem talk bout Nuh move crabby Umm, nuh watch nuh badmind nuh body
Bridge Tj Umm ah life ah life Umm ah juss life G-Whizz neva give up di fight I go on an on an on Umm ah life, umm ah juss life Ghetto youths neva give up di fight Me dat!
Chorus Mi life soon sort out So mi nuh worry Umm, my life soon happy Nuh matta wah dem talk bout Nuh move crabby Umm, mi nah badmind nuh body Nuh mek nuh body trick yuh n come fool up yuh head Cah life soon sort out so mi nuh worry Umm, yea my life soon happy Mi life soon sort out So mi nuh worry Umm, my life soon happy Nuh matta wah dem chat bout Nuh move crabby Umm, mi nah badmind nuh body Nuh mek nuh bwoy trick yuh n come fool up yuh head Cah life soon sort out Umm, yea my life soon happy, soon happy soon happy
Ghana Reggae: Friction ft. Guru- Life is Not Easy (2013)
I know one day its gonna be ok I know one day its gonna be alright Life is how you make it What goes around comes around
I Wayne - Life Seeds (Video) [HD]
Life... Seeds I Sew Bomb Dutty Babylon Ah Bury Cool As Di Breeze I Ah Flow So Irie And Merry To PERFECTION Life Trees Grow
-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
Edited by Sse (12/31/13 12:45 PM)
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