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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #19348526 - 12/30/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I used to read microgram in the 90s - every LSD crystal tested around 68% pure but the color and size varied every time. coincidentally this is also why blotters were in the 60-70 microgram average at that time.

As it were I ate many doses from one of the guys who got busted with crystal that should have been that pure. no adverse effects whatsoever. sometimes there were vasoconstriction and sometimes there wasnt. same exact blotters. by ChinaCat's logic I should have had my fingers and toes amputated with how many of those doses I ate...

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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: D.M.T]
    #19348543 - 12/30/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I used to read microgram in the 90s - every LSD crystal tested around 68% pure but the color and size varied every time. coincidentally this is also why blotters were in the 60-70 microgram average at that time.




I would imagine sometimes color would be indicative of significant impurity and sometimes it would be superficial impurity.


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: D.M.T]
    #19348554 - 12/30/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You're obviously not getting the point. Have you ever thumbprinted with needlepoint? Have you ever thumbprinted with champagne? I'm starting to think you're a troll. There is clearly a difference in purity between white crystal needlepoint and black champagne. I actually don't think you've ever come in contact with good acid if you're doses are 68% pure. China cat stated that in the labs, some needlepoint batches tested to be 98% pure. I believe you are trolling and actually know nothing about LSD.


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: s240779]
    #19348557 - 12/30/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What makes you think a drug dealer is more informed than someone who actually does chemistry?




Sometimes experience trumps scientific research, especially when said scientific research is eventually determined to be inadequate and the experiences are finally quantified.

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what could be active in nanogram measurement that for some reason mass spectrometers have never been able to pick up in analysis?




I thought we were talking micrograms, not nanograms, and I don't necessarily think that many careful analyses have been done on champagne LSD.

How many papers have you read on the analysis of champagne LSD?

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Placebo is a powerful thing my friends...




I've seen reports on acid that seemed to be poor quality where the individual didn't even know the grade and therefore had no preconceptions.

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D.M.T said:Looking at a crystals color and saying how pure it is..thats just not scientifically feasible




But it's certainly indicative of potential impurities.



LSD and iso-LSD have been identified. anything else would need to be in nanogram measurement because it hasn't been. that's my point.

if you have access to journals you can see indeed they've done research into the subject of 'street acid' vs pharma grade LSD. forensic scientists tests LSD from busts and universities have published this info. it's not a secret you can't have very much slip without completely changing the reaction into something other than LSD.


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: D.M.T]
    #19348565 - 12/30/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have the terrible sneaking suspicion that chinacats and the other thumbprint guy were both accounts of a 17 year old kid with no life


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: Webster10]
    #19348566 - 12/30/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You're obviously not getting the point. Have you ever thumbprinted with needlepoint? Have you ever thumbprinted with champagne? I'm starting to think you're a troll. There is clearly a difference in purity between white crystal needlepoint and black champagne. I actually don't think you've ever come in contact with good acid if you're doses are 68% pure. China cat stated that in the labs, some needlepoint batches tested to be 98% pure. I believe you are trolling and actually know nothing about LSD.



Yeah dude.. I'm trolling.

Read my previous posts on the Shroomery if you still aren't fully convinced I'm a troll.


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: D.M.T]
    #19348569 - 12/30/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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D.M.T said:
if you have access to journals you can see indeed they've done research into the subject of 'street acid' vs pharma grade LSD. forensic scientists tests LSD from busts and universities have published this info. it's not a secret you can't have very much slip without completely changing the reaction into something other than LSD.




What you fail to take into account is that chances are all these chemical reports on acid that you've seen were probably good quality acid because most acid is good quality acid because on a few people make it in the entire world.


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: s240779]
    #19348581 - 12/30/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So 68% pure LSD is good quality acid but 50% pure is not? That makes no sense Da2ra


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: D.M.T]
    #19348588 - 12/30/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm stepping away from this thread.

I'm far too tired for this right now.


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #19348609 - 12/30/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I have the terrible sneaking suspicion that chinacats and the other thumbprint guy were both accounts of a 17 year old kid with no life



It's a tough call. A lot of it seems to be nostalgia-based.I was around then so I had to be eating and selling pages of the L they're talking about and one circle of people would say "man those yellow globes are dirty give me the turtles" so I'd give them the turtles, and the other group would say 'those turtles are weak dude i want the globes!!'.

after handling so much L thats why you can't convince me purity matters effects wise besides obviously diminishing them since there's less active material.


