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#19346928 - 12/30/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't want to defend Obamacare or advocate for it. I just want to say what my literal experience with it has been. There's a lot of debate about it, but I actually signed up for it, and here's what it was like. For the record, I opposed healthcare reform, so there's that.
First, I didn't have healthcare before. I had applied in the past (before Obamacare) and was denied healthcare due to preexisting conditions despite the fact that I would have paid literally hundreds of dollars more per month than my treatment would have cost. I take a handful of cheap medications that cost almost nothing (amphetamine, for example), but was denied anyway. So, Obamacare...
I signed up through the website. My state runs it's own website, and I would bet hard cash that it's the best website out of all of them. The website was really easy, and I didn't encounter any problems or slowdown or errors. It required almost no information from me. The only personal information they asked me was stuff like name and address. This was a huge relief because the application that I had submitted for private insurance years before took literally hours to complete and was extremely detailed.
I had an option to choose between about 30 healthcare plans from about 7 different providers. I chose the provider I had before, years ago. I saved $150 per month for a better plan than I could have gotten before. I could have saved even more if I didn't go with the provider I had before, but I liked my old provider so I opted for it.
The entire process was over in about 20 minutes. My coverage starts in January.
This was my experience. Again, I'm not advocating it, or defending it, this is just literally what happened to me. I'm sure that it's probably very bad for the insurance companies. I was against healthcare reform. I'm sure that it has a high cost, and is bad for the national debt. I just wanted to give my first hand experience with signing up for it since I haven't seen a lot of them around.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: nooneman]
#19346959 - 12/30/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My aunt signed me up without my consent. I'm not too sure if if I should be pissed or just run with it.
I was denied healthcare two years ago for being a mmj smoker.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: nooneman] 6
#19346972 - 12/30/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well holy shit. A positive story about Obamacare. Call the news station or something, you seem to be the only satisfied American in the country
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: nannybooboo]
#19346993 - 12/30/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My mom was going to sign up, but the only coverage plan available to her would've cost more than half her income. So, she's just gonna wait til they fine her and get a Constitutional Attorney to fight it.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Patlal]
#19347018 - 12/30/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't see how forcing everyone to get healthcare is going to fix the problems we have.
I say that because the past two months my bf has had the run around trying to figure out what's wrong with him. He was admitted for one day and his bill was about $46k, they did every test you could think of and guess what they still don't have a diagnosis for him. He has insurance, but still all of his out of pocket costs are easily in the thousands. He says he feels like hes on a hampster wheel and as he runs on it, money falls out and the doctors are standing in the back saying "should we tell him what's wrong with him yet, or just keep milking him?'
So, say someone who barely makes enough $ to get insurance, but they find a way to make it work. Then they get really sick. They're still going to end up paying out of their ass or going into debt.
Idk, just my thought on this while thing.
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VivaLaMushie said: I don't see how forcing everyone to get healthcare is going to fix the problems we have.
I say that because the past two months my bf has had the run around trying to figure out what's wrong with him. He was admitted for one day and his bill was about $46k, they did every test you could think of and guess what they still don't have a diagnosis for him. He has insurance, but still all of his out of pocket costs are easily in the thousands. He says he feels like hes on a hampster wheel and as he runs on it, money falls out and the doctors are standing in the back saying "should we tell him what's wrong with him yet, or just keep milking him?'
So, say someone who barely makes enough $ to get insurance, but they find a way to make it work. Then they get really sick. They're still going to end up paying out of their ass or going into debt.
Idk, just my thought on this while thing.
I totally agree, and I think these are all valid points.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: nooneman]
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nooneman said: I don't want to defend Obamacare or advocate for it. I just want to say what my literal experience with it has been. There's a lot of debate about it, but I actually signed up for it, and here's what it was like. For the record, I opposed healthcare reform, so there's that.
First, I didn't have healthcare before. I had applied in the past (before Obamacare) and was denied healthcare due to preexisting conditions despite the fact that I would have paid literally hundreds of dollars more per month than my treatment would have cost. I take a handful of cheap medications that cost almost nothing (amphetamine, for example), but was denied anyway. So, Obamacare...
I signed up through the website. My state runs it's own website, and I would bet hard cash that it's the best website out of all of them. The website was really easy, and I didn't encounter any problems or slowdown or errors. It required almost no information from me. The only personal information they asked me was stuff like name and address. This was a huge relief because the application that I had submitted for private insurance years before took literally hours to complete and was extremely detailed.
I had an option to choose between about 30 healthcare plans from about 7 different providers. I chose the provider I had before, years ago. I saved $150 per month for a better plan than I could have gotten before. I could have saved even more if I didn't go with the provider I had before, but I liked my old provider so I opted for it.
The entire process was over in about 20 minutes. My coverage starts in January.
This was my experience. Again, I'm not advocating it, or defending it, this is just literally what happened to me. I'm sure that it's probably very bad for the insurance companies. I was against healthcare reform. I'm sure that it has a high cost, and is bad for the national debt. I just wanted to give my first hand experience with signing up for it since I haven't seen a lot of them around.
What state and how much are you paying and how much are you getting in subsidies? By the way, you conflate health care with health insurance. They are not the same thing. You always had health care.
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VivaLaMushie said: I don't see how forcing everyone to get healthcare is going to fix the problems we have.
I say that because the past two months my bf has had the run around trying to figure out what's wrong with him. He was admitted for one day and his bill was about $46k, they did every test you could think of and guess what they still don't have a diagnosis for him. He has insurance, but still all of his out of pocket costs are easily in the thousands. He says he feels like hes on a hampster wheel and as he runs on it, money falls out and the doctors are standing in the back saying "should we tell him what's wrong with him yet, or just keep milking him?'
So, say someone who barely makes enough $ to get insurance, but they find a way to make it work. Then they get really sick. They're still going to end up paying out of their ass or going into debt.
Idk, just my thought on this while thing.
What's he complaining of?
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: Well holy shit. A positive story about Obamacare. Call the news station or something, you seem to be the only satisfied American in the country
Nope, my entire family is registered and satisfied. The only people I can find who are pissed are selfish people who are watch too much mainsteam news, get caught up in their ideologies, or are mad about "lies" and feeling that they have to pay for other peoples' health problems.
"My health insurance would go up under Obamacare and I'm a healthy white male, why should I have to pay for old people?"
Selfish pricks.
BTW everyone in my family is saving money and getting greater coverage as a result of the ACA.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: nooneman]
#19347062 - 12/30/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Signing up is the easy part. The devil is in the details.
What healthcare are you getting, what is/isn't covered, and what services are you eligible for? For example, I have a maximum out of pocket expense each year that's around a couple grand. So I could get the run around pretty much everywhere, and I'd only pay a set amount.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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He had what they call a thunder clap headache one morning out of the blue. Hes had a constant headache since halloween.
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VivaLaMushie said: He had what they call a thunder clap headache one morning out of the blue. Hes had a constant headache since halloween.
he should eat some mushrooms bro.
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What healthcare are you getting, what is/isn't covered, and what services are you eligible for?
What I have noticed is that under private insurance no coverage for psychological services was covered, there was no coverage for services for things like addiction treatment, and that my out of pocket expenses were higher at point of service (which is less manageable for a person like me). None of this is true of the ACA in my case.
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VivaLaMushie said: He had what they call a thunder clap headache one morning out of the blue. Hes had a constant headache since halloween.
he should eat some mushrooms bro.
He doesn't have migraines or cluster headaches. They tried saying that shit when this all started, but he says he has HEAD PAIN not a HEADACHE. any time he gets his heart rate up, hes in pain.
And anyways, I'm too scared to let him take anything right now.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
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Patlal said: Well holy shit. A positive story about Obamacare. Call the news station or something, you seem to be the only satisfied American in the country
Nope, my entire family is registered and satisfied. The only people I can find who are pissed are selfish people who are watch too much mainsteam news, get caught up in their ideologies, or are mad about "lies" and feeling that they have to pay for other peoples' health problems.
"My health insurance would go up under Obamacare and I'm a healthy white male, why should I have to pay for old people?"
Selfish pricks.
BTW everyone in my family is saving money and getting greater coverage as a result of the ACA.
my insurance did go up due to obamacare, from $327/mo t$540/mo, I'm about to see another $75/mo increase, under the ACA website, it's $900/mo for comparable coverage
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19347121 - 12/30/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fucking aye $900/mo for insurance.
That's a fucking house payment.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
#19347129 - 12/30/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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morrowasted said: What I have noticed is that under private insurance no coverage for psychological services was covered, there was no coverage for services for things like addiction treatment, and that my out of pocket expenses were higher at point of service (which is less manageable for a person like me). None of this is true of the ACA in my case.
Interesting, and you hit the salient point: You took the time to wade into the weeds to figure out what services were (and weren't) covered.
It's not easy or convenient. The info is in that gigantic book most people just toss aside once a year. Regardless, you've decreased the chances of getting hit with a huge bill, then complaining about it afterwards.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Patlal said: Well holy shit. A positive story about Obamacare. Call the news station or something, you seem to be the only satisfied American in the country
Nope, my entire family is registered and satisfied. The only people I can find who are pissed are selfish people who are watch too much mainsteam news, get caught up in their ideologies, or are mad about "lies" and feeling that they have to pay for other peoples' health problems.
"My health insurance would go up under Obamacare and I'm a healthy white male, why should I have to pay for old people?"
Selfish pricks.
