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Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will
#19350432 - 12/31/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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By Travis Gettys Tuesday, December 31, 2013 8:08 EST
Picture taken in Montevideo on May 8, 2013 of a young man smoking a marijuana joint during a demonstration demanding a new law on cannabis. [AFP] Even though Colorado will permit the legal possession and use of marijuana starting Wednesday, employers may also legally fire workers who test positive for the drug.
Amendment 64, the ballot initiative passed by voters in November 2012 that essentially legalizes marijuana, permits employers to prohibit its use both on and off the job.
Pot proponents said that’s an unfair double standard.
“No business would ever fire an employee simply because they had a couple beers over the weekend or a cocktail after work,” said marijuana advocate Mason Tvert. “So there’s really no logical reason why an employee should be fired just for using marijuana over the weekend — which is a far less harmful substance.”
But Tvert admits there is legal justification for the discrepancy.
“It’s currently still illegal under federal law to use marijuana and until that changes, they’re going to have that right,” said Tvert.
Employers also have legal precedent on their side.
A Colorado appeals court upheld the 2010 firing by Dish Network of a man who legally smoked medical marijuana while off duty. That case is now being heard by the Colorado Supreme Court.
Because random drug tests can’t determine exactly when marijuana was consumed, and the drug can remain in the human body for 30 days or more, off-duty pot use can put workers in jeopardy.
“I do think that will soon change,” said Tvert. “I think private businesses are already becoming less and less interested in drug testing for marijuana. They don’t want to fire qualified employees, and have to recruit, and rehire and retrain.”
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Simplepowa]
#19350466 - 12/31/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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“I do think that will soon change,” said Tvert. “I think private businesses are already becoming less and less interested in drug testing for marijuana. They don’t want to fire qualified employees, and have to recruit, and rehire and retrain.”
I think this is what people are thinking as well. It's a good point to bring up though, if you are employed at a place like this you might want to consider talking to your boss first.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19350663 - 12/31/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I do not understand why people think that won't get fired federal law trumps state law. What is it the drug and workplace act of 78?? Way off tbo. But federal law says you aren't suppose to smoke on the job not state law federal
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: natzyshroomer]
#19350854 - 12/31/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Federal only trumps state law because they have bigger guns, let's be honest.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19351107 - 12/31/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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The younger generations of kids are growing more and more educated on marijuana and its harmlessness. A record number of highschool seniors surveyed reported they believed marijuana to be more or less harmless if used responsibly. It's just a matter of time until we run the country, and legalize marijuana (and hopefully decriminalize all other drugs, for small quantity possession)
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Magicman69]
#19351127 - 12/31/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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I don't want a bunch of stonies working for my company
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Pureless]
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Pureless said: I don't want a bunch of stonies working for my company
Then fire them. I'm sure they represent the laziest and least competent workers you employ.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Heffy]
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Pureless said: I don't want a bunch of stonies working for my company
Then fire them. I'm sure they represent the laziest and least competent workers you employ.
Yes that's likely
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Pureless]
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Pureless said: I don't want a bunch of stonies working for my company
Then fire them. I'm sure they represent the laziest and least competent workers you employ.
Yes that's likely
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: KingKnowledge]
#19351798 - 12/31/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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Pureless said: I don't want a bunch of stonies working for my company
Then fire them. I'm sure they represent the laziest and least competent workers you employ.
Yes that's likely

Something hard to understand ?
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Pureless]
#19352404 - 12/31/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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Yeah, if you are being sarcastic or not.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19352789 - 12/31/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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Yes its hard to understand how you can be so naive.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: DebuteMachine] 1
#19354314 - 01/01/14 11:12 AM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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DebuteMachine said: Federal only trumps state law because they have bigger guns, let's be honest.
No...It trumps state law because the constitution says it does.
Also, employers can fire employees for any reason or no reason at all. If they don't want stoners, smokers, drinkers, or karaoke singers working for them, they can and should be able to fire them.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
#19354353 - 01/01/14 11:24 AM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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Enlil your twisting of words doesn't always work like you think it does. The way we live our lives on this planet has little to do with what law says what.
Was the fast and the furious operation constitutional?
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
#19354374 - 01/01/14 11:33 AM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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DebuteMachine said: Federal only trumps state law because they have bigger guns, let's be honest.
No...It trumps state law because the constitution says it does.
