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Silvertip
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First Casings have small fruits?
#19349341 - 12/31/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hello shroomerites, I have been lurking here for a while and I am glad to finally be able to post even if its with concerns. I am currently towards the end of the first flush of my 3rd round of mushroom cultivation and this time I have attempted a casing. I cased a quart of wbs colonized by mazapatec in 50/50 verm/coir with a total substrate depth of about two inches. I am fruiting in a SGFC and have been misting and fanning every two hours or so. I have the best pinset I have accomplished so far but the substrate has started to shrink and while I am sure I am toward the end of fruiting, none of my mushroom are much bigger than 3 inches tall, but as you will see in the picture I dont think any of them are aborting from what I can tell. Is this normal, or based on what I have been reading I am curious if this is a humidity problem
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mushmagic
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Re: First Casings have small fruits? [Re: Silvertip]
#19349368 - 12/31/13 12:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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With larger pinsets the mushrooms tend to be of a little smaller stature and will have a few more aborts because the substrate can only support so much growth. Also the name of the on that tek is Damion50/50, the tek is actually more 70/30, just to clear that up.
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Re: First Casings have small fruits? [Re: mushmagic]
#19349376 - 12/31/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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looks like more of a substrate moisture issue which is common when fruits start sucking the moisture out, and a coir casing tek is 50/50...just to clear that up
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Re: First Casings have small fruits? [Re: cronicr]
#19349382 - 12/31/13 12:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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you can pur a little water around the edges and give them a heavy mist
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Silvertip
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Re: First Casings have small fruits? [Re: mushmagic]
#19349385 - 12/31/13 12:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thank you, since you didn't mention anything I am guessing things aren't looking too bad. I am always so paranoid when it comes to these kinds of things. I used the damion tek but didnt use any lime. Would I be better off next time using more coir then since you said it should be more like 70/30?
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Re: First Casings have small fruits? [Re: cronicr]
#19349389 - 12/31/13 12:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My bad I must have read that post a tad bit too fast I thought it was spawned to bulk. Thanks for clearing that up though cronic
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Re: First Casings have small fruits? [Re: mushmagic]
#19349391 - 12/31/13 12:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Silvertip said: Thank you, since you didn't mention anything I am guessing things aren't looking too bad.
looks great Quote:
mushmagic said: My bad I must have read that post a tad bit too fast I thought it was spawned to bulk. Thanks for clearing that up though cronic
maybe i misread it lol!
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Re: First Casings have small fruits? [Re: cronicr]
#19349407 - 12/31/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lol I think it was just a little misscommunication. And OP yes i would personally use a little more coir to verm next time
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Re: First Casings have small fruits? [Re: mushmagic]
#19349417 - 12/31/13 12:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: First Casings have small fruits? [Re: Silvertip]
#19349437 - 12/31/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Silvertip said: Thank you, since you didn't mention anything I am guessing things aren't looking too bad. I am always so paranoid when it comes to these kinds of things. I used the damion tek but didnt use any lime. Would I be better off next time using more coir then since you said it should be more like 70/30?
It may help to use a higher percentage of coir next time. The formulation of 50% coir/50% verm would be more suitable as a top casing layer, whereas the 70/30% mix may be better for the bulk substrate. Im trying to get you pointed in a direction that will help your studies. Im adding some things to use the search function to poke around and read. Please don't think I am insulting. I do my best to help when I can.
Casing is a tricky term. A casing layer is a top layer added @ full colonization to aid in creating ideal climates for pin formation. Search function: Late casing tek
Casing grain is basically plopping a wad of hydrated mass atop of a pile of grain. I have never done this method, which is why I am not specific with adjectives. Search Function : cased grain
Bulk is a term more specific to what you are doing. You are evenly mixing grains in a semi-nutritious mix. This is a "Bulk substrate". The most common bulk substrate is coir + verm @ 70/30% ratio. Others include horse manure and straw. search function: Bulk substrate.
Overall, it don't look bad. I would ditch the aluminum pan in the future or use a trash bag liner. That is one thing that I would really change. Cubes have been known to eat through them pans. Using a liner will do 2 things. It will shrink with your substrate and cling to the sides. This will help negate "side pins", and it will also keep the substrate off the aluminum.
I hope that helps a bit. For a 3rd attempt, you have surpassed me. I think my 3rd attempt ended with something looking and smelling like vomit.
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Silvertip
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I understand casings and bulk, and this is definitely not a bulk run. I have a quart of birdseed sandwiched between my casing layers, as a casing should be. Thanks for the idea of using plastic, as even with a casing layer it seems like it could really help with side pins. I will probably move away from the metal pans ins the near future when I move on to monotubs and bulk runs. I wanted to do something kinda small so all my eggs weren't in one basket.
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