BTW everyone in my family is saving money and getting greater coverage as a result of the ACA.
my insurance did go up due to obamacare, from $327/mo t$540/mo, I'm about to see another $75/mo increase, under the ACA website, it's $900/mo for comparable coverage
Isn't the government suppose to send you a cheque or something to help you pay for that?
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That sucks. I understand the need for caution, but a sub-threshold dose (like <0.5g) of one of the safest substances on earth i feel like should be safe regardless of what he has and that it does help similar problems. I'd be willing to try a lot of risky things to get rid of constant pain though, so take that with a grain of salt.
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VivaLaMushie said: Fucking aye $900/mo for insurance.
That's a fucking house payment.
it's a paycheck for some people
obamacare was supposed to help insure 45 million people that were uninsured, yet it provides no insurance, those people still have to pay, they may get a tax break but they still have to pay until the end of the year
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
#19347188 - 12/30/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You're right, I apologize for conflating healthcare with health insurance.
I don't want to get into too much detail about the plan because it's a little personally identifying. If a family member stumbled on this thread, I'd prefer they didn't instantly know it was me. However, it's a pretty quality plan. Drug coverage, doctor visits, etc. It's a better than what I tried to sign up for previously.
I do pay well over $100 a month for it, but the cheapest that I could get previously was over $300 a month. I receive no subsidies. I could have chosen to, but I opted not to. I pay for the whole thing out of pocket. However, I am one person paying only for myself.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
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Patlal said: Well holy shit. A positive story about Obamacare. Call the news station or something, you seem to be the only satisfied American in the country
Nope, my entire family is registered and satisfied. The only people I can find who are pissed are selfish people who are watch too much mainsteam news, get caught up in their ideologies, or are mad about "lies" and feeling that they have to pay for other peoples' health problems.
"My health insurance would go up under Obamacare and I'm a healthy white male, why should I have to pay for old people?"
Selfish pricks.
BTW everyone in my family is saving money and getting greater coverage as a result of the ACA.
Selfish pricks.
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He doesn't have migraines or cluster headaches. They tried saying that shit when this all started, but he says he has HEAD PAIN not a HEADACHE. any time he gets his heart rate up, hes in pain.
And anyways, I'm too scared to let him take anything right now.
Ohhh, well that sheds a whole different light on the situation. I am not a doctor, I would probably do the same thing you're doing.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
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What healthcare are you getting, what is/isn't covered, and what services are you eligible for?
What I have noticed is that under private insurance no coverage for psychological services was covered, there was no coverage for services for things like addiction treatment, and that my out of pocket expenses were higher at point of service (which is less manageable for a person like me). None of this is true of the ACA in my case.
I have no interest in rehab, addiction, or psychological coverage. Why should I be forced to pay for your fuckups?
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: nooneman]
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nooneman said: I don't want to defend Obamacare or advocate for it. I just want to say what my literal experience with it has been. There's a lot of debate about it, but I actually signed up for it, and here's what it was like. For the record, I opposed healthcare reform, so there's that.
First, I didn't have healthcare before. I had applied in the past (before Obamacare) and was denied healthcare due to preexisting conditions despite the fact that I would have paid literally hundreds of dollars more per month than my treatment would have cost. I take a handful of cheap medications that cost almost nothing (amphetamine, for example), but was denied anyway. So, Obamacare...
I signed up through the website. My state runs it's own website, and I would bet hard cash that it's the best website out of all of them. The website was really easy, and I didn't encounter any problems or slowdown or errors. It required almost no information from me. The only personal information they asked me was stuff like name and address. This was a huge relief because the application that I had submitted for private insurance years before took literally hours to complete and was extremely detailed.
I had an option to choose between about 30 healthcare plans from about 7 different providers. I chose the provider I had before, years ago. I saved $150 per month for a better plan than I could have gotten before. I could have saved even more if I didn't go with the provider I had before, but I liked my old provider so I opted for it.
The entire process was over in about 20 minutes. My coverage starts in January.
This was my experience. Again, I'm not advocating it, or defending it, this is just literally what happened to me. I'm sure that it's probably very bad for the insurance companies. I was against healthcare reform. I'm sure that it has a high cost, and is bad for the national debt. I just wanted to give my first hand experience with signing up for it since I haven't seen a lot of them around.
What's your deductible for hospitalization. Like 5- 10K ?
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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VivaLaMushie said: Fucking aye $900/mo for insurance.
That's a fucking house payment.
it's a paycheck for some people
obamacare was supposed to help insure 45 million people that were uninsured, yet it provides no insurance, those people still have to pay, they may get a tax break but they still have to pay until the end of the year
I'm one of those people. Subsidies get applied pre-emptively; I'm only going to pay $20/month for my insurance once 2014 starts.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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VivaLaMushie said: Fucking aye $900/mo for insurance.
That's a fucking house payment.
it's a paycheck for some people
obamacare was supposed to help insure 45 million people that were uninsured, yet it provides no insurance, those people still have to pay, they may get a tax break but they still have to pay until the end of the year
I'm one of those people. Subsidies get applied pre-emptively; I'm only going to pay $20/month for my insurance once 2014 starts.
Shit, that's a great deal for you
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: laruta_21]
#19347409 - 12/30/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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dang might as well make a trip to Taiwan for medical care, could make a vacation out of it and it would probably still be cheaper.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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VivaLaMushie said: Fucking aye $900/mo for insurance.
That's a fucking house payment.
it's a paycheck for some people
obamacare was supposed to help insure 45 million people that were uninsured, yet it provides no insurance, those people still have to pay, they may get a tax break but they still have to pay until the end of the year
I'm one of those people. Subsidies get applied pre-emptively; I'm only going to pay $20/month for my insurance once 2014 starts.
I earn below poverty level wages, have 4 dependents and yet I get no subsidies
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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VivaLaMushie said: Fucking aye $900/mo for insurance.
That's a fucking house payment.
it's a paycheck for some people
obamacare was supposed to help insure 45 million people that were uninsured, yet it provides no insurance, those people still have to pay, they may get a tax break but they still have to pay until the end of the year
I'm one of those people. Subsidies get applied pre-emptively; I'm only going to pay $20/month for my insurance once 2014 starts.
I earn below poverty level wages, have 4 dependents and yet I get no subsidies
Clearly, the system is working.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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VivaLaMushie said: Fucking aye $900/mo for insurance.
That's a fucking house payment.
it's a paycheck for some people
obamacare was supposed to help insure 45 million people that were uninsured, yet it provides no insurance, those people still have to pay, they may get a tax break but they still have to pay until the end of the year
I'm one of those people. Subsidies get applied pre-emptively; I'm only going to pay $20/month for my insurance once 2014 starts.
I earn below poverty level wages, have 4 dependents and yet I get no subsidies
You are doing something wrong. I don't know what but you are.
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prissy is also a pathological liar and a sociopath, so he might be lying to you.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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You are doing something wrong. I don't know what but you are.
no, I'm not doing anything wrong. I was unemployed for 5 years, same situation and I was ineligible for any sort of benefits, benefits I've paid into since I was 12 years old, I was never given a reason other than one person said I should sell the shit that I have and live on that
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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if you have 4 dependents doesn't that mean you are/were married at some point?
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: nooneman]
#19347579 - 12/30/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I signed up too. I had private healthcare before, not though work. Before it was about $200 a month, for almost bare minimum coverage(~$5,000 a year, I think) + prescriptions, no dental or vision. Now it's $250 for the same thing. Where as, for someone my age, if you have it through work it's roughly $150 a month for premium coverage with health, vision, and dental, depending on who you work for. Affordable my ass.
The actual sign up process was pretty easy. I used healthcare.gov. Signing up and picking a plan surprisingly went very smoothly I was done in about 30 minutes. Trying to get my first payment to the insurance company so that I was guaranteed coverage in January? Pure fuckery. Took me around 7 hours to get it all sorted out.
Edit: on the plus side, I read through all my HR policies today. I actually qualify for benefits and pension plan now that the place I work for has merged with another one. I'm part of the legacy side so legacy HR told me I don't (because I didn't under the old place). They're sorely mistaken and they will be hearing about it soon. I ain't doin this obamashit ridiculous monthly charges and I want that damn pension plan.
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no, it doesnt mean that I was married at one point, I was married at one point but that has no bearing on dependents, how many single mothers are there out there that have never been married
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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it doesn't mean you married at one point, but you were actually married. im glad we cleared that up.
but what i was getting at is you probably shared a house with said wife and the whole 9 yards, right?
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but what i was getting at is you probably shared a house with said wife and the whole 9 yards, right?
and this has what to do with anything in 2013?
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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well a few posts up you said you earn below poverty wages, but you still have an internet. im just being a little curious about who you are pris, if another human is telling me they are earning below poverty wages I know how that is and worry a little bit.
if i didnt have my family i would probably be homeless. im just asking you how you keep your internet. my theory is that you are married and have a suga momma (that's a bit satire but you get what i mean).
that was why i asked about the dependents. yeah i beat around the bush.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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prisoner#1 said: I earn below poverty level wages, have 4 dependents and yet I get no subsidies
You are doing something wrong. I don't know what but you are.
no, I'm not doing anything wrong. I was unemployed for 5 years, same situation and I was ineligible for any sort of benefits, benefits I've paid into since I was 12 years old, I was never given a reason other than one person said I should sell the shit that I have and live on that
What I meant was that something is going wrong with how you are applying for shit. I don't know what it is, but the subsidies cover pretty much everything for people close to or below the poverty line. I would talk with your insurance provider, and I would get on the ACA website help chat line.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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zappaisgod said: He owns too much property and they want him to sell it
My uncle had this piece of land. he was a hoarder. the place was beyond condemned. there must have been 20 to 30 broken down cars in there. the house was 2 stories but was filled from TOP to BOTTOM with TRASH (or treasure depending on prespective).
he sold it for a million. end of story. smart guy. 
