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Edmunter
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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19477384 - 01/26/14 03:41 PM (10 years, 4 days ago) |
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Aopocetx said: I don't buy this whole "the world is a dream" shit. The way we perceive it MIGHT be an illusion in some ways, but really we're just animals that have been lucky/blessed enough to evolve high intelligence. But I think some of us come to errors in our conclusions about the world due to this ability to think. We take a misguided thought and run with it to create these outlandish theories.
Me neither, and that's not what I've been saying. So forget about the "dream" crap, it's not even a good analogy, and it was what somebody else said anyway.
The world that you think you see is a complete fabrication occurring in your mind. It's all a construction of your mind. Try to wrap your head around that. Buddhists have been doing this for thousands of years. There's no theory involved here, merely the direct perception beyond thought that anybody can achieve if they want to work at it. 
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Utter bollox.... There is such a thing as collective consciousness.
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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: Edmunter]
#19478181 - 01/26/14 07:00 PM (10 years, 4 days ago) |
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Don't fear your own mind! There is no sense or logic in this. You have your mind, and everyone else has theirs.
For me, mushrooms help me realize that we're all not so different; all a part of an epic fellowship in this wonderful journey that is life.
Everything is real. Sure, Psychedelics can temporarily change your perception of reality, but reality itself does not change. To think otherwise is instantly dismissible egotistical drivel. Remember, the world dosen't give two shits whether you dropped shrooms or not, its gonna keep on spinning, the universe is gonna keep on ticking at the same stroke just the same.
Enjoy your life, you are lucky and blessed to be alive! Lighten your heart and remember that everything is gonna be alright! Be at peace, don't entertain nonsense and your life will can be filled more love and joy than you know!
Hope this helped at least a little bit OP!
Edited by zoom_zoom_shroom (01/26/14 07:01 PM)
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PrimalSoup
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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: spikeycloud]
#19478815 - 01/26/14 08:38 PM (10 years, 4 days ago) |
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spikeycloud said: The last thing might be indeed be possible. Because in most of those trips I did not experience scary things I only thought them. And I kept worrying about those thoughts in the trip and even sober. This was all on very low doses btw.
I don't want to take higher doses for this reason even though it might show me that I'm completely wrong how I think about tripping now. Don't want to take the risk that I will feel even worse. Because I'm already feeling very negatively.
It sounds more like you're having a sense of unreality in or as a result of tripping which seems pretty common. It does make you question a lot of things, and it can deconstruct your sense of how things work big time, and that it itself is enough to make you question whether your should ever want to do it again. Been there, done that. But I think low doses are worse that way because IME they leave you feeling like you have an itch that you just can't scratch. 
I wouldn't pay it all too much mind, if you're open to the experience and don't fear it it can show you all kinds of useful stuff about the mental illusions we all get stuck in sometimes. Sorting it out can be hard work, and as you can readily see from some of the posts in this thread there are a lot of people that cling to their ego manifestations no matter what. 
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PS apologies for dumping on you earlier, I'd forgotten you were the OP and it just seemed like a random comment to me... Whether you think its all real or not doesn't really make any difference, for one important reason - you can't make it stop, and you can't leave here. But how you think about it does make a difference in how you get along with it all, whatever it really is, so it does matter that you think about it constructively.
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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: Edmunter]
#19478844 - 01/26/14 08:46 PM (10 years, 4 days ago) |
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Utter bollox.... There is such a thing as collective consciousness.
What difference would that make? I'm not saying I disagree with you, because I experience those kinds of things quite often, but nobody is ever privy to the exact thoughts I think except myself. Thank god.     
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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19478959 - 01/26/14 09:12 PM (10 years, 4 days ago) |
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Aopocetx said: I don't buy this whole "the world is a dream" shit. The way we perceive it MIGHT be an illusion in some ways, but really we're just animals that have been lucky/blessed enough to evolve high intelligence. But I think some of us come to errors in our conclusions about the world due to this ability to think. We take a misguided thought and run with it to create these outlandish theories.
Me neither, and that's not what I've been saying. So forget about the "dream" crap, it's not even a good analogy, and it was what somebody else said anyway.
The world that you think you see is a complete fabrication occurring in your mind. It's all a construction of your mind. Try to wrap your head around that. Buddhists have been doing this for thousands of years. There's no theory involved here, merely the direct perception beyond thought that anybody can achieve if they want to work at it. 
People that claim otherwise just haven't gotten there yet.
