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InvisibleSimplepowa
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Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will
    #19350432 - 12/31/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

By Travis Gettys
Tuesday, December 31, 2013 8:08 EST

Picture taken in Montevideo on May 8, 2013 of a young man smoking a marijuana joint during a demonstration demanding a new law on cannabis. [AFP]

Even though Colorado will permit the legal possession and use of marijuana starting Wednesday, employers may also legally fire workers who test positive for the drug.

Amendment 64, the ballot initiative passed by voters in November 2012 that essentially legalizes marijuana, permits employers to prohibit its use both on and off the job.

Pot proponents said that’s an unfair double standard.

“No business would ever fire an employee simply because they had a couple beers over the weekend or a cocktail after work,” said marijuana advocate Mason Tvert. “So there’s really no logical reason why an employee should be fired just for using marijuana over the weekend — which is a far less harmful substance.”

But Tvert admits there is legal justification for the discrepancy.

“It’s currently still illegal under federal law to use marijuana and until that changes, they’re going to have that right,” said Tvert.

Employers also have legal precedent on their side.

A Colorado appeals court upheld the 2010 firing by Dish Network of a man who legally smoked medical marijuana while off duty. That case is now being heard by the Colorado Supreme Court.

Because random drug tests can’t determine exactly when marijuana was consumed, and the drug can remain in the human body for 30 days or more, off-duty pot use can put workers in jeopardy.

“I do think that will soon change,” said Tvert. “I think private businesses are already becoming less and less interested in drug testing for marijuana. They don’t want to fire qualified employees, and have to recruit, and rehire and retrain.”

Watch this video report posted online by KMGH-TV:

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/31/just-because-colorado-will-let-you-smoke-pot-doesnt-mean-your-boss-will/


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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Simplepowa]
    #19350466 - 12/31/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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“I do think that will soon change,” said Tvert. “I think private businesses are already becoming less and less interested in drug testing for marijuana. They don’t want to fire qualified employees, and have to recruit, and rehire and retrain.”





I think this is what people are thinking as well. It's a good point to bring up though, if you are employed at a place like this you might want to consider talking to your boss first.


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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19350663 - 12/31/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I do not understand why people think that won't get fired federal law trumps state law. What is it the drug and workplace act of 78?? Way off tbo. But federal law says you aren't suppose to smoke on the job not state law federal


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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: natzyshroomer]
    #19350854 - 12/31/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Federal only trumps state law because they have bigger guns, let's be honest.


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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19351107 - 12/31/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

The younger generations of kids are growing more and more educated on marijuana and its harmlessness. A record number of highschool seniors surveyed reported they believed marijuana to be more or less harmless if used responsibly. It's just a matter of time until we run the country, and legalize marijuana (and hopefully decriminalize all other drugs, for small quantity possession)


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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Magicman69]
    #19351127 - 12/31/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

I don't want a bunch of stonies working for my company


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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Pureless]
    #19351202 - 12/31/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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Pureless said:
I don't want a bunch of stonies working for my company



Then fire them. I'm sure they represent the laziest and least competent workers you employ.:rolleyes:


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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Heffy]
    #19351342 - 12/31/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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Heffy said:
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Pureless said:
I don't want a bunch of stonies working for my company



Then fire them. I'm sure they represent the laziest and least competent workers you employ.:rolleyes:




Yes that's likely


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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Pureless]
    #19351684 - 12/31/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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Pureless said:
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Heffy said:
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Pureless said:
I don't want a bunch of stonies working for my company



Then fire them. I'm sure they represent the laziest and least competent workers you employ.:rolleyes:




Yes that's likely




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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19351798 - 12/31/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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KingKnowledge said:
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Pureless said:
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Heffy said:
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Pureless said:
I don't want a bunch of stonies working for my company



Then fire them. I'm sure they represent the laziest and least competent workers you employ.:rolleyes:




Yes that's likely




:lolwut:



Something hard to understand ?


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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Pureless]
    #19352404 - 12/31/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Yeah, if you are being sarcastic or not.


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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19352789 - 12/31/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Yes its hard to understand how you can be so naive.


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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: DebuteMachine] * 1
    #19354314 - 01/01/14 11:12 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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DebuteMachine said:
Federal only trumps state law because they have bigger guns, let's be honest.



No...It trumps state law because the constitution says it does.

Also, employers can fire employees for any reason or no reason at all.  If they don't want stoners, smokers, drinkers, or karaoke singers working for them, they can and should be able to fire them.


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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
    #19354353 - 01/01/14 11:24 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Enlil your twisting of words doesn't always work like you think it does. The way we live our lives on this planet has little to do with what law says what.

Was the fast and the furious operation constitutional?


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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
    #19354374 - 01/01/14 11:33 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Enlil said:
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DebuteMachine said:
Federal only trumps state law because they have bigger guns, let's be honest.



No...It trumps state law because the constitution says it does.

Also, employers can fire employees for any reason or no reason at all.  If they don't want stoners, smokers, drinkers, or karaoke singers working for them, they can and should be able to fire them.



This.....
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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19354383 - 01/01/14 11:34 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Was the fast and the furious operation constitutional?



I don't know much about it, but it most likely was.  Why do you ask?


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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
    #19354407 - 01/01/14 11:41 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

I'm just wishing you weren't so robotic sometimes. I enjoy your posts.

Long story short what I'm getting at is they can say it is or isn't constitutional or whatever, but when they are writing they rules does it really matter if it is or isn't?

You could call this philosophy, or actuality. I have more examples but I'd rather talk to your human side, instead of your legal side.


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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19354424 - 01/01/14 11:48 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Of course it matters.  Any law they make that is unconstitutional has no legal effect.

So, on the human side, do you think an employer should be forced to hire and pay people he doesn't want to hire and pay?


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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: Enlil]
    #19354471 - 01/01/14 12:00 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

No. But on the opposite side of the coin he shouldn't be forced to fire someone because of some shitty out dated weed laws.

Prohibition pretty much sucks.

Regardless it's pretty much been imbedded in my brain the government only uses the law when it's in it's favor. I wish I could take all of this more serious.


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Re: Just because Colorado will let you smoke pot doesn’t mean your boss will [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19354479 - 01/01/14 12:03 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

He's not forced to fire anyone.  He's just got the option of firing...Not the obligation.


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