(Note: This was my uncle, and it's not my money. I'm happy for him.)
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: nooneman]
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nooneman said: I don't want to defend Obamacare or advocate for it. I just want to say what my literal experience with it has been. There's a lot of debate about it, but I actually signed up for it, and here's what it was like. For the record, I opposed healthcare reform, so there's that.
First, I didn't have healthcare before. I had applied in the past (before Obamacare) and was denied healthcare due to preexisting conditions despite the fact that I would have paid literally hundreds of dollars more per month than my treatment would have cost. I take a handful of cheap medications that cost almost nothing (amphetamine, for example), but was denied anyway. So, Obamacare...
I signed up through the website. My state runs it's own website, and I would bet hard cash that it's the best website out of all of them. The website was really easy, and I didn't encounter any problems or slowdown or errors. It required almost no information from me. The only personal information they asked me was stuff like name and address. This was a huge relief because the application that I had submitted for private insurance years before took literally hours to complete and was extremely detailed.
I had an option to choose between about 30 healthcare plans from about 7 different providers. I chose the provider I had before, years ago. I saved $150 per month for a better plan than I could have gotten before. I could have saved even more if I didn't go with the provider I had before, but I liked my old provider so I opted for it.
The entire process was over in about 20 minutes. My coverage starts in January.
This was my experience. Again, I'm not advocating it, or defending it, this is just literally what happened to me. I'm sure that it's probably very bad for the insurance companies. I was against healthcare reform. I'm sure that it has a high cost, and is bad for the national debt. I just wanted to give my first hand experience with signing up for it since I haven't seen a lot of them around.
It's probably a lot better in the long run. Screw the insurance companies. I will say however, this thing does not help anyone who is 100% broke, it only helps people who can already afford health care anyway. Of course people who can already afford it will save a lot of cash trust me you can see that.
But to me it doesn't address the issue it was supposed to, which is helping people who can't afford health care at all. Oh well I'm glad you got something out of it, since it's such a big deal
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: imachavel]
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nooneman said: I don't want to defend Obamacare or advocate for it. I just want to say what my literal experience with it has been. There's a lot of debate about it, but I actually signed up for it, and here's what it was like. For the record, I opposed healthcare reform, so there's that.
First, I didn't have healthcare before. I had applied in the past (before Obamacare) and was denied healthcare due to preexisting conditions despite the fact that I would have paid literally hundreds of dollars more per month than my treatment would have cost. I take a handful of cheap medications that cost almost nothing (amphetamine, for example), but was denied anyway. So, Obamacare...
I signed up through the website. My state runs it's own website, and I would bet hard cash that it's the best website out of all of them. The website was really easy, and I didn't encounter any problems or slowdown or errors. It required almost no information from me. The only personal information they asked me was stuff like name and address. This was a huge relief because the application that I had submitted for private insurance years before took literally hours to complete and was extremely detailed.
I had an option to choose between about 30 healthcare plans from about 7 different providers. I chose the provider I had before, years ago. I saved $150 per month for a better plan than I could have gotten before. I could have saved even more if I didn't go with the provider I had before, but I liked my old provider so I opted for it.
The entire process was over in about 20 minutes. My coverage starts in January.
This was my experience. Again, I'm not advocating it, or defending it, this is just literally what happened to me. I'm sure that it's probably very bad for the insurance companies. I was against healthcare reform. I'm sure that it has a high cost, and is bad for the national debt. I just wanted to give my first hand experience with signing up for it since I haven't seen a lot of them around.
It's probably a lot better in the long run. Screw the insurance companies. I will say however, this thing does not help anyone who is 100% broke, it only helps people who can already afford health care anyway. Of course people who can already afford it will save a lot of cash trust me you can see that.
But to me it doesn't address the issue it was supposed to, which is helping people who can't afford health care at all. Oh well I'm glad you got something out of it, since it's such a big deal
What are you fucking talking about? A huge percentage, if not more than half, of the people signed up are either medicaid or heavily subsidized.
I believe this is morrowasted's link in another thread http://acasignups.net/\
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: imachavel]
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
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First, I didn't have healthcare before. I had applied in the past (before Obamacare) and was denied healthcare due to preexisting conditions despite the fact that I would have paid literally hundreds of dollars more per month than my treatment would have cost. I take a handful of cheap medications that cost almost nothing (amphetamine, for example), but was denied anyway. So, Obamacare...
I signed up through the website. My state runs it's own website, and I would bet hard cash that it's the best website out of all of them. The website was really easy, and I didn't encounter any problems or slowdown or errors. It required almost no information from me. The only personal information they asked me was stuff like name and address. This was a huge relief because the application that I had submitted for private insurance years before took literally hours to complete and was extremely detailed.
I had an option to choose between about 30 healthcare plans from about 7 different providers. I chose the provider I had before, years ago. I saved $150 per month for a better plan than I could have gotten before. I could have saved even more if I didn't go with the provider I had before, but I liked my old provider so I opted for it.
The entire process was over in about 20 minutes. My coverage starts in January.
This was my experience. Again, I'm not advocating it, or defending it, this is just literally what happened to me. I'm sure that it's probably very bad for the insurance companies. I was against healthcare reform. I'm sure that it has a high cost, and is bad for the national debt. I just wanted to give my first hand experience with signing up for it since I haven't seen a lot of them around.
It's probably a lot better in the long run. Screw the insurance companies. I will say however, this thing does not help anyone who is 100% broke, it only helps people who can already afford health care anyway. Of course people who can already afford it will save a lot of cash trust me you can see that.
But to me it doesn't address the issue it was supposed to, which is helping people who can't afford health care at all. Oh well I'm glad you got something out of it, since it's such a big deal
What are you fucking talking about? A huge percentage, if not more than half, of the people signed up are either medicaid or heavily subsidized.
I believe this is morrowasted's link in another thread http://acasignups.net/\
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2,079,534 4,034,704
2 to 1 medicaid over non bum suckers. I believe he was using this to show that it was a fucking success.
Yep. Before I was a person who could've qualified for Medicaid but chose not to join the program. Now that I'm facing a financial penalty for not having insurance subsidized by the taxpayer I've become subsidized.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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The government works in mysterious ways. You think that is a success?
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
#19348238 - 12/30/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#19348283 - 12/30/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19348424 - 12/30/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Patlal said: Well holy shit. A positive story about Obamacare. Call the news station or something, you seem to be the only satisfied American in the country
Nope, my entire family is registered and satisfied. The only people I can find who are pissed are selfish people who are watch too much mainsteam news, get caught up in their ideologies, or are mad about "lies" and feeling that they have to pay for other peoples' health problems.
"My health insurance would go up under Obamacare and I'm a healthy white male, why should I have to pay for old people?"
Selfish pricks.
BTW everyone in my family is saving money and getting greater coverage as a result of the ACA.
my insurance did go up due to obamacare, from $327/mo t$540/mo, I'm about to see another $75/mo increase, under the ACA website, it's $900/mo for comparable coverage
Cry me a river, maybe you should've gone to college. And not been such an unhealthy person. WTF kind of shitty health do you have that you need the ACA equivalent of $900 worth of healthcare?
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
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What healthcare are you getting, what is/isn't covered, and what services are you eligible for?
What I have noticed is that under private insurance no coverage for psychological services was covered, there was no coverage for services for things like addiction treatment, and that my out of pocket expenses were higher at point of service (which is less manageable for a person like me). None of this is true of the ACA in my case.
I have no interest in rehab, addiction, or psychological coverage. Why should I be forced to pay for your fuckups?
Because you live in a civilized society. Don't like it? Go live in the fucking forest and fend for yourself.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
#19348452 - 12/30/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#19348487 - 12/30/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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By the way, I don't seek psychological or addiction services. But other people do and they deserve them if they pay into the system.
I do have lower monthly costs and lower point of service out of pocket costs as a result of the ACA and that another reason why I am in favor of it.
I am allowed to be in favor of the ACA because it covers psychological and addiction services even though I do not use them.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
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Did you write the proposal for ACA, or are you closely related to the person that did? You defend that with passion. Anyway, unquestionably it has the potential to help some people, but it negatively affects more people, not to mention its unconstitutional as fuck.
As for me paying for your fuck ups cuz we live in a "civilized" society...fuck that. Since the dawn of civilization, society has always outcast the fuckups. "Only the strong survive."
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: TopPmz]
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Everybody will use health insurance at some point
you guys act like the government has no interest in this other then to get votes
everything is being payed for by taxes
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Konyap]
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Votes have nothing to do with it, IMO. It's about money, and its one more small freedom they got away with taking. ACA fucks a lot of insurance companies, it hurts businesses, and it royally fucks the average, bottom-of-the-totem pole workers who are getting under 26 hrs/week at minimum wage so their employer doesn't have to pay for their benefits.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: TopPmz]
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: TopPmz]
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Not being able to afford to live is a freedom? what
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how? it's paid by taxes on random shit,who is getting fucked?
