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my3rdeye



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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: CidneyIndole]
#19363865 - 01/03/14 03:17 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Also, employers can fire employees for any reason or no reason at all. If they don't want stoners, smokers, drinkers, or karaoke singers working for them, they can and should be able to fire them.
So if I don't want negroes, or homos working for me, I should be able to fire them, just for being black and/or gay? Any reason I want, right? Good to know you believe so strongly in employers' rights.
Gotta protect those big corporations. They'd simply crumble if they didn't have the law to protect them, and as they teach us in school, our entire country would descend into absolute economic anarchy if all the big corps aren't protected, and coddled, and cuddled, and allowed to rake in billions each year. 
But please do clarify for me, your position on firing darkies and queers at an employer's discretion. Oh, and women. And fatties. Or 'Tards. Or cripples. Dummies. Geezers. Slopes. Kikes. Democrats. Political activists. Maybe even Lawyers.
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I don't know what things are like in the USA but in Canada if you are fired they have to have a reason. If you are laid off due to economy then you are entitled to benefits. There is big difference. If I got fired for smoking pot in my off time or for being dark skinned or being gay and I would sue the fucking shit out of someone. Where I used to work I found out no one would mention I smell like weed because they have to offer you free drug counselling before terminating you. So no you cant just fire a woman because she got knocked up. If you don't like the fact workers have basic minimum rights then you should do the work yourself, or move your factory to 3rd world.
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Mad Season
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: my3rdeye]
#19364799 - 01/03/14 06:03 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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@my3rdeye: wrong sir. Very wrong. U can be laid off for NO reason whatsoever an employer doesn't need a reason. However if you've been there for 3+ months they arr required to give you 2 weeks and you have the option to use employment insurance. If it's under 3 months no EI and no need for notice. How Canada works.
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HypnotoadCroaked
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: my3rdeye]
#19364870 - 01/03/14 06:18 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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I edited my whole entire post.
Post got all fucked up from prior posts mis-quoting. I cannot really say how upset with myself I am for not re-reading.
Hateful terms like Tards, cripples, Geezers, Slopes and Kikes EVEN in sarcasm have no place in any intelligent conversation. Save that shit for times when you are hanging out with close friends who won't hate you for mention of such low brow terms.
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J. Jack Flash
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
#19365553 - 01/03/14 08:15 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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fucking christ, whippy.
i'd like to point out the apparently racist/sexist epithets you quoted were taken out of context. the original post was being sarcastic, thus disclaimed:
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(In case you didn't pick up on my extreme sarcasm, I think your position is ignorant, and about a cunt-hair away from outright discrimination.)
meanwhile, i'd just say to allow they without sin to cast their stones.
and finally, we absolutely do not operate in a capitalist society. we've crossed completely from capitalism into outright fascism. both parties are complicit, fuck em all. corporations are people, and they exercise their influence with absolute impunity. fuck em all. legislation for workers' rights, while contrary to the free will of the business owner, is about the only thing that forces the public corporation from treating labor absolutely, completely like an expendable commodity, rather than treating people as people, as fellow members of society. not that they don't treat labor as much like a commodity as they can, but the 40 hour work week wouldn't exist otherwise.
mind you, the corporations cannot be blamed for what they do any more than male lions can be blamed for killing the offspring of their rivals. it's built into the system. only in the case of the human economic system...
you know what? fuck it. none of this matters, we're all fucking slaves to a system most of our fellow amerikans can't even see. slaves to debt, imprisoned in a totalitarian police state. fuck it all. and the fucks in charge want us arguing with each other, pounding down the value menu, focusing only on what divides us. it's good for business, for as long as we're arguing with each other, watching the zombie box, chasing fashion, wishing we had the latest new NSA-hacked i-device... we're not overthrowing the bullshit system we've allowed to control us.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: J. Jack Flash]
#19366069 - 01/03/14 10:04 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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J. Jack Flash said: fucking christ, whippy. meanwhile, i'd just say to allow they without sin to cast their stones.
I still stand by my statement that ANY employer in America SHOULD have the right to fire at will. Corporations are people (Quoting you), and So am I. If someone is on my property I don't want in there any longer, I can eject them. Why can't a corporation do the same?
I think you and I after getting passed all of my horrible mis-quotes would have more than a few views in common. I agree with most of what you say.
The only way to get rights as a worker is to be skilled, and to be able to prove it. I agree that most don't have skills per se. It takes no skill to work entry level jobs in the USA. The scary thing is that most are a dime a dozen, and can be outsourced in a heartbeat. I think that too many people have rights that they did not earn. Plain and simple. Being a "Minority" should not come with rights a white person don't have. We all came over here on a boat within the last 300+ years, "Native Americans" being the exception. IMHO they and veterans should get first crack at any job....if we want to re-assess affirmative action.
