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Still getting anxiety even months after tripping
    #19346848 - 12/30/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ok I dunno where I need to start but I try. I have tripped for about 10-12 times so far. Which includes really good experiences and also really bad ones. At most times I trip at low doses but everytime I got a bad experience I get bad dark thoughts even weeks and sometimes months after tripping. You can kinda compare the feeling that Leonardo Dicarpio has in Inception that he thinks the world around him is just a dream (and this is one of the many bad thoughts I sometimes have). Even though it’s very unlikely that this world is a dream I still cannot get rid of these thoughts. And this is very annoying and even depresses me from time to time.

Maybe I can’t accept that some things that I experienced during my trips can’t be explained if you take them in real life. Or maybe I just don’t understand some of my trips and my mind made a story of itself. Either way I’m really afraid to trip even at very low doses (1 gram or less). But somehow I feel that my answers to my problems right now might lie in tripping. Or maybe I should quit it all together because at the moment it brought me more fear than joy. These kinds of things also make me wonder why people have such good experiences with it. Does that mean that I did not understand some if my trips? Or is tripping maybe just not something for me? Because when I had fun experiences I absolutely loved tripping..


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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: spikeycloud]
    #19346897 - 12/30/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like you need to work on things sober before you trip more, take a small break, dont force tripping, the anwsers are inside YOU!


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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: Grateful Dead]
    #19347226 - 12/30/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I completely understand where you're coming from. After tripping so many times, every time I tripped I felt as if reality around me was somehow fake or that I'm in a simulation like the Matrix, etc. This is also accompanied by an extreme feeling of deja vu as if I've somehow already seen all of this in a previous dream and that I had somehow seen into the future or that I'm living in the past...quite the paradox indeed.

Personally, the only way I could overcome this overwhelming sense of eeriness and doom was to fight fire with fire. I used a subsequent trip thereafter to combat this anxiety and take control of myself and the world around me, while at the same time not becoming so obsessed in my own individual selfishness.

Not to downplay Grateful Dead's advice, but when I stated "fight fire with fire" I meant that I needed to trip again in order to overcome the anxiety initially caused by tripping itself. While Grateful Dead's advice worked for him, my advice worked for myself. Which brings me to the conclusion I've had about psychedelics all along; the psychedelic experience is such a unique and individual experience that it affects each person differently, so only you can truly know how to overcome your own personal anxiety, all I can do is offer my personal insight on how all of this worked for me.

It is important to note, however, that I overcame this anxiety with the most surreal set and setting for this trip. The trip was with my best friend of all time. We've been friends for as long as I can remember being alive. He's more than a friend, a brother, or a family member to me. He is as much a part of my life as my own self and vice versa. Also, this trip was done with LSD, which I consider the single greatest substance of all time.

Just trying to put everything into perspective. I hope this helped.


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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: spikeycloud]
    #19347273 - 12/30/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Does that mean that I did not understand some if my trips?




Maybe it's because you have some sort of preconceived notion about how things are supposed to be, or how the trip is supposed to be, and it stops you from experiencing it for what it is and even causes anxiety?

Also, even IF your life is a dream, the experiences you have are still real and they still affect you whether they're an illusion or not so that shouldn't stop you from enjoying life or trying to achieve things.


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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: spikeycloud]
    #19347307 - 12/30/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think that many of us have had similar experiences and side effects--it might be wise to take a break and recover a bit longer before getting too deep. I had to take a decade-long trip break and turned into an alcoholic to hide some of the symptoms. Complete soberness (no alcohol, etc.) was the only way to truly fight it all head-on.

I came back once it got boring again though :smile:


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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19347345 - 12/30/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Does that mean that I did not understand some if my trips?




Maybe it's because you have some sort of preconceived notion about how things are supposed to be, or how the trip is supposed to be, and it stops you from experiencing it for what it is and even causes anxiety?

Also, even IF your life is a dream, the experiences you have are still real and they still affect you whether they're an illusion or not so that shouldn't stop you from enjoying life or trying to achieve things.




Pretty much this. If you think reality might be a dream, get down to trying to dissect what a dream vs reality really is and the whole thing becomes completely ambiguous. If you want to trip you need to be willing to ignore your preconceptions of life. That should not stop you from enjoying life, in fact it should completely liberate you. Your life now has the potential for spectrum rather that our initial dichotomies and static realities


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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19408763 - 01/12/14 03:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have to admit that I always take reality in my trip and vice versa. And if something that happens cannot be explained in real life, I mostly get very scared. It's for me not like a movie or a dream where it is all fake. But tripping happens in the same reality so I somehow always want to imbed it in real life. Like if someone on tv really sees you sitting. I guess I just want an explanation in real live for things like that before I can give it peace. I should not do that though but I guess I have troubles to get control over that sometimes.