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and it royally fucks the average, bottom-of-the-totem pole workers who are getting under 26 hrs/week at minimum wage so their employer doesn't have to pay for their benefits.
They wouldn't get health insurance anyway, if you have a fulltime job 99% of the time YOU PAY out of pocket for insurance unless you work in the congress. Haven't you ever had a job? All they do is offer you a insurance provider..
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: nooneman]
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Cognitive dissonance will make it impossible for some people to benefit from this. They won't even allow themselves to.
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I have insurance, so I don't need to allow myself to.
@illyabo: I've had several jobs. I don't watch the news because its all biased, and I'm not pulling this information out of my ass. I speak only from personal experience and experience through people I know who are business owners or at corporate level in a large company, and whatever research I choose to do. I don't hate everything about ACA, but to take the choice out of the hands of the consumer is unacceptable. ACA is Unconstitutional (google aca unconstitutional for countless sources), and that's all I care about.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: TopPmz]
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The Constitution was largely devised by a bunch of racist, self-interested slaveowners.

But hey let's all bow down to it even though it was written at a time in which none of the present contextual circumstances could be taken into account.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Konyap]
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Illyabo said: Everybody will use health insurance at some point
you guys act like the government has no interest in this other then to get votes
everything is being payed for by taxes
"everything is being payed for by taxes"
No it's not, people have to buy insurance and pay for it themselves.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
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If you signed up for that shit then you're basically telling the government that you'll give into anything that they say. Ultimately doomin us all to slavery and possibly poverty. If you don't sign up then you're standing your ground and yay to you. We shouldn't let people walk on us.Quote:
morrowasted said: The Constitution was largely devised by a bunch of racist, self-interested slaveowners.

But hey let's all bow down to it even though it was written at a time in which none of the present contextual circumstances could be taken into account.
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But hey let's all bow down to it even though it was written at a time in which none of the present contextual circumstances could be taken into account.
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But hey let's all bow down to it even though it was written at a time in which none of the present contextual circumstances could be taken into account.
You're highly misinformed. I can't believe people still think like this...it was normal to own slaves back then, just because their slaves were black didn't mean they were racist. Also blacks sold each other into slavery.
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morrowasted said: The Constitution was largely devised by a bunch of racist, self-interested slaveowners.

But hey let's all bow down to it even though it was written at a time in which none of the present contextual circumstances could be taken into account.
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morrowasted said: The Constitution was largely devised by a bunch of racist, self-interested slaveowners.

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But hey let's all bow down to it even though it was written at a time in which none of the present contextual circumstances could be taken into account.
You're highly misinformed. I can't believe people still think like this...it was normal to own slaves back then, just because their slaves were black didn't mean they were racist. Also blacks sold each other into slavery.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: TopPmz]
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uhm I think they were racist, the politicians did a good job back then pandering to people on the platform they wouldn't let black people get any jobs that the poor whites thought they deserved.
Sounds a lot like racism.
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the constitution is actually pretty much the most badass thing ever.
like maybe instead of calling it's writers racist
you could like maybe like possibly point something out IN THE CONSTITUTION that is racist
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Sounds a lot like racism.
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k00laid said: the constitution is actually pretty much the most badass thing ever.
like maybe instead of calling it's writers racist
you could like maybe like possibly point something out IN THE CONSTITUTION that is racist
The constitution has nothing in it about racism or slavery...
The whole misunderstanding is that black slaves=racist white masters. Which isn't a fair or logical assumption. White people had white slaves before we bought black slaves, racism spawned from blacks being slaves and then gaining rights and being lowered class.
It wasn't racism to have a black slave. For every black slave that was treated like shit there was one that was treated fairly or on occasions even equally. Most slaves were even paid and after several years bought their own freedom. But no one wants to know the truth.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: GreySatyr]
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They perceived blacks to be inferior and were therefore racist. If you enslave members of your own race, you're also a classist. Don't get caught up in bullshit.
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I signed my parents up in less than 5 minutes. They were paying $600 for a crappy plan. Now they will pay $30 for an amazing plan ($0 deductible / 30 free chiropractic visits per year / $0 for generic prescriptions / $75 for a trip to the ER / $1500 max out of pocket / $10 primary doctor / etc.)
He has a $930 plan but has a $900 subsidy. Only issue is he is self-employed and if he shows too much money earned then he might owe a balance at the end of the year.
I also signed myself and wife up for an ok $320/month plan (got a $350/month subsidy so it's free). She hasn't had health insurance in 5 years. Max out of pocket is $1500 with a $1000 deductible. I got a surgery (with insurance) a couple years ago and got hit with a $7000 bill. The scam artist billers know it is a scam number they pull out of their ass and since I was paying in full they dropped it to $4000. Talk about a number pulled out of thin air.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Confucian]
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He has a $930 plan but has a $900 subsidy. Only issue is he is self-employed and if he shows too much money earned than he might owe a balance at the end of the year.
I also signed myself and wife up for an ok $320/month plan (got a $350/month subsidy so it's free). She hasn't had health insurance in 5 years. Max out of pocket is $1500 with a $1000 deductible. I got a surgery (with insurance) a couple years ago and got hit with a $7000 bill. The scam artist billers know it is a scam number they pull out of their ass and since I was paying in full they dropped it to $4000. Talk about a number pulled out of thin air.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
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What healthcare are you getting, what is/isn't covered, and what services are you eligible for?
What I have noticed is that under private insurance no coverage for psychological services was covered, there was no coverage for services for things like addiction treatment, and that my out of pocket expenses were higher at point of service (which is less manageable for a person like me). None of this is true of the ACA in my case.
I have no interest in rehab, addiction, or psychological coverage. Why should I be forced to pay for your fuckups?
Because you live in a civilized society. Don't like it? Go live in the fucking forest and fend for yourself.
No, you go live in a forest. I don't know you, I don't like you and I might not want to piss on you if you were on fire. What are you gonna do for me as a member of civilized society? My guess. Nothing.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
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No, you go live in a forest. I don't know you, I don't like you and I might not want to piss on you if you were on fire. What are you gonna do for me as a member of civilized society? My guess. Nothing.
Unsurprising; your user-title gives you away. If nothing else, you're honest. You're making a pretty drastic assumption about me, though. When was the last time you did any service work? Because I do quite a bit.
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Its religious, going back to the mark of ham. Time was you could take slaves if they weren't Christian. And yes Africans sold other Africans into slavery. I'm fact free Africans could buy their brothers in Louisiana.
during the course of human history every people has had experience in slavery. Usually starting with their brothers. The Chinese, the Mongols, the Greeks,the Romans,the Africans and the Muslims. The list is long.
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Cry me a river, maybe you should've gone to college. And not been such an unhealthy person. WTF kind of shitty health do you have that you need the ACA equivalent of $900 worth of healthcare?
hahahaha... since when does the obamcare website do physicals
I have no preexisting medical conditions nor do my kids, I am in perfect health and my bloodwork shows me to be a little bit low on calcium, everything else is within normal levels
the reason the plan via obamacare was so costly i because I went with a comparable plan to what I was already covered under, a platinum plan on their site, I'm currently covered under BC/BS and the platinum via obamas site is nearly double through the same carrier
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you guys act like the government has no interest in this other then to get votes
everything is being payed for by taxes
what is being paid for by taxes?
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
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I do have lower monthly costs and lower point of service out of pocket costs as a result of the ACA and that another reason why I am in favor of it.
I am allowed to be in favor of the ACA because it covers psychological and addiction services even though I do not use them.
Why should I be forced to pay for them? If you want to pay for assholes' bullshit you are free to do so. Forcing me to do it is another thing entirely.
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No, you go live in a forest. I don't know you, I don't like you and I might not want to piss on you if you were on fire. What are you gonna do for me as a member of civilized society? My guess. Nothing.
Unsurprising; your user-title gives you away. If nothing else, you're honest. You're making a pretty drastic assumption about me, though. When was the last time you did any service work? Because I do quite a bit.
Never. I write six figure tax checks every year. That's my service.
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No, you go live in a forest. I don't know you, I don't like you and I might not want to piss on you if you were on fire. What are you gonna do for me as a member of civilized society? My guess. Nothing.
Unsurprising; your user-title gives you away. If nothing else, you're honest. You're making a pretty drastic assumption about me, though. When was the last time you did any service work? Because I do quite a bit.
Never. I write six figure tax checks every year. That's my service.
Unsurprising. Unfortunately, paying taxes isn't a services, it's an obligation. Service is when you do something you aren't obligated to do in order to help your fellowman. But, as we all know, you're a horrid asshole, and nobody expects a horrid asshole to think about the interests of anyone other than himself.
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If you want to pay for assholes' bullshit you are free to do so.
Where did I say I wanted to pay for your bullshit?. I want to pay to help the sick and disadvantaged.
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No, you go live in a forest. I don't know you, I don't like you and I might not want to piss on you if you were on fire. What are you gonna do for me as a member of civilized society? My guess. Nothing.
Unsurprising; your user-title gives you away. If nothing else, you're honest. You're making a pretty drastic assumption about me, though. When was the last time you did any service work? Because I do quite a bit.
Never. I write six figure tax checks every year. That's my service.
Unsurprising. Unfortunately, paying taxes isn't a services, it's an obligation. Service is when you do something you aren't obligated to do in order to help your fellowman. But, as we all know, you're a horrid asshole, and nobody expects a horrid asshole to think about the interests of anyone other than himself.