My issue has nothing to do with race. My issue concerns an employers' rights to terminate at will.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Mad Season]
#19367290 - 01/04/14 08:58 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Mad Season said: @my3rdeye: wrong sir. Very wrong. U can be laid off for NO reason whatsoever an employer doesn't need a reason. However if you've been there for 3+ months they arr required to give you 2 weeks and you have the option to use employment insurance. If it's under 3 months no EI and no need for notice. How Canada works.
You didn't read his post closely enough. Being fired is different than being laid off. Firing is related to bad job performance, and you need a reason. You do not need to offer notice to an employee who was legitimately fired. Laying employees off is an economic/business consideration. When you lay employees off you need to give them notice, and they are entitled to Employment Insurance.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Heffy]
#19367596 - 01/04/14 10:49 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Heffy said:
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Mad Season said: @my3rdeye: wrong sir. Very wrong. U can be laid off for NO reason whatsoever an employer doesn't need a reason. However if you've been there for 3+ months they arr required to give you 2 weeks and you have the option to use employment insurance. If it's under 3 months no EI and no need for notice. How Canada works.
You didn't read his post closely enough. Being fired is different than being laid off. Firing is related to bad job performance, and you need a reason. You do not need to offer notice to an employee who was legitimately fired. Laying employees off is an economic/business consideration. When you lay employees off you need to give them notice, and they are entitled to Employment Insurance.
thanks for clarifying
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Enlil
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Heffy]
#19367769 - 01/04/14 11:50 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Heffy said: Being fired is different than being laid off. Firing is related to bad job performance, and you need a reason. You do not need to offer notice to an employee who was legitimately fired. Laying employees off is an economic/business consideration. When you lay employees off you need to give them notice, and they are entitled to Employment Insurance.
You're wrong about almost everything in this paragraph. An employer does NOT need a reason to fire someone, and notice is not required whether or not an employer has a reason to let someone go.
The only exceptions are if you're in Montana or if you have an employment contract (such as if you're in a union, etc.)
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
#19368623 - 01/04/14 02:36 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Heffy
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
#19382953 - 01/07/14 02:54 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Heffy said: Being fired is different than being laid off. Firing is related to bad job performance, and you need a reason. You do not need to offer notice to an employee who was legitimately fired. Laying employees off is an economic/business consideration. When you lay employees off you need to give them notice, and they are entitled to Employment Insurance.
You're wrong about almost everything in this paragraph. An employer does NOT need a reason to fire someone, and notice is not required whether or not an employer has a reason to let someone go.
The only exceptions are if you're in Montana or if you have an employment contract (such as if you're in a union, etc.)
That's funny. I'm not sure where the fuck you live, but I don't think it is in my country. It's almost like the law is different in different places, and dumbass Americans have no awareness that anywhere else exists.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Heffy]
#19383017 - 01/07/14 03:04 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Heffy said: That's funny. I'm not sure where the fuck you live, but I don't think it is in my country.
It's not my fault you didn't read the title of the thread or don't know where Colorado is.
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Heffy
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
#19383074 - 01/07/14 03:15 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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I don't know what things are like in the USA but in Canada if you are fired they have to have a reason. If you are laid off due to economy then you are entitled to benefits. There is big difference. If I got fired for smoking pot in my off time or for being dark skinned or being gay and I would sue the fucking shit out of someone. Where I used to work I found out no one would mention I smell like weed because they have to offer you free drug counselling before terminating you. So no you cant just fire a woman because she got knocked up. If you don't like the fact workers have basic minimum rights then you should do the work yourself, or move your factory to 3rd world.
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@my3rdeye: wrong sir. Very wrong. U can be laid off for NO reason whatsoever an employer doesn't need a reason. However if you've been there for 3+ months they arr required to give you 2 weeks and you have the option to use employment insurance. If it's under 3 months no EI and no need for notice. How Canada works.
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You didn't read his post closely enough. Being fired is different than being laid off. Firing is related to bad job performance, and you need a reason. You do not need to offer notice to an employee who was legitimately fired. Laying employees off is an economic/business consideration. When you lay employees off you need to give them notice, and they are entitled to Employment Insurance.
Which one of us has the reading comprehension problem? Did you actually completely miss that the three of us were talking about Canada, and not Colorado? Maybe you should read people's posts more closely before you go and make an ass of yourself?
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Enlil
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Heffy]
#19383127 - 01/07/14 03:25 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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I assumed you were talking about La Canada, CA. The nation of Canada is not really worth talking about....
...to each her own, I suppose.
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