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: D.M.T]
    #19348663 - 12/30/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So 68% pure LSD is good quality acid but 50% pure is not? That makes no sense Da2ra




It makes sense to me. Let me emphasize that 68 is close to 70 and it could be much different than 50. You just can't appreciate such a difference, I guess.


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #19349101 - 12/30/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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No, you mightn't know what xtal it is, but you can feel the difference between crispy clean and weak, dirty L.

If it's good... you stock up while you can.

Calm your tits.



nah you can't.

"dirty" L is just weaker. body tension has nothing to do it. its dependent just like set and setting. dont believe me eat mushrooms from the same batch at same dose over a course of several months.

all LSD impurities are inactive. nothing harmful can remain in the L from synth without making it a completely other inactive compound altogether.

likewise LSD can be a variety of colors for the same purity. color is no indicator at all.




Thank you dmt for dropping some knowledge once again, thanks a ton thease myths need to be busted its insanely  important. I'm really grateful man no one needs this paranoia :grin:


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Chinacat 72 is, IMHO, the most informed person on LSD on shroomery. He stated that he went on a multi milligram dose of champagne and he thought he had ergot poisoning. I fully take his word for this. I believe both purity of crystal, set and setting have an effect on body load. You are going to have less body load on a needlepoint trip in isolated nature than on a champagne dose in a crowded stressful area no discussion. I do believe purity effects body load, however I do believe it's not the only factor that determines body load.



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Chinacat 72 is, IMHO, the most informed person on LSD on shroomery. He stated that he went on a multi milligram dose of champagne and he thought he had ergot poisoning. I fully take his word for this. I believe both purity of crystal, set and setting have an effect on body load. You are going to have less body load on a needlepoint trip in isolated nature than on a champagne dose in a crowded stressful area no discussion. I do believe purity effects body load, however I do believe it's not the only factor that determines body load.



  :woah: 
I'm surprised so meany people take chinacat72 serously he's got a big  ego for a deadhead and deff trickster  you think he actually Squirted lsd on his dick and stuffed some tour chick?
I think it's funny that no one elce seems to nodice that chinacat72 and whiterasta wink attach other whenever they say some thing rediculace..
a trickster can spot a trick a mile away, he should be better at it if he was on lot so long...
Fuck some times when I give out my "card" I wrap it in tinfoil and tell them I layed a single hit of lsd on it but they have to eat the whole thing and I wink at them (so any one smart knows there's not lsd on it) you know how meany people I've seen weight my number on there arm and eat blank cardbord I front of me, then I have to tell them I was joking and give the poor soul a real hit for eatin the paper like a champ.


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What makes you think a drug dealer is more informed than someone who actually does chemistry? :ilold: and :facepalm: all in one.
never seen a thing from the guy that sounds like he's 'in the know' - just another guy who handled doses in the 90s. so what?

what could be active in nanogram measurement that for some reason mass spectrometers have never been able to pick up in analysis? lsd's SAR is a sensitive one, there's not much room for impurity to begin with..

Placebo is a powerful thing my friends...

Smaller weighted crystals never form the same..ever..even at same purity. Looking at a crystals color and saying how pure it is..thats just not scientifically feasible, and neither is these magically unidentified impurities causing vasoconstriction but no other effects whatsoever.




Thank you, thank you, thank you for clearing this up
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I have the terrible sneaking suspicion that chinacats and the other thumbprint guy were both accounts of a 17 year old kid with no life



I'm not the olny one?! We should be friends, the shoomery is often cold when you doubt there almighty savior Chinacat72...
Don't get me wrong there great "stories" to read and are a little informative but it's like that other thread "stories of the psychedelic underground" you really think his mom sucked on a sheet because she thought it was drugs, come on man.....


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19349166 - 12/30/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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And ps thanks guys your all respected posters, so at higher doses we have to worry about impurities? Do thease impurities do any thing at larger doses? I'm olny being obsessive because I read an idoit post that the alkaloids can kill you at high doses... Olny posers die right :grin:




Dirty acid will feel dirty and it will be weak. It won't kill you.

Still, very much worth continuing in your search for something clean.



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KingKnowledge said:
Honestly if I saw black crystal, I wouldn't touch it.




Not with a ten foot pole



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Into The Woods said:
No, you mightn't know what xtal it is, but you can feel the difference between crispy clean and weak, dirty L.

If it's good... you stock up while you can.

Calm your tits.



