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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19351948 - 12/31/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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No, you go live in a forest.  I don't know you, I don't like you and I might not want to piss on you if you were on fire.  What are you gonna do for me as a member of civilized society?  My guess.  Nothing.


Unsurprising; your user-title gives you away. If nothing else, you're honest. You're making a pretty drastic assumption about me, though. When was the last time you did any service work? Because I do quite a bit.




Never.  I write six figure tax checks every year.  That's my service.



Unsurprising. Unfortunately, paying taxes isn't a services, it's an obligation. Service is when you do something you aren't obligated to do in order to help your fellowman. But, as we all know, you're a horrid asshole, and nobody expects a horrid asshole to think about the interests of anyone other than himself.


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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19351957 - 12/31/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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  If you want to pay for assholes' bullshit you are free to do so. 



Where did I say I wanted to pay for your bullshit?. I want to pay to help the sick and disadvantaged.


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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
    #19351981 - 12/31/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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No, you go live in a forest.  I don't know you, I don't like you and I might not want to piss on you if you were on fire.  What are you gonna do for me as a member of civilized society?  My guess.  Nothing.


Unsurprising; your user-title gives you away. If nothing else, you're honest. You're making a pretty drastic assumption about me, though. When was the last time you did any service work? Because I do quite a bit.




Never.  I write six figure tax checks every year.  That's my service.



Unsurprising. Unfortunately, paying taxes isn't a services, it's an obligation. Service is when you do something you aren't obligated to do in order to help your fellowman. But, as we all know, you're a horrid asshole, and nobody expects a horrid asshole to think about the interests of anyone other than himself.




How much are you obliged to pay?  At what point in your life have you ever considered my interests beyond how how much you can fuck me?


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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
    #19351989 - 12/31/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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  If you want to pay for assholes' bullshit you are free to do so. 



Where did I say I wanted to pay for your bullshit?. I want to pay to help the sick and disadvantaged.





Then pay for them.  Leave me out of it.  I bet you are one of the disadvantaged sucking government tit.


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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19352025 - 12/31/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

You sure do make a lot of assumptions. Ever stop and ask yourself why you have to make so many assumptions about other people? Maybe try to meditate on that for a while.

I borrowed money from private institutions to put my way through college. My graduate school tuition is paid for by the university as a result of my TAship. I pay a humble amount of taxes, and I make a humble amount of money. I do not collect any services that I'm aware of outside of the normal use of roads and public parks and so forth, although I do pay into social security that I'll probably never collect. If you plan on collecting social security, I suppose that's the only thing I can say I've contributed to your well-being. But, if you happened to be someone who lived in my area that was either homeless or a recovering alcoholic/addict, there's a decent chance that at some point you'd receive some kind of service from me.

I've never once considered how much I could fuck you. Perhaps that is something you think about a lot, but not me. In fact, the only offline thoughts I've had about you have been positive, as a result of what I was told about you by iamchavel, with whom I have been in contact outside of the shroomery. Sometimes I like what you have to say, sometimes I don't.

At least you're not apathetic. You appear to make a conscious decision to be the way you are. Even if I disagree with you, I can respect that. Apathy is worse than most things I can think of.


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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
    #19352074 - 12/31/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

I am one of the people who are forced at the point of a gun to pay the way for you to be a dilletante.  I would rather not have been forced to pay into social security and the fact is that I have been utterly screwed by it.  I won't come anywhere near being made whole by soc sec.  I have been utterly fucked by it.  You will be fucked even more than me.


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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19352104 - 12/31/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

It seems to me that the exorbitant tuition costs of the students I teach are "paying the way for me to be a dellitante". I can't remember having received a check from you.


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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
    #19352117 - 12/31/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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It seems to me that the exorbitant tuition costs of the students I teach are "paying the way for me to be a dellitante". I can't remember having received a check from you.




Are you in the top 15% of taxpayers?


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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19352135 - 12/31/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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It seems to me that the exorbitant tuition costs of the students I teach are "paying the way for me to be a dellitante". I can't remember having received a check from you.




Are you in the top 15% of taxpayers?



No, but I will be. Does your tax money pay my salary/tuition?


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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
    #19352161 - 12/31/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

http://www.alignamerica.com/node/62

keep calm and pay taxes


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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
    #19352173 - 12/31/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Don't know.  Where do you go to school?  I know I pay for everything else but I might be paying for your miseducation.

I don't want to be a dick all the time.  You seem to be well spoken (written whatever) and I think you have potential but if you are going to embrace a system where the few earners pay for the vast majority of leeches you are going to find the exact same thing the Soviet Union did


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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19352212 - 12/31/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

What sort of system should I embrace? I've gone through a phase where I called myself everything in the book, from libertarian to conservative to moderate to liberal. Now I don't call myself anything. I am confused as fuck most of the time, and I don't know what is true. I am only 24, but I feel like I have done a lot more research than most people my age in order to figure out what is right, and the more research I do, the more confused I get. The approach I take now is to forget about ideology, not call myself anything, and just try to analyze each individual issue in order to arrive at an informed conclusion.