How much are you obliged to pay? At what point in your life have you ever considered my interests beyond how how much you can fuck me?
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If you want to pay for assholes' bullshit you are free to do so.
Where did I say I wanted to pay for your bullshit?. I want to pay to help the sick and disadvantaged.
Then pay for them. Leave me out of it. I bet you are one of the disadvantaged sucking government tit.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
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You sure do make a lot of assumptions. Ever stop and ask yourself why you have to make so many assumptions about other people? Maybe try to meditate on that for a while.
I borrowed money from private institutions to put my way through college. My graduate school tuition is paid for by the university as a result of my TAship. I pay a humble amount of taxes, and I make a humble amount of money. I do not collect any services that I'm aware of outside of the normal use of roads and public parks and so forth, although I do pay into social security that I'll probably never collect. If you plan on collecting social security, I suppose that's the only thing I can say I've contributed to your well-being. But, if you happened to be someone who lived in my area that was either homeless or a recovering alcoholic/addict, there's a decent chance that at some point you'd receive some kind of service from me.
I've never once considered how much I could fuck you. Perhaps that is something you think about a lot, but not me. In fact, the only offline thoughts I've had about you have been positive, as a result of what I was told about you by iamchavel, with whom I have been in contact outside of the shroomery. Sometimes I like what you have to say, sometimes I don't.
At least you're not apathetic. You appear to make a conscious decision to be the way you are. Even if I disagree with you, I can respect that. Apathy is worse than most things I can think of.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
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I am one of the people who are forced at the point of a gun to pay the way for you to be a dilletante. I would rather not have been forced to pay into social security and the fact is that I have been utterly screwed by it. I won't come anywhere near being made whole by soc sec. I have been utterly fucked by it. You will be fucked even more than me.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
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It seems to me that the exorbitant tuition costs of the students I teach are "paying the way for me to be a dellitante". I can't remember having received a check from you.
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Are you in the top 15% of taxpayers?
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Are you in the top 15% of taxpayers?
No, but I will be. Does your tax money pay my salary/tuition?
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
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Don't know. Where do you go to school? I know I pay for everything else but I might be paying for your miseducation.
I don't want to be a dick all the time. You seem to be well spoken (written whatever) and I think you have potential but if you are going to embrace a system where the few earners pay for the vast majority of leeches you are going to find the exact same thing the Soviet Union did
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
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What sort of system should I embrace? I've gone through a phase where I called myself everything in the book, from libertarian to conservative to moderate to liberal. Now I don't call myself anything. I am confused as fuck most of the time, and I don't know what is true. I am only 24, but I feel like I have done a lot more research than most people my age in order to figure out what is right, and the more research I do, the more confused I get. The approach I take now is to forget about ideology, not call myself anything, and just try to analyze each individual issue in order to arrive at an informed conclusion.
I have tried not to make any threads titled "EVERYONE SHOULD SUPPORT OBAMACARE!!" I made a thread that linked to some statistics I had found but did not fully understand in order to see if anyone could provide me with some critical analysis of them, since I find myself incapable of analyzing myself, despite the fact that they appear on the surface to be demonstrating something positive.
I have related my own experience with the ACA. I have noticed an overwhelming amount of negativity regarding the issue, but part of me suspects that a significant portion of the naysayers in this particular environment are about 21 years old, still on their parents' medical insurance, and are essentially parroting each other. My experience with the ACA has been positive thus far, and I felt that it would be appropriate to introduce some dissenting attitude into an overwhelmingly homogeneous pool of opinions.
I am not comfortable sharing the information about where teach/attend school on this forum. Iamchavel knows, if you really want to know you can ask him, but please do not share the information with anyone else.
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the lower class is never going to pay exuberant taxes when they don't have living wages
if anything the goverment asking them to pay taxes would be "leeching"
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Konyap]
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God I'm so glad I have free healthcare through JPS in tarrant county texas. As shitty as the services are, at least my doctor visits are only 10 bucks and prescriptions are only 10 bucks as well. I don't know what I'm going to do when I move back to california though...
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Since you "write six figure tax checks every year" you are getting a great deal on social security (considering the max you could possibly pay towards SS is about $14,000). You apparently make millions (perhaps even 10s of millions) of dollars a year. Yet you pay the exact same towards Social Security as a person that makes $113,700. All income after that is SS-tax free.
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Since you "write six figure tax checks every year" you are getting a great deal on social security (considering the max you could possibly pay towards SS is about $14,000). You apparently make millions (perhaps even 10s of millions) of dollars a year. Yet you pay the exact same towards Social Security as a person that makes $113,700. All income after that is SS-tax free.
I believe he meant he pays the taxes on a six-figure income.
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Since you "write six figure tax checks every year" you are getting a great deal on social security (considering the max you could possibly pay towards SS is about $14,000). You apparently make millions (perhaps even 10s of millions) of dollars a year. Yet you pay the exact same towards Social Security as a person that makes $113,700. All income after that is SS-tax free.
1. In this country a combined family income of less than $400,000 puts you into the six figure tax territory 2. I am getting a shit deal on soc sec because I would have several million dollars in the bank if I had made the same investment in the market. 3. SS tax free, yipee. After I pay my $14G what do I get for it? Cat food benefits.
You don't know what you're talking about at all. Social security is a total rip off and has been from the beginning and got even worse when they put the soc sec receipts into the general fund.
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Since you "write six figure tax checks every year" you are getting a great deal on social security (considering the max you could possibly pay towards SS is about $14,000). You apparently make millions (perhaps even 10s of millions) of dollars a year. Yet you pay the exact same towards Social Security as a person that makes $113,700. All income after that is SS-tax free.
I believe he meant he pays the taxes on a six-figure income.
No. I mean we write 6 figure tax checks.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Why don't you give some money to charities? You could deduct that from your taxes and then you'd get to choose where your money was going, for the most part, right? I will admit that I don't know very much about this but I know my parents did a lot of deductions based on charitable donations.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Confucian]
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zappaisgod said: I would rather not have been forced to pay into social security and the fact is that I have been utterly screwed by it.
Since you "write six figure tax checks every year" you are getting a great deal on social security (considering the max you could possibly pay towards SS is about $14,000). You apparently make millions (perhaps even 10s of millions) of dollars a year. Yet you pay the exact same towards Social Security as a person that makes $113,700. All income after that is SS-tax free.
"you are getting a great deal on social security"
No one gets a "great deal" on social security.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
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We have 3 children. One at Boston Law, one at Penn for a chem E PhD and one at Parsons School of Design. Unfortunately those charities are not deductible.
I don't think charitable contributions should be deductible. Almost every one that complies with the tax requirements is a scam that spends most of its receipts on fund raising.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: qman]
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zappaisgod said: I would rather not have been forced to pay into social security and the fact is that I have been utterly screwed by it.
Since you "write six figure tax checks every year" you are getting a great deal on social security (considering the max you could possibly pay towards SS is about $14,000). You apparently make millions (perhaps even 10s of millions) of dollars a year. Yet you pay the exact same towards Social Security as a person that makes $113,700. All income after that is SS-tax free.
"you are getting a great deal on social security"
No one gets a "great deal" on social security.
Tell that to the 40 million people aged 65 or older that get a $1300 check each month.
Sure as hell helps my grandma out. And also my aunt. You're probably one of those "libertarian" types that thinks 80 year old ladies should go put their applications in at Walmart and McDonald's to make that $1000/month. LOL.
Also, if someone makes $40,000,000 in a year and contributes $6800 (6% of $113,700) and another person makes $113,700 and contributes $6800....Then one person is getting a better deal (paying less as a percent of their income). If the $40 million guy paid 6% on all his income he'd pay $2.4 million to SS.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Confucian]
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zappaisgod said: I would rather not have been forced to pay into social security and the fact is that I have been utterly screwed by it.
Since you "write six figure tax checks every year" you are getting a great deal on social security (considering the max you could possibly pay towards SS is about $14,000). You apparently make millions (perhaps even 10s of millions) of dollars a year. Yet you pay the exact same towards Social Security as a person that makes $113,700. All income after that is SS-tax free.
"you are getting a great deal on social security"
No one gets a "great deal" on social security.
Tell that to the 40 million people aged 65 or older that get a $1300 check each month.
Sure as hell helps my grandma out. And also my aunt. You're probably one of those "libertarian" types that thinks 80 year old ladies should go put their applications in at Walmart and McDonald's to make that $1000/month. LOL.
Also, if someone makes $40,000,000 in a year and contributes $6800 (6% of $113,700) and another person makes $113,700 and contributes $6800....Then one person is getting a better deal (paying less as a percent of their income). If the $40 million guy paid 6% on all his income he'd pay $2.4 million to SS.
Bullshit. The guy making 40M is getting the exact same deal as the guy making 133K. The benefits are exactly equal.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
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We have 3 children. One at Boston Law, one at Penn for a chem E PhD and one at Parsons School of Design. Unfortunately those charities are not deductible.
I don't think charitable contributions should be deductible. Almost every one that complies with the tax requirements is a scam that spends most of its receipts on fund raising.
I don't understand. If you're spending X amount of money, you're spending X amount of money, regardless of where it goes. The money you pay for your children to go to college isn't the money you pay for taxes. I'm talking about redirecting the money you send to the federal government in other directions. You have to pay for taxes and whatever other expenses you take on, not one or the other. Even if you don't agree with the idea of giving to charities in principle, since it's possible, you can do the research in order to find worthwhile charities and give to those charities but not others.
