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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
#19354699 - 01/01/14 01:16 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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Its all up to the employer I agree enlil. Now its also up to that employer to make rational and decisions based on evidence not unproven fears.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: dark3st]
#19354727 - 01/01/14 01:24 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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Yup. If an employer wants to serve priorities other than profitability and efficiency, he can do so. If doing that means someone else is more competitive, then that's the price he pays.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
#19354763 - 01/01/14 01:37 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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Enlil said: Yup. If an employer wants to serve priorities other than profitability and efficiency, he can do so. If doing that means someone else is more competitive, then that's the price he pays.
Why do people always give you shit?
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: dark3st]
#19354827 - 01/01/14 01:55 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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Enlil said: Yup. If an employer wants to serve priorities other than profitability and efficiency, he can do so. If doing that means someone else is more competitive, then that's the price he pays.
Why do people always give you shit?
In most cases I'd say it's because he accurately tells people that which goes contrary to their error-filled notions.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19354932 - 01/01/14 02:27 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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Enlil said: Yup. If an employer wants to serve priorities other than profitability and efficiency, he can do so. If doing that means someone else is more competitive, then that's the price he pays.
Why do people always give you shit?
In most cases I'd say it's because he accurately tells people that which goes contrary to their error-filled notions.
As I suspected
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: dark3st]
#19354995 - 01/01/14 02:48 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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I know we have a legal system I still just believe we live in a society that closer to martial law.
I could be wrong, that's just how it feels to me.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: KingKnowledge]
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Pureless]
#19355544 - 01/01/14 05:22 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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enlil does nothing wrong..he is captain america
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Deathcore]
#19355577 - 01/01/14 05:32 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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If ur a good worker u shouldn't even worry. If pot makes u lazy and shabby. U deserve to be fired. Don't like it? Be your own boss. But an employer can fire u if ur slacking.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Mad Season]
#19355586 - 01/01/14 05:36 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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An employer can fire you if you're not slacking. He can fire you if he doesn't like your haircut
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
#19356028 - 01/01/14 07:49 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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Enlil said: An employer can fire you if you're not slacking. He can fire you if he doesn't like your haircut
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Enlil said: Of course it matters. Any law they make that is unconstitutional has no legal effect.
So, on the human side, do you think an employer should be forced to hire and pay people he doesn't want to hire and pay?
whack and whack
any law they make that is unconstitutional has all the legal effect it wants until a decade later when it gets to the supreme court who may or may not hear the case, and then it may or may not be struck down as unconstitutional
and what people they don't want to hire and fire...? you mean like black people, jewish people, gay people, female people..?
not pickin on ya, man. just sayin' it ain't simple like that.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: J. Jack Flash]
#19356045 - 01/01/14 07:55 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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I personally believe that employers should be allowed to discriminate based on race, religion, gender, etc....but that's beside the point. There is specific legislation protecting against such discrimination. The general rule, however, is at will employment.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
#19356068 - 01/01/14 08:01 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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Enlil said: An employer can fire you if you're not slacking. He can fire you if he doesn't like your haircut
Well let's be honest, it depends if it's a right to work state or not. In VA and DC you can be fired for absolutely nothing.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19356078 - 01/01/14 08:05 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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No it doesn't. Right to work doesn't affect at will status. The only state that isn't at will is Montana.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
#19357390 - 01/02/14 06:03 AM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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Florida has stand your ground
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
#19362583 - 01/03/14 09:40 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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DebuteMachine said: Federal only trumps state law because they have bigger guns, let's be honest.
No...It trumps state law because the constitution says it does.
Also, employers can fire employees for any reason or no reason at all. If they don't want stoners, smokers, drinkers, or karaoke singers working for them, they can and should be able to fire them.
So if I don't want negroes, or homos working for me, I should be able to fire them, just for being black and/or gay? Any reason I want, right? Good to know you believe so strongly in employers' rights.
Gotta protect those big corporations. They'd simply crumble if they didn't have the law to protect them, and as they teach us in school, our entire country would descend into absolute economic anarchy if all the big corps aren't protected, and coddled, and cuddled, and allowed to rake in billions each year. 
