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1down5up
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About to try bulk, wonder if this is gonna work?
#19347684 - 12/30/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just making sure this is the right stuff...it says it coconut husk, so i assume it is, but need a definitive answer.
 
also picked up some of these for spore print jars...and other jars....I assume there's really only one type of injection port plugs..and they seem to be it.

I have access to gypsum, 100% organic worm castings, Verm, Coir and WBS. I can't seem to find rye berries anywhere. I have a few teks in mind to try, but i'm wondering if anyone has used worm castings with bulk, and what sort of ratios i should be working with. I plan on doing more reading, but I'm gonna have to get practical with it to fully understand it...its just the way my mind works. I've got my first BRF tek grow all but over with (just waiting out a few more flushes) before i start my second with cakes. I've got some great performers colonizing so far, and plan on cloning and printing the best ones so i can bulk the motherfuckers.
Thanks to any and all for their insight and advice
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Re: About to try bulk, wonder if this is gonna work? [Re: 1down5up]
#19347698 - 12/30/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, all of that is the right stuff. Yes, I've used worm castings in small amounts--a handful or two per monotub, typically. Glad to hear you're switching to bulk.
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Re: About to try bulk, wonder if this is gonna work? [Re: 1down5up]
#19347733 - 12/30/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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that coconut husk should work fine. iv used a ratio of 80% coir to 20% verm with a handful of gypsum and had great success. I use a spawn ratio of 1 part WBS spawn to 2 parts coir verm, most people seem to prefer 1:3 but either will work. iv never used worm castings mainly because I feel the more things you add to your sub the more chances you have for contams. keep it simple follow witch ever tek you choose to the T and good luck.
Edited by MudaFuka (01/03/14 12:58 AM)
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Re: About to try bulk, wonder if this is gonna work? [Re: 1down5up]
#19347744 - 12/30/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've never used that brand of coir, but it looks correct.
I would reccommend sticking with simply verm coir and gypsum (last not necessary) for a first bulk. Master the art of pasteurization on coir. Coir is very forgiving, and some studies suggest it works just as well sterilized as it does pasteurized.
However, adding ANYTHING other than coir/verm/gypsum will require very specific attention to pasteurization temps and times.
Also, I have never used injection ports. As you transition to clones and agar, you will find out that needles are a thing of the past. Most users create a "SHIP" (Self healing injection port) out of nothing more than a nice healthy glob of heat resistant silicone (Red rtv sealant).
If you cannot find rye berry, look into WBS (wild bird seed). The generic bags of "economy" mix usually do the trick. Specifically avoid any grain that has a high number of cracked corn AND/or hulled sunflowers. Both of these ingredients have been known to cause clumping issues.
You will need gas exchange through your jar lids. Some use poly fill, some use tyvex, and some yet use "SFD" (synthetic filter disc). There is a world of lid teks out there. Identifying your needs will help you better decide what holes need to be in the lid, but I cannot see one reason to use a SHIP on a jar that will be receiving agar wedges or a G2G (grain-to-grain transfer) .
I would also highly advise creating a SAB (still air box). They are the poor-man's flow hood, and are surprisingly effective.
Hope that gives you enough to chew on for a bit.
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Re: About to try bulk, wonder if this is gonna work? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
#19347909 - 12/30/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks guys, great help. I'm not sure if i want to use the worm castings, i just know they're around, and if it were beneficial to use them, then i would, but i don't want to complicate things, so i'll scratch it for now. Maybe i'll give it a hook with more experience.
@MudaFuka Does the 1:2 give you a better pinset than a 1:3? I know it's prob faster colonization time...It's not a cost thing for me, i'm not trying to be economical about it, i just want to be successful. I've a few tek's in mind, I might even try a few at once to see how it goes.
@Whippy I've been reading a lot about pasteurization of coir, and how the beneficial microbes help keep contams at bay so it's not a good idea to get it too hot for too long. I'm glad it's forgiving, cuz i'll need that for my first shot.
I've got the injection ports because i plan on taking spore prints from clones of great performers, and then fruiting and cloning those as well, then repeating the process. I'll put the spore print in a small jar, then afterwards inject sterile water, shake it, and suck it back up to make a spore syringe. I don't even know if that's feasible, but i want to try it. My G2G and agar jars will only have the SFD and no IP. I also want to try my hand at LC down the road, (tried it once already, but i don't have anything in the jar to break up mycelium...fucked it lol) and i've read that the injec ports are the way to go for those. Here's what it looked like a few days ago...

I've been scoping out the WBS in my area, and there's tons of it around...all kinds, brands, ingredients etc. I've scoped out the right kind, but haven't bought it yet 
This is my SAB...it's what i use for spore printing and knocking up my jars. I wipe it down with lysol wipes, put everything inside, then wipe my gloves with alc wipes before i start anything. So far, i haven't lost anything to contams....few little noob scares, but nothing i've had to throw out. I thank my SAB for that.