In any case, why do you pay for your children's graduate school...? Surely someone getting a Chem E PhD can get a teaching fellowship like any other doctoral student and have their tuition paid for...? And if not, tell them to borrow money. I don't see why any parent would pay for something past a BA for their children. Mine didn't even do that, and they were fully capable of doing so.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Bullshit. The guy making 40M is getting the exact same deal as the guy making 133K. The benefits are exactly equal.
The guy making 40M does not need social security. I do not believe that anyone deserves to make that much money anyway, for any reason whatsoever.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Confucian]
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zappaisgod said: I would rather not have been forced to pay into social security and the fact is that I have been utterly screwed by it.
Since you "write six figure tax checks every year" you are getting a great deal on social security (considering the max you could possibly pay towards SS is about $14,000). You apparently make millions (perhaps even 10s of millions) of dollars a year. Yet you pay the exact same towards Social Security as a person that makes $113,700. All income after that is SS-tax free.
"you are getting a great deal on social security"
No one gets a "great deal" on social security.
Tell that to the 40 million people aged 65 or older that get a $1300 check each month.
Sure as hell helps my grandma out. And also my aunt. You're probably one of those "libertarian" types that thinks 80 year old ladies should go put their applications in at Walmart and McDonald's to make that $1000/month. LOL.
Also, if someone makes $40,000,000 in a year and contributes $6800 (6% of $113,700) and another person makes $113,700 and contributes $6800....Then one person is getting a better deal (paying less as a percent of their income). If the $40 million guy paid 6% on all his income he'd pay $2.4 million to SS.
My father (age 71) also enjoys his SS payments, but he and his employers contributed for over 40 years into the program, will he ever receive what he and his employers contributed on a inflation adjusted basis? Not likely, unless he lives to 130.
My father and your grandma are the lucky ones, they are at least receiving payments as the SS remains solvent, in 10-20 years the people retiring will receive a small fraction of what they contributed, as the SS program goes into major insolvency.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
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Bullshit. The guy making 40M is getting the exact same deal as the guy making 133K. The benefits are exactly equal.
The guy making 40M does not need social security.
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I do not believe that anyone deserves to make that much money anyway, for any reason whatsoever.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Bullshit. The guy making 40M is getting the exact same deal as the guy making 133K. The benefits are exactly equal.
The guy making 40M does not need social security.
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I do not believe that anyone deserves to make that much money anyway, for any reason whatsoever.
It is none of your fucking business.
Yes, it's everyone's business, because wealth a finite resource.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said: Why don't you give some money to charities? You could deduct that from your taxes and then you'd get to choose where your money was going, for the most part, right? I will admit that I don't know very much about this but I know my parents did a lot of deductions based on charitable donations.
We have 3 children. One at Boston Law, one at Penn for a chem E PhD and one at Parsons School of Design. Unfortunately those charities are not deductible.
I don't think charitable contributions should be deductible. Almost every one that complies with the tax requirements is a scam that spends most of its receipts on fund raising.
I don't understand. If you're spending X amount of money, you're spending X amount of money, regardless of where it goes. The money you pay for your children to go to college isn't the money you pay for taxes. I'm talking about redirecting the money you send to the federal government in other directions. You have to pay for taxes and whatever other expenses you take on, not one or the other. Even if you don't agree with the idea of giving to charities in principle, since it's possible, you can do the research in order to find worthwhile charities and give to those charities but not others.
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In any case, why do you pay for your children's graduate school...? Surely someone getting a Chem E PhD can get a teaching fellowship like any other doctoral student and have their tuition paid for...?
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And if not, tell them to borrow money. I don't see why any parent would pay for something past a BA for their children. Mine didn't even do that, and they were fully capable of doing so.
Who the fuck do you think you are telling me what I should or shouldn't do to support my children? Tell them to get into debt with the most intractable debtor? That's idiotic.
I don't give two shits how your parents took care of you
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
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Bullshit. The guy making 40M is getting the exact same deal as the guy making 133K. The benefits are exactly equal.
The guy making 40M does not need social security.
So what? "From each according to their ability to each according to their needs?" What a novel concept, Karl.Quote:
I do not believe that anyone deserves to make that much money anyway, for any reason whatsoever.
It is none of your fucking business.
Yes, it's everyone's business, because wealth a finite resource.
No, it is not and that is a stunningly ignorant statement but no surprise
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
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You do realize that charity is an income deduction and not a tax credit, right?
No, I didn't. My father led me to believe otherwise.
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The tuition is covered. Living expenses not so much.
Sounds to me like if anyone is a dellitante, it's your children and not me. No wonder you have this attitude.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
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No, it is not and that is a stunningly ignorant statement but no surprise
Please elaborate. I realize that wealth is something that grows but that does not mean it is infinite.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
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The tuition is covered. Living expenses not so much.
Sounds to me like if anyone is a dellitante, it's your children and not me. No wonder you have this attitude.
How are they dilettantes? They're in school. There is no stipend for law school and there is no stipend for a Parsons BA. Boston, NY and Philly are expensive places to live. They're the right age to be pursuing their education. My attitude is that what I do with my money is none of your fucking business. Soon they will be in the work force and able to support me and my wife in our dotage (Just kidding). I suspect your parents will be fucked.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Then why did you call me a dilettante? I am in school.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
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No, it is not and that is a stunningly ignorant statement but no surprise
Please elaborate. I realize that wealth is something that grows but that does not mean it is infinite.
It is created all the time. There is no limit to it. Did you know that language is infinite? It's true. There is no limit to how many grammatically correct sentences can be made
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
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My parents are already comfortably retired. They were probably never as rich as you in material goods but they have a nice four bedroom house in a good neighborhood of a big city. Unless mass war breaks or something, they will never go hungry as they have planned well for retirement and did not expect their children to take care of them in old age.
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It is created all the time. There is no limit to it. Did you know that language is infinite? It's true. There is no limit to how many grammatically correct sentences can be made
That does not make it infinite. Infinity is an abstraction that really only exists in math. Did you ever take calculus? If something is being created all the time, that means that there is an amount greater than than the amount which previously existed. The original word for money in any language was originally etymologically derived from the most precious resource used by the speakers of that language, in the case of many indoeuropean languages, the first word for money was the word for cattle. There was a set amount of cattle. There was not an infinite amount of cattle. In order to create a medium for bartering such that an individual need not have amounts of all different kinds of resources, fiat money systems were devised. But this does mean that the wealth itself is infinite. The value of the sum total of the money is equal to the value of the sum total of the resources. Resources are not infinite. Resources can be created; thus, wealth can grow. Resources cannot, however, be made infinite.
Yes, I did not know that the number of possible grammatical structures is infinite (this property is called generativity). I have studied the transformational generative theory of syntax in depth as part of my graduate studies, because relevant to the research that I do in generating automated score reports for second-language corpus written sample analyses. I don't see how that is relevant, though.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: qman]
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qman said: My father (age 71) also enjoys his SS payments, but he and his employers contributed for over 40 years into the program, will he ever receive what he and his employers contributed on a inflation adjusted basis? Not likely, unless he lives to 130.
My father and your grandma are the lucky ones, they are at least receiving payments as the SS remains solvent, in 10-20 years the people retiring will receive a small fraction of what they contributed, as the SS program goes into major insolvency.
Social Security is one of the few things that has been PROFITABLE for the last EIGHTY YEARS.
Currently it has, what, a $2.2 trillion surplus? Off of memory, I think if NO CHANGES ARE MADE then it can pay 100% of benefits through 2035, and 80% of the benefits from 2035 to 2075...Don't feel like looking up the numbers at the moment.
Can you imagine if other programs were classified as solvent/insolvent? Take the military, we've spent countless trillions of dollars in the last decade or two. It is insolvent. There is no "military tax" to fund the military. It is run on credit each and every year.
SS is one of the few programs that carries a specialized tax for the sole purpose of funding SS. After 80 years, our government has collected trillions more than it has paid out, and libertarians whine that it is insolvent, which is a lie. Never understood that one. It helps the elderly pay for groceries and rent; which in most cases 100% of the money recirculates back into the economy. It's a good program.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Confucian]
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My father and your grandma are the lucky ones, they are at least receiving payments as the SS remains solvent, in 10-20 years the people retiring will receive a small fraction of what they contributed, as the SS program goes into major insolvency.
Social Security is one of the few things that has been PROFITABLE for the last EIGHTY YEARS.
Currently it has, what, a $2.2 trillion surplus? Off of memory, I think if NO CHANGES ARE MADE then it can pay 100% of benefits through 2035, and 80% of the benefits from 2035 to 2075...Don't feel like looking up the numbers at the moment.
Can you imagine if other programs were classified as solvent/insolvent? Take the military, we've spent countless trillions of dollars in the last decade or two. It is insolvent. There is no "military tax" to fund the military. It is run on credit each and every year.
SS is one of the few programs that carries a specialized tax for the sole purpose of funding SS. After 80 years, our government has collected trillions more than it has paid out, and libertarians whine that it is insolvent, which is a lie. Never understood that one. It helps the elderly pay for groceries and rent; which in most cases 100% of the money recirculates back into the economy. It's a good program.
"Currently it has, what, a $2.2 trillion surplus."
You see, that is called a scam. The SS money that has been collected goes into the general expense fund, that money has been already spent.
That "2.2 trillion" is theoretical, it doesn't exist. In fact, last year SS payed out $50 billion more than it collected, that is the first stage of insolvency.