Also, employers can fire employees for any reason or no reason at all. If they don't want stoners, smokers, drinkers, or karaoke singers working for them, they can and should be able to fire them.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19354383 - 01/01/14 11:34 AM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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Was the fast and the furious operation constitutional?
I don't know much about it, but it most likely was. Why do you ask?
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
#19354407 - 01/01/14 11:41 AM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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I'm just wishing you weren't so robotic sometimes. I enjoy your posts.
Long story short what I'm getting at is they can say it is or isn't constitutional or whatever, but when they are writing they rules does it really matter if it is or isn't?
You could call this philosophy, or actuality. I have more examples but I'd rather talk to your human side, instead of your legal side.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19354424 - 01/01/14 11:48 AM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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Of course it matters. Any law they make that is unconstitutional has no legal effect.
So, on the human side, do you think an employer should be forced to hire and pay people he doesn't want to hire and pay?
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
#19354471 - 01/01/14 12:00 PM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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No. But on the opposite side of the coin he shouldn't be forced to fire someone because of some shitty out dated weed laws.
Prohibition pretty much sucks.
Regardless it's pretty much been imbedded in my brain the government only uses the law when it's in it's favor. I wish I could take all of this more serious.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19354479 - 01/01/14 12:03 PM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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He's not forced to fire anyone. He's just got the option of firing...Not the obligation.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
#19354699 - 01/01/14 01:16 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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Its all up to the employer I agree enlil. Now its also up to that employer to make rational and decisions based on evidence not unproven fears.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: dark3st]
#19354727 - 01/01/14 01:24 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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Yup. If an employer wants to serve priorities other than profitability and efficiency, he can do so. If doing that means someone else is more competitive, then that's the price he pays.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
#19354763 - 01/01/14 01:37 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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Enlil said: Yup. If an employer wants to serve priorities other than profitability and efficiency, he can do so. If doing that means someone else is more competitive, then that's the price he pays.
Why do people always give you shit?
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: dark3st]
#19354827 - 01/01/14 01:55 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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Why do people always give you shit?
In most cases I'd say it's because he accurately tells people that which goes contrary to their error-filled notions.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Why do people always give you shit?
In most cases I'd say it's because he accurately tells people that which goes contrary to their error-filled notions.
As I suspected
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: dark3st]
#19354995 - 01/01/14 02:48 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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I know we have a legal system I still just believe we live in a society that closer to martial law.
I could be wrong, that's just how it feels to me.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: KingKnowledge]
#19355255 - 01/01/14 03:58 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Pureless]
#19355544 - 01/01/14 05:22 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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enlil does nothing wrong..he is captain america
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Deathcore]
#19355577 - 01/01/14 05:32 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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If ur a good worker u shouldn't even worry. If pot makes u lazy and shabby. U deserve to be fired. Don't like it? Be your own boss. But an employer can fire u if ur slacking.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Mad Season]
#19355586 - 01/01/14 05:36 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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An employer can fire you if you're not slacking. He can fire you if he doesn't like your haircut
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
#19356028 - 01/01/14 07:49 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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Enlil said: An employer can fire you if you're not slacking. He can fire you if he doesn't like your haircut
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Enlil said: Of course it matters. Any law they make that is unconstitutional has no legal effect.
So, on the human side, do you think an employer should be forced to hire and pay people he doesn't want to hire and pay?
whack and whack
any law they make that is unconstitutional has all the legal effect it wants until a decade later when it gets to the supreme court who may or may not hear the case, and then it may or may not be struck down as unconstitutional
and what people they don't want to hire and fire...? you mean like black people, jewish people, gay people, female people..?
not pickin on ya, man. just sayin' it ain't simple like that.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: J. Jack Flash]
#19356045 - 01/01/14 07:55 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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I personally believe that employers should be allowed to discriminate based on race, religion, gender, etc....but that's beside the point. There is specific legislation protecting against such discrimination. The general rule, however, is at will employment.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
#19356068 - 01/01/14 08:01 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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Enlil said: An employer can fire you if you're not slacking. He can fire you if he doesn't like your haircut
Well let's be honest, it depends if it's a right to work state or not. In VA and DC you can be fired for absolutely nothing.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19356078 - 01/01/14 08:05 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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No it doesn't. Right to work doesn't affect at will status. The only state that isn't at will is Montana.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
#19362583 - 01/03/14 09:40 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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DebuteMachine said: Federal only trumps state law because they have bigger guns, let's be honest.
No...It trumps state law because the constitution says it does.