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Da2ra said:
Yeah, I totally disagree with user D.M.T. Who wouldn't believe chinacat72 (LSD: Crystal to Blotter), someone with a very high level of experience.




QFT

Sorry D.M.T.



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I'm stepping away from this thread.

I'm far too tired for this right now.




Tired or afraid to be wrong? it's okay to be wrong, we often are when we're just guessing!:shrug: and there's olny an handful of us that actually know these truths because so little of us Handel xtal and know its properties.
I'm so glad this is cleared up and even more happy that out "street grade" LSD and its impurities couldn't hurt a fly if it wanted to.Witch extends my happiness now I know is safe to buy this strong sheet for my friends and I.
:bearbreakdance:
Stoke is HIGH!
Thanks again D.M.T. This is Helping the community I'm sure..


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: Lucid Toast]
    #19349936 - 12/31/13 06:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Lucid Toast said:
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Lucid Toast said:
And ps thanks guys your all respected posters, so at higher doses we have to worry about impurities? Do thease impurities do any thing at larger doses? I'm olny being obsessive because I read an idoit post that the alkaloids can kill you at high doses... Olny posers die right :grin:




Dirty acid will feel dirty and it will be weak. It won't kill you.

Still, very much worth continuing in your search for something clean.



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Into The Woods said:
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KingKnowledge said:
Honestly if I saw black crystal, I wouldn't touch it.




Not with a ten foot pole



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Into The Woods said:
No, you mightn't know what xtal it is, but you can feel the difference between crispy clean and weak, dirty L.

If it's good... you stock up while you can.

Calm your tits.



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Into The Woods said:
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Da2ra said:
Yeah, I totally disagree with user D.M.T. Who wouldn't believe chinacat72 (LSD: Crystal to Blotter), someone with a very high level of experience.




QFT

Sorry D.M.T.



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I'm stepping away from this thread.

I'm far too tired for this right now.




Tired or afraid to be wrong? it's okay to be wrong, we often are when we're just guessing!:shrug: and there's olny an handful of us that actually know these truths because so little of us Handel xtal and know its properties.
I'm so glad this is cleared up and even more happy that out "street grade" LSD and its impurities couldn't hurt a fly if it wanted to.Witch extends my happiness now I know is safe to buy this strong sheet for my friends and I.
:bearbreakdance:
Stoke is HIGH!
Thanks again D.M.T. This is Helping the community I'm sure..



Once fucking again, take a thumbprint of needlepoint, then take a thumbprint of champagne, and honestly tell me there is no difference in body load. Of course when kiddies on the street buy one tab and say they can feel the difference in body load, they are BS'ing and have no idea what they're talking about. But when you eat 50-90mg's of crystalline LSD that is 95% pure, and then 50% pure, you are bound to notice differences. I am glad to clear this up for everyone. And about thinking Chinacat72 is a bored 17 year old, I could claim the same about any of you. Although I can't say for certain, I think chinacat72 is the real deal.


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: Lucid Toast]
    #19350040 - 12/31/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Lucid Toast said:
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Into The Woods said:
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Lucid Toast said:
And ps thanks guys your all respected posters, so at higher doses we have to worry about impurities? Do thease impurities do any thing at larger doses? I'm olny being obsessive because I read an idoit post that the alkaloids can kill you at high doses... Olny posers die right :grin:




Dirty acid will feel dirty and it will be weak. It won't kill you.

Still, very much worth continuing in your search for something clean.



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Into The Woods said:
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KingKnowledge said:
Honestly if I saw black crystal, I wouldn't touch it.




Not with a ten foot pole



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Into The Woods said:
No, you mightn't know what xtal it is, but you can feel the difference between crispy clean and weak, dirty L.

If it's good... you stock up while you can.

Calm your tits.



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Into The Woods said:
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Da2ra said:
Yeah, I totally disagree with user D.M.T. Who wouldn't believe chinacat72 (LSD: Crystal to Blotter), someone with a very high level of experience.




QFT

Sorry D.M.T.



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I'm stepping away from this thread.

I'm far too tired for this right now.




Tired or afraid to be wrong? it's okay to be wrong, we often are when we're just guessing!:shrug: and there's olny an handful of us that actually know these truths because so little of us Handel xtal and know its properties.
I'm so glad this is cleared up and even more happy that out "street grade" LSD and its impurities couldn't hurt a fly if it wanted to.Witch extends my happiness now I know is safe to buy this strong sheet for my friends and I.
:bearbreakdance:
Stoke is HIGH!
Thanks again D.M.T. This is Helping the community I'm sure..