The american public has been scammed about the solvency of SS, it's a lie, and at some point it will come out.
"After 80 years our government has collected trillions more than it has paid out"
I'm sorry, but this is not true. The money has been spent, it's not there. All governments end up being fiscally irresponsible, and the US government is no different, they pissed it away.
In the next 5-10 years as the baby boomers start collecting, it's going to put an incredible strain on the SS program, so far they can borrow to meet the short fall, but in 5-10 years it will not be possible, at that point reality will come into play.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: qman]
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You see, that is called a scam. The SS money that has been collected goes into the general expense fund, that money has been already spent.
That "2.2 trillion" is theoretical, it doesn't exist. In fact, last year SS payed out $50 billion more than it collected, that is the first stage of insolvency.
The american public has been scammed about the solvency of SS, it's a lie, and at some point it will come out.
"After 80 years our government has collected trillions more than it has paid out"
I'm sorry, but this is not true. The money has been spent, it's not there. All governments end up being fiscally irresponsible, and the US government is no different, they pissed it away.
Just because we have a national debt doesn't mean that SS having surpluses is untrue. LOL.
There are lots of businesses that have profitable and unprofitable divisions. SS happens to be one of the most successful and profitable divisions of our government. You can't pretend that SS doesn't yield profits to our government just because overall we have deficits.
It's also not just theoretical. Just as an example, say Hyundai Corporation ran a loss in their car division of $1.5 billion. But they had profits of $1.0 billion in their truck division. Overall they had a $0.5 billion loss. I suppose you can pretend that the $1.0 billion profits in the truck division doesn't exist, that it only exists in theory, but that's not how business/government works.
SS has been a very successful program. With a few changes (raise eligibility age, offer buyouts to those that don't need it, raise the taxable income cap, etc.) it will continue to be profitable.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
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It is none of your fucking business.
Yes, it's everyone's business, because wealth a finite resource.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Confucian]
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You see, that is called a scam. The SS money that has been collected goes into the general expense fund, that money has been already spent.
That "2.2 trillion" is theoretical, it doesn't exist. In fact, last year SS payed out $50 billion more than it collected, that is the first stage of insolvency.
The american public has been scammed about the solvency of SS, it's a lie, and at some point it will come out.
"After 80 years our government has collected trillions more than it has paid out"
I'm sorry, but this is not true. The money has been spent, it's not there. All governments end up being fiscally irresponsible, and the US government is no different, they pissed it away.
Just because we have a national debt doesn't mean that SS having surpluses is untrue. LOL.
There are lots of businesses that have profitable and unprofitable divisions. SS happens to be one of the most successful and profitable divisions of our government. You can't pretend that SS doesn't yield profits to our government just because overall we have deficits.
It's also not just theoretical. Just as an example, say Hyundai Corporation ran a loss in their car division of $1.5 billion. But they had profits of $1.0 billion in their truck division. Overall they had a $0.5 billion loss. I suppose you can pretend that the $1.0 billion profits in the truck division doesn't exist, that it only exists in theory, but that's not how business/government works.
SS has been a very successful program. With a few changes (raise eligibility age, offer buyouts to those that don't need it, raise the taxable income cap, etc.) it will continue to be profitable.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Confucian]
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qman said: "Currently it has, what, a $2.2 trillion surplus."
You see, that is called a scam. The SS money that has been collected goes into the general expense fund, that money has been already spent.
That "2.2 trillion" is theoretical, it doesn't exist. In fact, last year SS payed out $50 billion more than it collected, that is the first stage of insolvency.
The american public has been scammed about the solvency of SS, it's a lie, and at some point it will come out.
"After 80 years our government has collected trillions more than it has paid out"
I'm sorry, but this is not true. The money has been spent, it's not there. All governments end up being fiscally irresponsible, and the US government is no different, they pissed it away.
Just because we have a national debt doesn't mean that SS having surpluses is untrue. LOL.
There are lots of businesses that have profitable and unprofitable divisions. SS happens to be one of the most successful and profitable divisions of our government. You can't pretend that SS doesn't yield profits to our government just because overall we have deficits.
It's also not just theoretical. Just as an example, say Hyundai Corporation ran a loss in their car division of $1.5 billion. But they had profits of $1.0 billion in their truck division. Overall they had a $0.5 billion loss. I suppose you can pretend that the $1.0 billion profits in the truck division doesn't exist, that it only exists in theory, but that's not how business/government works.
SS has been a very successful program. With a few changes (raise eligibility age, offer buyouts to those that don't need it, raise the taxable income cap, etc.) it will continue to be profitable.
"Just because we have a national debt doesn't mean that SS having surpluses is untrue."
When did I ever say it was? There is NO SS surplus, the future payments for SS are future liabilities, those liabilities will NEVER be made whole. The SS money collected has already been spent.
Where do you think the national debt would be if we didn't spend the SS that was collected for the past 40 years? Much higher!!
Also, many thought SS would be cash positive until 2017, but guess what? With over 9 million people collecting SS disability, it made 2012 a net cash flow loss of $50 billion for the program.
With the economy in the dumps, and the baby boomers just starting to retire, this SS program will become a massive negative cash flow program with huge deficits into the 100's of billions of dollar per year.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: qman]
#19358770 - 01/02/14 02:12 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Well the spending might have been less.
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Oh fuck who am I kidding. These cocksuckers in government have always been dedicated to fucking the few to pay for votes.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
#19360153 - 01/02/14 06:43 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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morrowasted said: What is that supposed to mean..?
It means you are going to have to compete with them.
Well, according to you, there is an infinite amount of a wealth, so I need not worry.
But since you have made it clear that your understanding of wealth is fundamentally unsound, and you seem to be indicating that your children pose some sort of threat to me- perhaps due to what you appear to see as stellar parental guidance- I'll address your comment at (much) greater length. I generally compete with others when I choose to. I do not concern myself with making more money than other people, my only concern with regard to wealth is that I have enough of it to avoid discomfort created by resource deficit.. I make $1700 a month working 20-25 hours a week, depending on whether or not there was an exam that day, and never find that I have fewer resources than I need in order to be acceptably comfortable.
I chose my career path not in an attempt to guarantee that I would be able to pathologically accumulate unnecessary disproportional of resources, but in an attempt to guarantee for myself a personally satisfying life experience. When I wake up in the morning, I almost invariably look forward to my entire day, rather than the mere portion during which I am capable of expending my excess resources in the pursuit of ephemeral moments of euphoria.
The only competitions I presently find myself engaging involve winning opportunities to publish research in the most assayed journals to which I am capable of contributing. This I do in order to potentially advance collective understanding in the fields of research that interest me, because I find them to be more engaging and important than my own ego and my material possessions.
In spite of your apparent material wealth, zappa, the content of your posts and your user-title give me the impression that you are chronically angry and dissatisfied. Perhaps this is not the case, but the number of individuals who have me in the ignore lists and the number of individuals who have you on their ignore lists speaks to the probably reality that your personality is not as acceptable to the people you interact with as it is to you. I frequently perceive that there are ways in which I could improve my personality; the people I interact with, however, rarely say or do things that indicate dissatisfaction with my personality. In the course of this conversation, despite the fact that we disagree, you have made statements such as
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No, you go live in a forest. I don't know you, I don't like you and I might not want to piss on you if you were on fire. What are you gonna do for me as a member of civilized society? My guess. Nothing.
Presently, at least, it feels much more important to me that I - Avoid making statements that appear to demonstrate a level of morality surpassed by most dogs and
- Avoid as much as possible a worldview which assumes the inferior character of others in an apparent effort eliminate any cognitive dissonance in response to being challenged.
than that I make $400,000 a year.
Perhaps I am just fooling myself, zappa. Perhaps I am merely a victim of some extreme psychological delusion, because I am so insecure that I feel I'll never be able to get ahead in what really matters, so I've deluded myself into believing that all sorts of silly that are far more important than having more money than I need. I guess we'll never know who's right.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
#19360250 - 01/02/14 07:02 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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Bullshit. The guy making 40M is getting the exact same deal as the guy making 133K. The benefits are exactly equal.
The guy making 40M does not need social security.
So what? "From each according to their ability to each according to their needs?" What a novel concept, Karl.Quote:
I do not believe that anyone deserves to make that much money anyway, for any reason whatsoever.
It is none of your fucking business.
Yes, it's everyone's business, because wealth a finite resource.
Maybe in an economy where legal tender is backed by,say gold or silver, but not in America. Our legal tender is backed by the full faith of the government, or something like that. So as long as you "got faith, fa-fa-faith", there's no limit.
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myc_check1212 said: Maybe in an economy where legal tender is backed by,say gold or silver, but not in America. Our legal tender is backed by the full faith of the government, or something like that. So as long as you "got faith, fa-fa-faith", there's no limit.
You make it sound like dollars are worthless and only a religious fanatic would believe in something so obviously fake - because it requires faith to believe in the dollar.
You're wrong. People kill for dollars. Nobody gives a flying fuck about gold or silver compared to the ALMIGHTY DOLLAR.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Confucian]
#19360334 - 01/02/14 07:22 PM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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I'm making jest at wealth is finite.
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myc_check1212 said: I'm making jest at wealth is finite.