Also, employers can fire employees for any reason or no reason at all. If they don't want stoners, smokers, drinkers, or karaoke singers working for them, they can and should be able to fire them.
So if I don't want negroes, or homos working for me, I should be able to fire them, just for being black and/or gay? Any reason I want, right? Good to know you believe so strongly in employers' rights.
Gotta protect those big corporations. They'd simply crumble if they didn't have the law to protect them, and as they teach us in school, our entire country would descend into absolute economic anarchy if all the big corps aren't protected, and coddled, and cuddled, and allowed to rake in billions each year. 
But please do clarify for me, your position on firing darkies and queers at an employer's discretion. Oh, and women. And fatties. Or 'Tards. Or cripples. Dummies. Geezers. Slopes. Kikes. Democrats. Political activists. Maybe even Lawyers.
Just fire 'em all, bring in the whites, and Heil Hitler, amirite? 
(In case you didn't pick up on my extreme sarcasm, I think your position is ignorant, and about a cunt-hair away from outright discrimination.)
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: CidneyIndole] 1
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Just fire 'em all, bring in the whites, and Heil Hitler, amirite? 
I certainly don't condone your racism or homophobia, but I do support a person's right to be racist or homophobic. If a employer wants to turn away qualified people based on irrelevant factors, that gives an edge to other employers who make more rational decisions. The market will eventually balance it out.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
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CidneyIndole said: Any reason I want, right?
Yup. Any reason.
No-one (person or government) should be able to tell who/why I can hire, fire or who I do business with.
It's a shame you fail to see the difference between a person being a moron and government sticking their noses where they don't belong.
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Just fire 'em all, bring in the whites, and Heil Hitler, amirite? 
I certainly don't condone your racism or homophobia, but I do support a person's right to be racist or homophobic. If a employer wants to turn away qualified people based on irrelevant factors, that gives an edge to other employers who make more rational decisions. The market will eventually balance it out.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: I personally believe that employers should be allowed to discriminate based on race, religion, gender, etc....but that's beside the point. There is specific legislation protecting against such discrimination. The general rule, however, is at will employment.
I agree with this statement totally. Not because I am a bigot, but because in a sick way it would allow an employer to not be FORCED to higher certain percentages of "minority" workers. People can claim "unequal rights because they hired a Caucasian, and not an African American" Irrelevant of skill sets/experience etc. Affirmative action does some good, but overall it forces employers to make decisions that NO ONE should have to make. I.e. Hiring people that are not the best fit for the job, out of fear of lawsuits, and the fatal PR that comes with being branded "A racist company".
Frankly, I think that all of our laws protecting "minorities" etc ACTUALLY do more harm than good. I recognize people as humans, but the government would like me to take a moment and IDENTIFY that A human IS ACTUALLY an: African American/Asian American/Hispanic/Latino and so forth.
I got in a discussion one night at a bar with an older woman who stated that she was "Italian American". I asked why she would put her lineage ahead of the pride of simply being "American". She was not born in Italy, and neither were her parents. I let her know that racism and hatred exists because you FORCE someone to recognize you as different. I let her know that no matter how she self described herself, I saw her as American, and nothing more or less. I also asked why I could not attend the local "Italian club", and that in a way seemed very un-American.
No one will see you as an equal if you don't treat yourself as an equal. If you define yourself different than others, you create an avenue for hate. I judge based on an individuals contributions to society. If you work, pay bills and return your DVD to the rental store on time, you are a-ok with me. But I really don't give a fuck how anyone classifies themselves, and I don't care how Great-great-grandpa made it here, or where he came from in the first place.
HOWEVER: If you are born out of the country, and immigrate here and become a citizen, I think that you then have a right to add a prefix to your american status.
As an example: A relative of mine roomed in college with a woman who had 2 american parents, but was born and raised in south Africa. They were well-off people but very down to earth. The woman was almost expelled from college in her second semester because SOMEONE noticed that she checked the "African American" box. It caused a whole fiasco because she was Caucasian. ALMOST EXPELLED. She later went on to get absurdly high grades, and is a VERY VERY high profile job now. As far as I saw, She was and is an African american, unlike a the dark skinned american who has lineage that can be traced back to Africa.
This is just my perspective.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
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I don't know what all the hubub is about. Not sure how I feel about allowing discrimination. Why not Zoidberg?
I can confirm 100% in VA you can be fired for letting a snowflake hit the ground.