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Re: About to try bulk, wonder if this is gonna work? [Re: 1down5up]
#19347926 - 12/30/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: About to try bulk, wonder if this is gonna work? [Re: cronicr]
#19347983 - 12/30/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I couldn't tell you weather 1:2 gives a better pin set than 1:3 because iv never tried 1:3. it dose colonize Quick and my last couple pin sets were great but with MS pin set is sort of a crap shoot. A higher ratio of spawn to sub dose give you more nutes for later flushes.
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Re: About to try bulk, wonder if this is gonna work? [Re: MudaFuka]
#19348012 - 12/30/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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if yourusing cakes use a cheese grater and up to 1:4 is is easy enough as you get a shit load of innoc points
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Re: About to try bulk, wonder if this is gonna work? [Re: 1down5up]
#19348052 - 12/30/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
1down5up said: I've got the injection ports because i plan on taking spore prints from clones of great performers, and then fruiting and cloning those as well, then repeating the process. I'll put the spore print in a small jar, then afterwards inject sterile water, shake it, and suck it back up to make a spore syringe.
It would work. No spore syringe is 100% clean, unless the whole process was totally sterile from start to finish. Most of us simply do not have the capacity to create sterile mushrooms. Agar work will be your friend. You will see. I can tell from speaking to you that you are both intelligent AND determined. These characteristics eventually end up with agar petri dishes or No-pour dishes. That needle/plunger will never be needed again. You will look back and laugh and ask yourself why you made it complicated those times.
Clones are made by taking clean fruit body from inside the mushroom, and putting it to agar. After a few transfers you will have a perfect clone mycelium growing in a dish. All that mycelium will want is grain and bulk.
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Re: About to try bulk, wonder if this is gonna work? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
#19348063 - 12/30/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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keep your syringes, they come in handy when you start getting into things like pans which lc's kick ass for
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Re: About to try bulk, wonder if this is gonna work? [Re: MudaFuka]
#19348064 - 12/30/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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When i try bulk, i won't be using MS, i will clone the best performers of my next round of BRF cakes with this tek to WBS. [(edit) at least until i get some real agar.] I'd like to have some reasonably stable genes before i do though, so that's why i'm going to try that tek to knock up the WBS.
More nutes for later flushes sounds great imo. Is there a fine line between later flushes and higher contam rates for bulk? Is it better to spend all your nutes by flush ~2 to avoid higher rates of contams?
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Edited by 1down5up (12/30/13 07:24 PM)
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Re: About to try bulk, wonder if this is gonna work? [Re: 1down5up]
#19348076 - 12/30/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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80 % of your yield on average will come from the first two flushes, after that it's a bonus IMO
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Re: About to try bulk, wonder if this is gonna work? [Re: cronicr]
#19348092 - 12/30/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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so would it be best to use just enough sub and spawn for two flushes?...also, does the contam rate rise with later flushes? It would seem to make sense to me...the longer it takes, the better the chance of fuck ups...
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Re: About to try bulk, wonder if this is gonna work? [Re: 1down5up]
#19348115 - 12/30/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes your sub gets weaker as time goes on and nutes are consumed
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Re: About to try bulk, wonder if this is gonna work? [Re: cronicr]
#19348146 - 12/30/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If i can get 80% of my weight from the first two flushes, I'll be aiming for that. The rest seems like more work, greater risk....alot like running 3 blocks to the store, just to spend a quarter.
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Re: About to try bulk, wonder if this is gonna work? [Re: 1down5up]
#19348179 - 12/30/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: About to try bulk, wonder if this is gonna work? [Re: 1down5up]
#19359575 - 01/02/14 04:51 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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1down5up said: If i can get 80% of my weight from the first two flushes, I'll be aiming for that. The rest seems like more work, greater risk....alot like running 3 blocks to the store, just to spend a quarter.
I don't agree. I'm with cronicr here--it takes less effort to keep a monotub going than it does for me to walk it to the curb. I let them go until they contaminate.
That said, I grow primarily to have something fun to come home to and I don't need to have a high-yield flush going at all times.
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Re: About to try bulk, wonder if this is gonna work? [Re: Psilicon]
#19359712 - 01/02/14 05:14 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Me neither really...don't need a high yield flush....hence the 3rd flush sacrifice. I just grow cuz i like it. I always pic enough lib's to last me the year, but somehow eating my own is just better.
I don't really want to let them go till they contaminate, because i don't want ANY contams in my house...possibly affecting future grows. If i lose ~20% of my weight to help reduce the risk of contams, then that's an accepted casualty. I've read that trich spores get everywhere, and in this game that seems to be quite a disadvantage....especially for this noob.
While I do agree with you, it's almost no work at all to let them go...a few mists here, a few fans there, I just dont like the idea of inviting contams for what seems to be very little weight. Cheers mate!
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Re: About to try bulk, wonder if this is gonna work? [Re: 1down5up]
#19359735 - 01/02/14 05:19 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Good luck on your bulk grow.
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Re: About to try bulk, wonder if this is gonna work? [Re: lostmind]
#19362747 - 01/03/14 10:30 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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thanks brother almost got all the things i need to get going.
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