I have tried not to make any threads titled "EVERYONE SHOULD SUPPORT OBAMACARE!!" I made a thread that linked to some statistics I had found but did not fully understand in order to see if anyone could provide me with some critical analysis of them, since I find myself incapable of analyzing myself, despite the fact that they appear on the surface to be demonstrating something positive.

I have related my own experience with the ACA. I have noticed an overwhelming amount of negativity regarding the issue, but part of me suspects that a significant portion of the naysayers in this particular environment are about 21 years old, still on their parents' medical insurance, and are essentially parroting each other. My experience with the ACA has been positive thus far, and I felt that it would be appropriate to introduce some dissenting attitude into an overwhelmingly homogeneous pool of opinions.

I am not comfortable sharing the information about where teach/attend school on this forum. Iamchavel knows, if you really want to know you can ask him, but please do not share the information with anyone else.


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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19352218 - 12/31/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

the lower class is never going to pay exuberant taxes when they don't have living wages

if anything the goverment asking them to pay taxes would be "leeching"


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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Konyap]
    #19353232 - 12/31/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

God I'm so glad I have free healthcare through JPS in tarrant county texas. As shitty as the services are, at least my doctor visits are only 10 bucks and prescriptions are only 10 bucks as well. I don't know what I'm going to do when I move back to california though...


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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19353274 - 12/31/13 11:57 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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I would rather not have been forced to pay into social security and the fact is that I have been utterly screwed by it.




Since you "write six figure tax checks every year" you are getting a great deal on social security (considering the max you could possibly pay towards SS is about $14,000). You apparently make millions (perhaps even 10s of millions) of dollars a year. Yet you pay the exact same towards Social Security as a person that makes $113,700. All income after that is SS-tax free.


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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Confucian]
    #19353985 - 01/01/14 08:47 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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I would rather not have been forced to pay into social security and the fact is that I have been utterly screwed by it.




Since you "write six figure tax checks every year" you are getting a great deal on social security (considering the max you could possibly pay towards SS is about $14,000). You apparently make millions (perhaps even 10s of millions) of dollars a year. Yet you pay the exact same towards Social Security as a person that makes $113,700. All income after that is SS-tax free.



I believe he meant he pays the taxes on a six-figure income.


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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Confucian]
    #19354137 - 01/01/14 09:53 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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I would rather not have been forced to pay into social security and the fact is that I have been utterly screwed by it.




Since you "write six figure tax checks every year" you are getting a great deal on social security (considering the max you could possibly pay towards SS is about $14,000). You apparently make millions (perhaps even 10s of millions) of dollars a year. Yet you pay the exact same towards Social Security as a person that makes $113,700. All income after that is SS-tax free.




1.  In this country a combined family income of less than $400,000 puts you into the six figure tax territory
2.  I am getting a shit deal on soc sec because I would have several million dollars in the bank if I had made the same investment in the market.
3.  SS tax free, yipee.  After I pay my $14G what do I get for it?  Cat food benefits.

You don't know what you're talking about at all.  Social security is a total rip off and has been from the beginning and got even worse when they put the soc sec receipts into the general fund.


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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: morrowasted]
    #19354139 - 01/01/14 09:54 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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I would rather not have been forced to pay into social security and the fact is that I have been utterly screwed by it.




Since you "write six figure tax checks every year" you are getting a great deal on social security (considering the max you could possibly pay towards SS is about $14,000). You apparently make millions (perhaps even 10s of millions) of dollars a year. Yet you pay the exact same towards Social Security as a person that makes $113,700. All income after that is SS-tax free.



I believe he meant he pays the taxes on a six-figure income.




No. I mean we write 6 figure tax checks.


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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19354220 - 01/01/14 10:29 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Why don't you give some money to charities? You could deduct that from your taxes and then you'd get to choose where your money was going, for the most part, right? I will admit that I don't know very much about this but I know my parents did a lot of deductions based on charitable donations.


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Re: I signed up for Obamacare. [Re: Confucian]
    #19354224 - 01/01/14 10:31 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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I would rather not have been forced to pay into social security and the fact is that I have been utterly screwed by it.




Since you "write six figure tax checks every year" you are getting a great deal on social security (considering the max you could possibly pay towards SS is about $14,000). You apparently make millions (perhaps even 10s of millions) of dollars a year. Yet you pay the exact same towards Social Security as a person that makes $113,700. All income after that is SS-tax free.




"you are getting a great deal on social security"

No one gets a "great deal" on social security.


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