As for the discrimination thing, I'm sure a lot of employers do it. They just do it smart. Actually my last job in DC; my boss fired this girl because she was black. I left that job because me and her hit it off, but he fired her.
There's more details but it's unimportant to mention on the wider spectrum of things.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: CidneyIndole]
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Also, employers can fire employees for any reason or no reason at all. If they don't want stoners, smokers, drinkers, or karaoke singers working for them, they can and should be able to fire them.
So if I don't want negroes, or homos working for me, I should be able to fire them, just for being black and/or gay? Any reason I want, right? Good to know you believe so strongly in employers' rights.
Gotta protect those big corporations. They'd simply crumble if they didn't have the law to protect them, and as they teach us in school, our entire country would descend into absolute economic anarchy if all the big corps aren't protected, and coddled, and cuddled, and allowed to rake in billions each year. 
But please do clarify for me, your position on firing darkies and queers at an employer's discretion. Oh, and women. And fatties. Or 'Tards. Or cripples. Dummies. Geezers. Slopes. Kikes. Democrats. Political activists. Maybe even Lawyers.
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I don't know what things are like in the USA but in Canada if you are fired they have to have a reason. If you are laid off due to economy then you are entitled to benefits. There is big difference. If I got fired for smoking pot in my off time or for being dark skinned or being gay and I would sue the fucking shit out of someone. Where I used to work I found out no one would mention I smell like weed because they have to offer you free drug counselling before terminating you. So no you cant just fire a woman because she got knocked up. If you don't like the fact workers have basic minimum rights then you should do the work yourself, or move your factory to 3rd world.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: my3rdeye]
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@my3rdeye: wrong sir. Very wrong. U can be laid off for NO reason whatsoever an employer doesn't need a reason. However if you've been there for 3+ months they arr required to give you 2 weeks and you have the option to use employment insurance. If it's under 3 months no EI and no need for notice. How Canada works.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: my3rdeye]
#19364870 - 01/03/14 06:18 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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I edited my whole entire post.
Post got all fucked up from prior posts mis-quoting. I cannot really say how upset with myself I am for not re-reading.
Hateful terms like Tards, cripples, Geezers, Slopes and Kikes EVEN in sarcasm have no place in any intelligent conversation. Save that shit for times when you are hanging out with close friends who won't hate you for mention of such low brow terms.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
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fucking christ, whippy.
i'd like to point out the apparently racist/sexist epithets you quoted were taken out of context. the original post was being sarcastic, thus disclaimed:
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(In case you didn't pick up on my extreme sarcasm, I think your position is ignorant, and about a cunt-hair away from outright discrimination.)
meanwhile, i'd just say to allow they without sin to cast their stones.
and finally, we absolutely do not operate in a capitalist society. we've crossed completely from capitalism into outright fascism. both parties are complicit, fuck em all. corporations are people, and they exercise their influence with absolute impunity. fuck em all. legislation for workers' rights, while contrary to the free will of the business owner, is about the only thing that forces the public corporation from treating labor absolutely, completely like an expendable commodity, rather than treating people as people, as fellow members of society. not that they don't treat labor as much like a commodity as they can, but the 40 hour work week wouldn't exist otherwise.
mind you, the corporations cannot be blamed for what they do any more than male lions can be blamed for killing the offspring of their rivals. it's built into the system. only in the case of the human economic system...
you know what? fuck it. none of this matters, we're all fucking slaves to a system most of our fellow amerikans can't even see. slaves to debt, imprisoned in a totalitarian police state. fuck it all. and the fucks in charge want us arguing with each other, pounding down the value menu, focusing only on what divides us. it's good for business, for as long as we're arguing with each other, watching the zombie box, chasing fashion, wishing we had the latest new NSA-hacked i-device... we're not overthrowing the bullshit system we've allowed to control us.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: J. Jack Flash]
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J. Jack Flash said: fucking christ, whippy. meanwhile, i'd just say to allow they without sin to cast their stones.
I still stand by my statement that ANY employer in America SHOULD have the right to fire at will. Corporations are people (Quoting you), and So am I. If someone is on my property I don't want in there any longer, I can eject them. Why can't a corporation do the same?
I think you and I after getting passed all of my horrible mis-quotes would have more than a few views in common. I agree with most of what you say.