Also that you can change your reality depending on what you believe somehow scares me a bit too..


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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: spikeycloud]
    #19409015 - 01/12/14 04:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I haven't tripped for a while, but I know exactly what you are talking about and I've read a lot of Grof to figure out how to deal with this problem myself. So I'm just gonna say what he says.

He basically agrees with Nihon on this. First this means that you have to face these thoughts and accept them. Then you may be able to see through them.

We are all humans and being faced with your own death shows you how all these things you have found and created in life, all these things and experiences that make life worthwhile are going to be taken away from you eventually. There is no way out of this.
However, the answer to this problem lies within you and everyone of us. It is part of our human lives. This is what Grof calls "transcendence". The only advice I can give for finding this answer is: Let go.

Find yourself an adequate setting, ideally not alone, be in a refreshed state of mind and explore who you are. This can be done with or without psychedelics. If you choose the former, you know the rule "drug, set, setting" and I advice to have someone close around so you can get fully immersed into the experience.

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I have to admit that I always take reality in my trip and vice versa. And if something that happens cannot be explained in real life, I mostly get very scared. It's for me not like a movie or a dream where it is all fake. But tripping happens in the same reality so I somehow always want to imbed it in real life. Like if someone on tv really sees you sitting. I guess I just want an explanation in real live for things like that before I can give it peace. I should not do that though but I guess I have troubles to get control over that sometimes.

Also that you can change your reality depending on what you believe somehow scares me a bit too..




What Psychedelics do is they unselectively amplify conscious processes and through this they show you your own mind.


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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: spikeycloud] * 1
    #19409984 - 01/12/14 08:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Ok I dunno where I need to start but I try. I have tripped for about 10-12 times so far. Which includes really good experiences and also really bad ones. At most times I trip at low doses but everytime I got a bad experience I get bad dark thoughts even weeks and sometimes months after tripping. You can kinda compare the feeling that Leonardo Dicarpio has in Inception that he thinks the world around him is just a dream (and this is one of the many bad thoughts I sometimes have). Even though it’s very unlikely that this world is a dream I still cannot get rid of these thoughts. And this is very annoying and even depresses me from time to time.

Maybe I can’t accept that some things that I experienced during my trips can’t be explained if you take them in real life. Or maybe I just don’t understand some of my trips and my mind made a story of itself. Either way I’m really afraid to trip even at very low doses (1 gram or less). But somehow I feel that my answers to my problems right now might lie in tripping. Or maybe I should quit it all together because at the moment it brought me more fear than joy. These kinds of things also make me wonder why people have such good experiences with it. Does that mean that I did not understand some if my trips? Or is tripping maybe just not something for me? Because when I had fun experiences I absolutely loved tripping..




But the world around you IS just a dream, a fantasy creation of what appears to be your mind.  Everything is fundamentally empty, devoid of meaning, inescapably arbitrary and pointless.  Believing it to be something else is an ego game, the very thing that keeps you tied to it and subject to karma. 

Things happen in trips that cannot be explained in sober reality.  Nevertheless they happen.  Accept it and change your SOBER reality until it starts to make some sort of sense, that at least is a beginning - not a way out, but a way in.

:peace:PS

PS I give you a link to Buddhist sources about this topic, be aware though that understanding this way is one of the most difficult things you will ever undertake to do, and don't start unless you mean to finish. :thumbup:


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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: spikeycloud]
    #19425839 - 01/16/14 12:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I completely understand what you are trying to express here, I am going through the same thing. Instead of fearing the uneasy experience, I've come to embrace it and rather enjoy it in a humbling, grateful to be alive, kind of way. Some people pursue the joyous hallucinatory aspect of the mushroom and others bite down on something while meeting hell straight on. Often at times it would occur to me during the really morbid trips that I should give it up out of fear, and conform to the game of life as everyone else does. This would be fine if not for the fact that I ferociously crave answers to the mystery of existence. It may mean something or it may not, but either way I am a better person than I once was. It's up to you to decide the meaning to your life and to figure out what is important. Best of luck on your journeys my friend.


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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #19476200 - 01/26/14 11:07 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

What do you mean with that? If the world is just a dream then other people are as well? I find that very disturbing and hard to believe. I can't imagine that anyone wants to believe that.

What I do believe is that how you experience the world is not how the world really is. Like that if you have a believe that nobody likes you while this is not true in reality. That would make a lot more sense to me.