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"That does not make it infinite. Infinity is an abstraction that really only exists in math. Did you ever take calculus? If something is being created all the time, that means that there is an amount greater than than the amount which previously existed. The original word for money in any language was originally etymologically derived from the most precious resource used by the speakers of that language, in the case of many indoeuropean languages, the first word for money was the word for cattle. There was a set amount of cattle. There was not an infinite amount of cattle. In order to create a money systems were devised. But this does mean that the wealth itself is infinite. The value of the sum total of the money is equal to the value of the sum total of the resources. Resources are not infinite. Resources can bemedium for bartering such that an individual need not have amounts of all different kinds of resources, fiatcreated; thus, wealth can grow. Resources cannot, however, be made infinite.
Nope. It's interesting to me that this misconception is so common. Where did you 'learn' it? Even is the universe almost certinlt isn't infinite, lol.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
#19362417 - 01/03/14 08:26 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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morrowasted said: What is that supposed to mean..?
It means you are going to have to compete with them.
Well, according to you, there is an infinite amount of a wealth, so I need not worry.
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But since you have made it clear that your understanding of wealth is fundamentally unsound, and you seem to be indicating that your children pose some sort of threat to me- perhaps due to what you appear to see as stellar parental guidance- I'll address your comment at (much) greater length. I generally compete with others when I choose to. I do not concern myself with making more money than other people, my only concern with regard to wealth is that I have enough of it to avoid discomfort created by resource deficit.. I make $1700 a month working 20-25 hours a week, depending on whether or not there was an exam that day, and never find that I have fewer resources than I need in order to be acceptably comfortable.
Then you are immune to any threat of competition from my children. You have opted out Quote:
I chose my career path not in an attempt to guarantee that I would be able to pathologically accumulate unnecessary disproportional of resources, but in an attempt to guarantee for myself a personally satisfying life experience. When I wake up in the morning, I almost invariably look forward to my entire day, rather than the mere portion during which I am capable of expending my excess resources in the pursuit of ephemeral moments of euphoria.
So I take it you are also refusing all government handouts since you don't give a fuck.Quote:
The only competitions I presently find myself engaging involve winning opportunities to publish research in the most assayed journals to which I am capable of contributing. This I do in order to potentially advance collective understanding in the fields of research that interest me, because I find them to be more engaging and important than my own ego and my material possessions.
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In spite of your apparent material wealth, zappa, the content of your posts and your user-title give me the impression that you are chronically angry and dissatisfied.
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Perhaps this is not the case, but the number of individuals who have me in the ignore lists and the number of individuals who have you on their ignore lists speaks to the probably reality that your personality is not as acceptable to the people you interact with as it is to you.
It is more an indictment of the people who are ignoring me. You might note that I'm not ignoring anyone. Not even you.Quote:
I frequently perceive that there are ways in which I could improve my personality; the people I interact with, however, rarely say or do things that indicate dissatisfaction with my personality. In the course of this conversation, despite the fact that we disagree, you have made statements such as
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No, you go live in a forest. I don't know you, I don't like you and I might not want to piss on you if you were on fire. What are you gonna do for me as a member of civilized society? My guess. Nothing.
Presently, at least, it feels much more important to me that I - Avoid making statements that appear to demonstrate a level of morality surpassed by most dogs and
- Avoid as much as possible a worldview which assumes the inferior character of others in an apparent effort eliminate any cognitive dissonance in response to being challenged.
than that I make $400,000 a year.
Perhaps I am just fooling myself, zappa. Perhaps I am merely a victim of some extreme psychological delusion, because I am so insecure that I feel I'll never be able to get ahead in what really matters, so I've deluded myself into believing that all sorts of silly that are far more important than having more money than I need. I guess we'll never know who's right.
I don't give a fuck what you do as long as I do not have to pay for anything related to your life maintenance. Knock yourself out. Do what you want. Get out of my wallet. I would rather light a cigar with a hundred dollar bill than see it go to some bum fuck who chooses not to support himself.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
#19362451 - 01/03/14 08:42 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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So I take it you are also refusing all government handouts since you don't give a fuck.
I'm not sure I know what you mean by "give a fuck". Perhaps try and be a little bit more precise with your language. I said I wasn't interested in havinf excess resources. It doesn't seem to me believe the government is generally in the business of providing them. Perhaps some individuals take advantage of it in order to do so, but it's probably difficult to get wealthy on "handouts".
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
#19362503 - 01/03/14 09:05 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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So I take it you are also refusing all government handouts since you don't give a fuck.
I'm not sure I know what you mean by "give a fuck". Perhaps try and be a little bit more precise with your language. I said I wasn't interested in havinf excess resources. It doesn't seem to me believe the government is generally in the business of providing them. Perhaps some individuals take advantage of it in order to do so, but it's probably difficult to get wealthy on "handouts".
Are you taking any handouts at all since you have decided that you do not need to make much money? You clearly have no interest in getting wealthy. That's fine. Do you at least have the self respect to refuse any handouts? You work half time and don't appear to make enough money to support yourself. Am I being compelled the point of a gun to buy you shit? Let me rephrase that so you understand it. Are you getting government benefits of any kind at all while making zero contribution to the tax base? Millions of poor people are on medicaid many through no fault of their own. What is your contribution to the social safety net? My guess would be cock. And yet you insist there be one. That somebody else, not your dilettante self, pays for. How nice for you. You demand taxpayers pay for shit but deliberately minimize your contribution to the tax paying public.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
#19362527 - 01/03/14 09:11 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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You work half time and don't appear to make enough money to support yourself.
I work half time because I am in graduate school full time, and I do make enough money to support myself; in fact, I have money left over to save, now that I dont spend any of it on drugs. Houston is much cheaper than New York.
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What is your contribution to the social safety net?
Do you expect babies to contribute, as well? People have to start somewhere. I will eventually contribute such that I am in the top 15% of taxpayers. Did you make 400k at age 24?
Why are your posts so apparently angry and filled with profanity? What makes it so difficult for you to engage in level-headed discussion? If you make so much money, I don't see why you are so worried about these things, anyway. The most my parents ever made was 200k annually and we always considered our family to be extremely well off and never felt any financial worries at all. And my parents give a lot of money to charity (which as I have recently found out thanks to you is not a tax credit but only an income deduction).
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
#19362657 - 01/03/14 10:04 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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You work half time and don't appear to make enough money to support yourself.
I work half time because I am in graduate school full time, and I do make enough money to support myself; in fact, I have money left over to save, now that I dont spend any of it on drugs. Houston is much cheaper than New York.
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What is your contribution to the social safety net?
Do you expect babies to contribute, as well? People have to start somewhere. I will eventually contribute such that I am in the top 15% of taxpayers. Did you make 400k at age 24?
Why are your posts so apparently angry and filled with profanity?
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What makes it so difficult for you to engage in level-headed discussion?
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If you make so much money, I don't see why you are so worried about these things, anyway.
I want it to go where I want it to go, not to random shitbag breeders and opt out bums.Quote:
The most my parents ever made was 200k annually and we always considered our family to be extremely well off and never felt any financial worries at all.
I doubt you would have ever known about them anyway but they cut you off at the BA level, right? We haven't done that.Quote:
And my parents give a lot of money to charity (which as I have recently found out thanks to you is not a tax credit but only an income deduction).
Don't you wish they had funded your education fully rather than give money to charities most of which spend more on fund raising than in actually doing anything?
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
#19362751 - 01/03/14 10:32 AM (10 years, 28 days ago) |
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I'm a fucking contractor,that's how we fuckin talk.
reminds me of Gran Torino, is that you Walter Kowalski? Im off the lawn
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
#19362790 - 01/03/14 10:40 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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morrowasted said: Yes, it's everyone's business, because wealth a finite resource.
No its not. Wealth can be, and is, created and destroyed.
Resources are a finite resource, not wealth. Wealth and resources are not the same. If everybody on the earth consumed the same amount of resources then everybody on earth would get the equivalent of 12k US dollars a year per family of four. You think the person making 40 million makes more than he "needs"? The rest of the world thinks the same thing of us making 40 thousand a year. To be fair with your line of reasoning you must demonize every family making over 12k a year.
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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: DieCommie]
#19362822 - 01/03/14 10:50 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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morrowasted said: Yes, it's everyone's business, because wealth a finite resource.
No its not. Wealth can be, and is, created and destroyed.
Resources are a finite resource, not wealth. Wealth and resources are not the same. If everybody on the earth consumed the same amount of resources then everybody on earth would get the equivalent of 12k US dollars a year per family of four. You think the person making 40 million makes more than he "needs"? The rest of the world thinks the same thing of us making 40 thousand a year. To be fair with your line of reasoning you must demonize every family making over 12k a year.
12 thou a year?! Those fat cats!
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morrowasted said: Yes, it's everyone's business, because wealth a finite resource.
No its not. Wealth can be, and is, created and destroyed.
Resources are a finite resource, not wealth. Wealth and resources are not the same. If everybody on the earth consumed the same amount of resources then everybody on earth would get the equivalent of 12k US dollars a year per family of four. You think the person making 40 million makes more than he "needs"? The rest of the world thinks the same thing of us making 40 thousand a year. To be fair with your line of reasoning you must demonize every family making over 12k a year.
12 thou a year?! Those fat cats!
Like it or not, thats all the world can support.
The average american family wage is 50k a year for a family of four. If everybody were to live like this it would take four and a half earths for their to be enough resources. 50k divided by 4.5 is 11k. We are so dripping rich in this country that we done even know how to live off of a sustainable amount of resources. And yet the left has the gall to call other people out for being too rich... Its not a very well thought out position.
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