But please do clarify for me, your position on firing darkies and queers at an employer's discretion. Oh, and women. And fatties. Or 'Tards. Or cripples. Dummies. Geezers. Slopes. Kikes. Democrats. Political activists. Maybe even Lawyers.
Just fire 'em all, bring in the whites, and Heil Hitler, amirite? 
(In case you didn't pick up on my extreme sarcasm, I think your position is ignorant, and about a cunt-hair away from outright discrimination.)
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: CidneyIndole] 1
#19362642 - 01/03/14 10:01 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Just fire 'em all, bring in the whites, and Heil Hitler, amirite? 
I certainly don't condone your racism or homophobia, but I do support a person's right to be racist or homophobic. If a employer wants to turn away qualified people based on irrelevant factors, that gives an edge to other employers who make more rational decisions. The market will eventually balance it out.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
#19362671 - 01/03/14 10:09 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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CidneyIndole said: Any reason I want, right?
Yup. Any reason.
No-one (person or government) should be able to tell who/why I can hire, fire or who I do business with.
It's a shame you fail to see the difference between a person being a moron and government sticking their noses where they don't belong.
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Just fire 'em all, bring in the whites, and Heil Hitler, amirite? 
I certainly don't condone your racism or homophobia, but I do support a person's right to be racist or homophobic. If a employer wants to turn away qualified people based on irrelevant factors, that gives an edge to other employers who make more rational decisions. The market will eventually balance it out.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
#19362794 - 01/03/14 10:41 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Enlil said: I personally believe that employers should be allowed to discriminate based on race, religion, gender, etc....but that's beside the point. There is specific legislation protecting against such discrimination. The general rule, however, is at will employment.
I agree with this statement totally. Not because I am a bigot, but because in a sick way it would allow an employer to not be FORCED to higher certain percentages of "minority" workers. People can claim "unequal rights because they hired a Caucasian, and not an African American" Irrelevant of skill sets/experience etc. Affirmative action does some good, but overall it forces employers to make decisions that NO ONE should have to make. I.e. Hiring people that are not the best fit for the job, out of fear of lawsuits, and the fatal PR that comes with being branded "A racist company".
Frankly, I think that all of our laws protecting "minorities" etc ACTUALLY do more harm than good. I recognize people as humans, but the government would like me to take a moment and IDENTIFY that A human IS ACTUALLY an: African American/Asian American/Hispanic/Latino and so forth.
I got in a discussion one night at a bar with an older woman who stated that she was "Italian American". I asked why she would put her lineage ahead of the pride of simply being "American". She was not born in Italy, and neither were her parents. I let her know that racism and hatred exists because you FORCE someone to recognize you as different. I let her know that no matter how she self described herself, I saw her as American, and nothing more or less. I also asked why I could not attend the local "Italian club", and that in a way seemed very un-American.
No one will see you as an equal if you don't treat yourself as an equal. If you define yourself different than others, you create an avenue for hate. I judge based on an individuals contributions to society. If you work, pay bills and return your DVD to the rental store on time, you are a-ok with me. But I really don't give a fuck how anyone classifies themselves, and I don't care how Great-great-grandpa made it here, or where he came from in the first place.
HOWEVER: If you are born out of the country, and immigrate here and become a citizen, I think that you then have a right to add a prefix to your american status.
As an example: A relative of mine roomed in college with a woman who had 2 american parents, but was born and raised in south Africa. They were well-off people but very down to earth. The woman was almost expelled from college in her second semester because SOMEONE noticed that she checked the "African American" box. It caused a whole fiasco because she was Caucasian. ALMOST EXPELLED. She later went on to get absurdly high grades, and is a VERY VERY high profile job now. As far as I saw, She was and is an African american, unlike a the dark skinned american who has lineage that can be traced back to Africa.
This is just my perspective.
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
#19362998 - 01/03/14 11:35 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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I don't know what all the hubub is about. Not sure how I feel about allowing discrimination. Why not Zoidberg?
I can confirm 100% in VA you can be fired for letting a snowflake hit the ground.
As for the discrimination thing, I'm sure a lot of employers do it. They just do it smart. Actually my last job in DC; my boss fired this girl because she was black. I left that job because me and her hit it off, but he fired her.
There's more details but it's unimportant to mention on the wider spectrum of things.
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