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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: spikeycloud]
    #19476716 - 01/26/14 01:03 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

It's a fantasy created by your mind to make some kind of sense of reality, an illusion of substance and form, none of which has any genuine reality.  Find it disturbing if you like, that makes no difference, as it's just another part of your ego derived fantasy. :shrug:

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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #19476802 - 01/26/14 01:19 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

The responses don't really illustrate the situation.. OP, come with me.

Let's take a look at psychedelics first. All psychedelics. They open doors in your mind, doors of perception. Some are good doors some are bad doors. The psychedelic experience will open and close these doors like crazy, and every psychedelic experience is something to learn from. If it's something to learn about yourself, and the inner workings of the universe, excellent! If it's something to learn about harm reduction and drug usage, that's great too! The important thing is to take something away from every experience you have, psychedelic or not!

When these doors of perception open and close, your thoughts are on a rollercoaster. Sometimes, you feel like you've seen all the negativity in the world. These sorts of depression are triggered by your own thought processes, not by psychedelics. It's not an amphetamine comedown depression, if you know what I mean.

The idea is to ACCEPT. ACCEPT that we don't know jack shit about the inner workings of the universe and that it's a life long pursuit of enlightenment. We have no clue if this is a dream, or if this is real, or if there are aliens, or if we connect to ancestors on psychedelics, etc. There's no telling, and we'll probably never know. Bask in this unknown world!

It's down to YOU to see the beauty in the world. The drugs aren't doing shit. It's your mind.

The only problem here would be if you have an underlying mental disorder, at which point dismiss everything I've said lol.


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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19476863 - 01/26/14 01:30 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

I don't buy this whole "the world is a dream" shit. The way we perceive it MIGHT be an illusion in some ways, but really we're just animals that have been lucky/blessed enough to evolve high intelligence. But I think some of us come to errors in our conclusions about the world due to this ability to think. We take a misguided thought and run with it to create these outlandish theories.


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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19476955 - 01/26/14 01:49 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

The last thing might be indeed be possible. Because in most of those trips I did not experience scary things I only thought them. And I kept worrying about those thoughts in the trip and even sober. This was all on very low doses btw.

I don't want to take higher doses for this reason even though it might show me that I'm completely wrong how I think about tripping now. Don't want to take the risk that I will feel even worse. Because I'm already feeling very negatively.


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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: spikeycloud]
    #19477003 - 01/26/14 02:02 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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The last thing might be indeed be possible. Because in most of those trips I did not experience scary things I only thought them. And I kept worrying about those thoughts in the trip and even sober. This was all on very low doses btw.

I don't want to take higher doses for this reason even though it might show me that I'm completely wrong how I think about tripping now. Don't want to take the risk that I will feel even worse. Because I'm already feeling very negatively.




Definitely. However I think you might get some benefit from taking a low dose and sorting out your thoughts. That is, of course, if you ever plan on bothering with psychedelics again.


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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19477021 - 01/26/14 02:05 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

OP I used to have those feelings all the time, feeling like reality was fake

even after egodeath it is normal to feel

just accept it, but take a long break from tripping
it gets rarer the less you trip, I took many months break

and if you smoke weed it would be a good time to stop, weed makes it much worse IMO, had to stop


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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: lessismore]
    #19477054 - 01/26/14 02:15 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

The message tripping gives you is what's wrong in your life.  If you have a bad trip learn from it, put those dark things you see on a road to recovery and move on............ You cant put it all right befor the next trip but as long as you improve something in your life the next trip will be better. I find its like a massive mirror without a filter.... u got a wart, u see a wart....

Keep going man......better yourself and trip on man.


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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19477077 - 01/26/14 02:22 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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The only problem here would be if you have an underlying mental disorder, at which point dismiss everything I've said lol.





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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19477324 - 01/26/14 03:31 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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I don't buy this whole "the world is a dream" shit. The way we perceive it MIGHT be an illusion in some ways, but really we're just animals that have been lucky/blessed enough to evolve high intelligence. But I think some of us come to errors in our conclusions about the world due to this ability to think. We take a misguided thought and run with it to create these outlandish theories.





Me neither, and that's not what I've been saying.  So forget about the "dream" crap, it's not even a good analogy, and it was what somebody else said anyway. 

The world that you think you see is a complete fabrication occurring in your mind. It's all a construction of your mind.  Try to wrap your head around that. Buddhists have been doing this for thousands of years.  There's no theory involved here, merely the direct perception beyond thought that anybody can achieve if they want to work at it. :thumbup:

People that claim otherwise just haven't gotten there yet.

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