Tired. I'd been awake for about 22 hours. The thread escalated, I was exhausted and didn't feel like engaging in an argument.

And no, I never said that dirty L is going to be harmful.

Some xtal is cleaner, with higher purity than other xtal. Not all LSD is the same in that sense. Quality varies. That's it. That's the extent to what I was saying.

Jesus Christ, man.


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: Webster10]
    #19350041 - 12/31/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Webster please prove that anyone has ever actually done a "thumbprint???" Also please prove that chinacats and the other guy were actually who they claimed to be? Idk...


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: Webster10]
    #19350412 - 12/31/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Lucid Toast said:
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Into The Woods said:
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Lucid Toast said:
And ps thanks guys your all respected posters, so at higher doses we have to worry about impurities? Do thease impurities do any thing at larger doses? I'm olny being obsessive because I read an idoit post that the alkaloids can kill you at high doses... Olny posers die right :grin:




Dirty acid will feel dirty and it will be weak. It won't kill you.

Still, very much worth continuing in your search for something clean.



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Into The Woods said:
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KingKnowledge said:
Honestly if I saw black crystal, I wouldn't touch it.




Not with a ten foot pole



Quote:

Into The Woods said:
No, you mightn't know what xtal it is, but you can feel the difference between crispy clean and weak, dirty L.

If it's good... you stock up while you can.

Calm your tits.



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Into The Woods said:
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Da2ra said:
Yeah, I totally disagree with user D.M.T. Who wouldn't believe chinacat72 (LSD: Crystal to Blotter), someone with a very high level of experience.




QFT

Sorry D.M.T.



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Into The Woods said:
I'm stepping away from this thread.

I'm far too tired for this right now.




Tired or afraid to be wrong? it's okay to be wrong, we often are when we're just guessing!:shrug: and there's olny an handful of us that actually know these truths because so little of us Handel xtal and know its properties.
I'm so glad this is cleared up and even more happy that out "street grade" LSD and its impurities couldn't hurt a fly if it wanted to.Witch extends my happiness now I know is safe to buy this strong sheet for my friends and I.
:bearbreakdance:
Stoke is HIGH!
Thanks again D.M.T. This is Helping the community I'm sure..



Once fucking again, take a thumbprint of needlepoint, then take a thumbprint of champagne, and honestly tell me there is no difference in body load. Of course when kiddies on the street buy one tab and say they can feel the difference in body load, they are BS'ing and have no idea what they're talking about. But when you eat 50-90mg's of crystalline LSD that is 95% pure, and then 50% pure, you are bound to notice differences. I am glad to clear this up for everyone. And about thinking Chinacat72 is a bored 17 year old, I could claim the same about any of you. Although I can't say for certain, I think chinacat72 is the real deal.




Dude you take a thumbprint and after you survive you can tell me it's real. Then ill finish reading your paragraph.untill then stop posting bullshit om the shoomery were trying to clear up myths surrounding lsd and other drugs we don't need people like this here.
Thumbprints aren't real.


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“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the Weather.”
Bill Hicks


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: Lucid Toast]
    #19350651 - 12/31/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You're talking about clearing up myths about LSD and now you're claiming that thumbprints aren't real?

All right, well in the interest of clearing this up, do you have anything to back this statement up with?

Or is it just your own disbelief?


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #19350903 - 12/31/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Webster please prove that anyone has ever actually done a "thumbprint???" Also please prove that chinacats and the other guy were actually who they claimed to be? Idk...




It's actually pretty easy to prove. LSD exists in crystal form. LSD gets absorbed through your skin. Thus SOMEONE OUT THERE has put a small crystal on their thumb and tripped...


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Re: Can champagne/black xtal hurt you over time? [Re: Lucid Toast]
    #19350922 - 12/31/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you, Lucid Toast, you have proven yourself to indeed be a troll or a moron. Robert Hunter took .25 grams of crystalline LSD. So there's your thumbprint. I'd rather not argue whether or not thumbprints exist becuase it is clear to anyone with a functioning brain that thumbprints are real. The debate was whether crystal purity affects body load. And the definitive answer is: When taking microgram range doses, NO. When taking multi milligram doses, YES. Please don't try to argue. I and others have provided enough evidence. If you don't accept this evidence, that is your bussiness.


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