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Fresh stones to dried cubes... equivilency
    #19347168 - 12/30/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Posting this here because apparently people in the Experience forum appear a bit eh... inexperienced.

What do you folks think would be the equivalent of an eighth of dried cubes in fresh stones? ATL 7 to be most specific.

I'm trying to get a good consensus among the populi.


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Re: Fresh stones to dried cubes... equivilency [Re: deuxtroxin]
    #19347399 - 12/30/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

In your last tread you were asking for a "consensus" not strictly experienced users. Maybe you should have specified.


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Re: Fresh stones to dried cubes... equivilency [Re: cgsjames]
    #19347405 - 12/30/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

30g


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Re: Fresh stones to dried cubes... equivilency [Re: GoldenArrow]
    #19347562 - 12/30/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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30g



30 grams of stones is about 6 grams of cubes. Check out some of "Cervantes" Philosopher stone posts.


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Re: Fresh stones to dried cubes... equivilency [Re: cgsjames]
    #19347587 - 12/30/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think i'll just take 30g of atl7 instead....oh wait, I did, and it was equivalent strength to about a 3.5g cube trip (but different) :P


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Re: Fresh stones to dried cubes... equivilency [Re: GoldenArrow]
    #19347589 - 12/30/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Fresh Sclerotia is twice as potent as fresh cubes.  3.5g of dried shrooms = 35grams fresh, therefore you would need 17.5g fresh sclerotia to get a similar dose.


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Re: Fresh stones to dried cubes... equivilency [Re: Gorlami]
    #19347616 - 12/30/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well looks like OP abandoned his own post :rolleyes:...


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Re: Fresh stones to dried cubes... equivilency [Re: Gorlami]
    #19347626 - 12/30/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'd definitely agree with that in theory and if you want to go on the safe side sure, but I've had 10g doses of truffles that have done nothing and hit about a level 2 off 18.5. I think due to the lesser visuals I just underestimate stone trips maybe, but 30g was about as much as I'd call comfortable.


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Re: Fresh stones to dried cubes... equivilency [Re: Gorlami]
    #19347636 - 12/30/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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whalechunks said:
Fresh Sclerotia is twice as potent as fresh cubes.  3.5g of dried shrooms = 35grams fresh, therefore you would need 17.5g fresh sclerotia to get a similar dose.




that would be the accurate math, but word seems to be a little mixed on how potency can increase based on if the stones were harvested 7 weeks after inoculation or 6 months after inoculation.

Then from another thread I found this through the use of the Search Function.

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Aldebaran said:
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how many psilocybe pajaritos wet = cubensis or sumthing like that dry?




As far as I know, pajaritos is another name for mexicana, so you would expect it to be fairly average potency. Which leads to the question - what is the average potency of "magic truffles" (sclerotia)?

I eat these "magic truffles" quite often in Holland, but I've only had access to cubes a few times, and the question of how sclerotia dosage compares to cubes interests me a lot. I've been trying to work out some kind of systematic comparison, based on my own experience and comments in threads from people that eat both cubes and magic truffles...

One problem is that the actual potency of sclerotia can vary enormously, even from one batch to another of the same product from the same source. A ballpark figure is that 15g fresh (wet) truffles = 3g dry cubes, but this assumes that your truffles are reasonably potent, and is probably more realistic for home-cultivated stuff. Commercial sclerotia is of variable potency and quality (for example the cultivator may be more interested in achieving bulk than potency) so in reality you won't know until you try it!

Like I said, I've been trying to work out a rough scale to compare the potency of sclerotia to cubes. This is how I would rate the potency of (fresh) commercial sclerotia against a 'standard' 1g dose of (dry) cubes:

1g cubes = 3g ultra strong sclerotia
1g cubes = 4g very strong sclerotia
1g cubes = 5g strong sclerotia
1g cubes = 6g medium+ sclerotia
1g cubes = 7g medium- sclerotia
1g cubes = 8g mild sclerotia
1g cubes = 9g weak sclerotia
1g cubes = 10g very weak sclerotia

For example, if you ate 15g of sclerotia and it gave you the equivalent of a 5g cube trip (which is pretty unlikely), it would be 'ultra strong' on this scale. If it gave you the equivalent of a 1.5g cube trip, it would be 'very weak'. If it gave you something in the region of a 2.5g cube trip, it would be medium potency.

A 7.5g dose of sclerotia is probably not going to do much more than make you feel a bit weird, I doubt you would get much of a genuine "trip" out of it. There is a kind of "threshold" dosage, which means that below this dosage, the drug is in your system but the effects are barely perceptible. For example, you might eat 10g of sclerotia, sit around for an hour, and feel almost nothing. Then you might decide to eat another 10g, and find that the effects escalate rapidly and become very obvious. For this reason, it's very easy to underdose if you are too cautious, or plunge into a very strong trip if you are too confident....

Sclerotia has a nasty habit of being either a lot weaker or a lot stronger than you expect it to be! The marketing may give you a clue (e.g if it's advertised as being strong) but in general 15g is a kind of 'standard' dose, 10g is a light dose, less than that is probably going to be a waste of time (unless it's being advertised as something unusually strong).

Experienced trippers would probably need to eat more than 15g of average sclerotia to get a strong trip, but it's a good idea to test the potency before eating larger amounts (for example by eating 15g initially, then waiting an hour before redosing).




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Re: Fresh stones to dried cubes... equivilency [Re: Lazarus.Long]
    #19347753 - 12/30/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hey Lazarus!  I've read of such claims, where the longer you let them sit undisturbed, the more potent they are.  I guess there are so many variables it's imposible to compare one with the other... that even goes for the same variety of cubes, even between flushes, or fruits within the same cluster.

I resorted to math for the convenience, but ultimately it's anyones guess. :p


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