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PS, you seem to be one of the few people here who "get it" I love it. Trying to wrap peoples minds around the infinite ambiguity that is existence is damn near impossible. The only "dream" we're living in is the reality that tells us that things can be a dream or not a dream in the first place. By calling reality a dream you're only saying "the shit that's 'real' is not what i thought it was"
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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: PrimalSoup] 1
#19478964 - 01/26/14 09:12 PM (10 years, 4 days ago) |
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Akashic Record Collective Unconcious
I for one do believe that there is an akashic record or collective unconciousness that we are all a part of. It helps to explain many theories including how an idea occurs on oe side of the globe then almost simultaneously happens around the world. I am also a firm believer that us silly little humans are building our own model of the collective with the rise of the internet.
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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19478983 - 01/26/14 09:17 PM (10 years, 4 days ago) |
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Me neither, and that's not what I've been saying. So forget about the "dream" crap, it's not even a good analogy, and it was what somebody else said anyway.
The world that you think you see is a complete fabrication occurring in your mind. It's all a construction of your mind. Try to wrap your head around that. Buddhists have been doing this for thousands of years. There's no theory involved here, merely the direct perception beyond thought that anybody can achieve if they want to work at it. 
People that claim otherwise just haven't gotten there yet.
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Ohhh I understand what you're saying now.
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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: fractalpancakes] 1
#19478990 - 01/26/14 09:19 PM (10 years, 4 days ago) |
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I for one do believe that there is an akashic record or collective unconciousness that we are all a part of.
Oh yeah, and +1 for that. I've talked about the Akashic Record more than once here - it's kind of a strange concept but once you connect with it while tripping and the information pours out it becomes a bit harder to dismiss. What's interesting to me is that you can put information INTO it as well as extract it... 
There are many ways to think about this, though, and when you get outside yourself and start interacting directly with the nonhuman intelligences that occur in the natural world, you can no longer understand it in a linear fashion and have to take it in kind of like a firehose. Tripping opens this door; no wonder it's so strange. I may be saying too much here though; this ground is very fertile and wants more human exploration. 
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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: fractalpancakes]
#19479056 - 01/26/14 09:34 PM (10 years, 4 days ago) |
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Well exactly. You have to begin to think about it in an exponentially fractal nature. I consider this on par with killing the ego and opening the mind up to a sort of quantum way of thought. Seeing the infinite possibilities if you will.
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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19479748 - 01/27/14 12:36 AM (10 years, 4 days ago) |
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Aopocetx said: I don't buy this whole "the world is a dream" shit. The way we perceive it MIGHT be an illusion in some ways, but really we're just animals that have been lucky/blessed enough to evolve high intelligence. But I think some of us come to errors in our conclusions about the world due to this ability to think. We take a misguided thought and run with it to create these outlandish theories.
Me neither, and that's not what I've been saying. So forget about the "dream" crap, it's not even a good analogy, and it was what somebody else said anyway.
The world that you think you see is a complete fabrication occurring in your mind. It's all a construction of your mind. Try to wrap your head around that. Buddhists have been doing this for thousands of years. There's no theory involved here, merely the direct perception beyond thought that anybody can achieve if they want to work at it. 
People that claim otherwise just haven't gotten there yet.
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i.e. life is a dream projected by the brain
comparing reality to a dream is probably the best comparison one can make at all what else should we compare it to? nothing
everything you see is self created you can change everything too if you have the mind power, just like in a lucid dream
you can change your self image, you can change the image of other people there are no limits to the mind
whether life is physical/real you will first know when you die, but comparing it to a dream seems very reasonable to me, same with comparing it to buddhism(mind is all)
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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: lessismore]
#19482019 - 01/27/14 03:45 PM (10 years, 3 days ago) |
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Dreams are a subset of reality, and although the comparison may seem apt, the real job here is simply to wake up completely. 
I had an excellent music-filled dream this morning, but there was never any doubt that that's what it was - either at the time or upon awakening, which was not dying. 
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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19510054 - 02/02/14 09:01 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think there is still a big difference between something being a dream or something being real. Take all living things for an example, in a dream they don't exist because your mind made them up. In reality there are other minds that can think and have thoughts and feelings just like you. Yet it is still invincible for other minds to experience.
That's why I think that everyone experiences reality different. It all depends on your believe system.
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Re: Still getting anxiety even months after tripping [Re: spikeycloud]
#19510576 - 02/02/14 11:31 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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