The only way to get rights as a worker is to be skilled, and to be able to prove it. I agree that most don't have skills per se. It takes no skill to work entry level jobs in the USA. The scary thing is that most are a dime a dozen, and can be outsourced in a heartbeat. I think that too many people have rights that they did not earn. Plain and simple. Being a "Minority" should not come with rights a white person don't have. We all came over here on a boat within the last 300+ years, "Native Americans" being the exception. IMHO they and veterans should get first crack at any job....if we want to re-assess affirmative action.
My issue has nothing to do with race. My issue concerns an employers' rights to terminate at will.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Mad Season]
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Mad Season said: @my3rdeye: wrong sir. Very wrong. U can be laid off for NO reason whatsoever an employer doesn't need a reason. However if you've been there for 3+ months they arr required to give you 2 weeks and you have the option to use employment insurance. If it's under 3 months no EI and no need for notice. How Canada works.
You didn't read his post closely enough. Being fired is different than being laid off. Firing is related to bad job performance, and you need a reason. You do not need to offer notice to an employee who was legitimately fired. Laying employees off is an economic/business consideration. When you lay employees off you need to give them notice, and they are entitled to Employment Insurance.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Heffy]
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Mad Season said: @my3rdeye: wrong sir. Very wrong. U can be laid off for NO reason whatsoever an employer doesn't need a reason. However if you've been there for 3+ months they arr required to give you 2 weeks and you have the option to use employment insurance. If it's under 3 months no EI and no need for notice. How Canada works.
You didn't read his post closely enough. Being fired is different than being laid off. Firing is related to bad job performance, and you need a reason. You do not need to offer notice to an employee who was legitimately fired. Laying employees off is an economic/business consideration. When you lay employees off you need to give them notice, and they are entitled to Employment Insurance.
thanks for clarifying
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Heffy]
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Heffy said: Being fired is different than being laid off. Firing is related to bad job performance, and you need a reason. You do not need to offer notice to an employee who was legitimately fired. Laying employees off is an economic/business consideration. When you lay employees off you need to give them notice, and they are entitled to Employment Insurance.
You're wrong about almost everything in this paragraph. An employer does NOT need a reason to fire someone, and notice is not required whether or not an employer has a reason to let someone go.
The only exceptions are if you're in Montana or if you have an employment contract (such as if you're in a union, etc.)
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
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Heffy said: Being fired is different than being laid off. Firing is related to bad job performance, and you need a reason. You do not need to offer notice to an employee who was legitimately fired. Laying employees off is an economic/business consideration. When you lay employees off you need to give them notice, and they are entitled to Employment Insurance.
You're wrong about almost everything in this paragraph. An employer does NOT need a reason to fire someone, and notice is not required whether or not an employer has a reason to let someone go.
The only exceptions are if you're in Montana or if you have an employment contract (such as if you're in a union, etc.)
That's funny. I'm not sure where the fuck you live, but I don't think it is in my country. It's almost like the law is different in different places, and dumbass Americans have no awareness that anywhere else exists.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Heffy]
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Heffy said: That's funny. I'm not sure where the fuck you live, but I don't think it is in my country.
It's not my fault you didn't read the title of the thread or don't know where Colorado is.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
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I don't know what things are like in the USA but in Canada if you are fired they have to have a reason. If you are laid off due to economy then you are entitled to benefits. There is big difference. If I got fired for smoking pot in my off time or for being dark skinned or being gay and I would sue the fucking shit out of someone. Where I used to work I found out no one would mention I smell like weed because they have to offer you free drug counselling before terminating you. So no you cant just fire a woman because she got knocked up. If you don't like the fact workers have basic minimum rights then you should do the work yourself, or move your factory to 3rd world.
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@my3rdeye: wrong sir. Very wrong. U can be laid off for NO reason whatsoever an employer doesn't need a reason. However if you've been there for 3+ months they arr required to give you 2 weeks and you have the option to use employment insurance. If it's under 3 months no EI and no need for notice. How Canada works.
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You didn't read his post closely enough. Being fired is different than being laid off. Firing is related to bad job performance, and you need a reason. You do not need to offer notice to an employee who was legitimately fired. Laying employees off is an economic/business consideration. When you lay employees off you need to give them notice, and they are entitled to Employment Insurance.
Which one of us has the reading comprehension problem? Did you actually completely miss that the three of us were talking about Canada, and not Colorado? Maybe you should read people's posts more closely before you go and make an ass of yourself?
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Heffy]
#19383127 - 01/07/14 03:25 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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I assumed you were talking about La Canada, CA. The nation of Canada is not really worth talking about....
...to each her own, I suppose.
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