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Re: I am waiting for some Acacia confusa [Re: Aopocetx]
#19400587 - 01/10/14 06:33 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Mine was grapefruit juice colored, not very thick. Not unpleasant to drink at all. The rue really roughed me up at 5 g though, I'd scale it back to 4 and see from there. If I were you, I'd just stagger your consumption of your brew. Kill half and then come back for more a bit later.
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Re: I am waiting for some Acacia confusa [Re: lot_justice]
#19400692 - 01/10/14 07:06 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Dude i have tripped alot and on large doses so i dont know if you had a weak batch or what but mine at thirteen was pretty intense and if you step up to 18 lsd cant come close
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Re: I am waiting for some Acacia confusa [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
#19400774 - 01/10/14 07:28 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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I've dropped 25 hits of 170 mic L before. My personal radar on what is intense or not probably deviates from the norm. Also, dmt just isn't super intense for me. Yes, I will find my body rocking in crazy spasms and see lots of beuatiful visuals, but it feels normal. Nothing I do while under the influence of it even makes me raise my eyebrows, and I've yet to find a dose that can yet. In the end once I had the peak moment I had a pretty "hard trip" but I was incredibly comfortable the whole time.
I stand by my initial statement that DMT is like buying a ticket for the bus whereas LSD is being given the bus. DMT is the drug of the chosen people. You get to sit on your throne and feel the benevolence of many spirits who will coddle you. LSD nearly puts you onto the same level as those spirits. You become the contemporary, and there's a peril and wildness to it which DMT has yet to be able to touch for me.
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Re: I am waiting for some Acacia confusa [Re: lot_justice]
#19400796 - 01/10/14 07:34 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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I can think of several glimpses from my trip today which would seem intense to the outsider. Me lying on the floor on my side inexplicably moaning weird animalistic noises and my entire body shakes to the beat of some intangible drum, as if I was a snake on the floor wiggling, or someone seizing. My insights on the fact that I had experienced this exact trip before somehow. The closed eye visuals I had in which the dmt hyperspace is the bottom of one of many legs on a mother squid who, whether people know it or not, is influencing the day to day lives and decision of each person who is at the end of one of her legs.
All this stuff hits with a very nonchalant, "you already knew this though." feeling.
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Re: I am waiting for some Acacia confusa [Re: lot_justice]
#19400840 - 01/10/14 07:44 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Im not gonna get started
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Re: I am waiting for some Acacia confusa [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
#19400971 - 01/10/14 08:15 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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I'm sorry I disagree with you on an experience that is subjective?
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Re: I am waiting for some Acacia confusa [Re: Aopocetx]
#19401659 - 01/10/14 11:31 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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And wolf, you're right. Damn I keep changing what my dose is gonna be. Like 5 times now in this thread. But I have enough material to where I can keep going up slowly. The reason I was gonna do 13g is just because I'm used to tripping hard and I wanted to get full effects.
Despite at that point like you being used to high doses of psychedelics, and despite expecting something much much greater, I never myself knew that such ferocious skull fucking intensity could even be possible! The absolute intensest of all intense intensities intensifying ever more intensely! I'm not sure if even a pint of LSD could get anywhere near it!
For me I really felt like I was for sure going to die, because I couldn't very well believe that the human mind would be able to withstand such eye-popping insanity without imploding from the inside out!
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If someone could comment on how rue works capped I would love to know. I just need to know if waiting 30 minutes is enough considering the gelcaps need to dissolve. And are you guys saying something like 3g is enough? I figured if I used a good amount I would get some harmala effects in my trip which is mildly psychedelic if I remember correctly.
My sweet spot is 2 grams raw! 1 gram is not enough and lacks all the therapeutic qualities that rue brings to the table, whereas at three grams the side effects begin to get rather nasty and the effect of the rue starts to cloud out the effects of the DMT!
Still, everyone is different and you will need to find your own sweet spot! I don't use gelcap's myself, I powder the rue and when I'm good to go wash it down with coke and then chase that down with some more coke for the taste! Taken cold and quick, its not really that bad! Don't boil it though cause then it will be utterly foul!
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Re: I am waiting for some Acacia confusa [Re: wolf8312]
#19401800 - 01/11/14 12:06 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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My sweet spot is 2 grams raw! 1 gram is not enough and lacks all the therapeutic qualities that rue brings to the table, whereas at three grams the side effects begin to get rather nasty and the effect of the rue starts to cloud out the effects of the DMT!
Still, everyone is different and you will need to find your own sweet spot! I don't use gelcap's myself, I powder the rue and when I'm good to go wash it down with coke and then chase that down with some more coke for the taste! Taken cold and quick, its not really that bad! Don't boil it though cause then it will be utterly foul!
Thank you for sharing :] just did a new trial myself with 5 g of bark and 2 g of rue. Much more enjoyable than anything I had experienced earlier in day on 5 g of rue. I would concur that the rue can blot out the effect of dmt when taken is excess.
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Re: I am waiting for some Acacia confusa [Re: lot_justice]
#19402697 - 01/11/14 07:54 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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I woke up today and the sediment in my drink has settled to the bottom and on top is a grapefruit colored (like you said) clear liquid. So anyway, today is the day. I'll lower my Rue dosage too.
Hopefully I can be like lot_justice and have an awesome experience.
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Re: I am waiting for some Acacia confusa [Re: Aopocetx]
#19403853 - 01/11/14 01:22 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Aopocetx said: I woke up today and the sediment in my drink has settled to the bottom and on top is a grapefruit colored (like you said) clear liquid. So anyway, today is the day. I'll lower my Rue dosage too.
Hopefully I can be like lot_justice and have an awesome experience.
I wish you the best man. I'll keep ya in my thoughts, send some good will your way. Be sure to report back on your experience! And don't go get getting any darts blown at you by a dmt spirit
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Re: I am waiting for some Acacia confusa [Re: lot_justice]
#19403879 - 01/11/14 01:29 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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lot_justice said:
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Aopocetx said: I woke up today and the sediment in my drink has settled to the bottom and on top is a grapefruit colored (like you said) clear liquid. So anyway, today is the day. I'll lower my Rue dosage too.
Hopefully I can be like lot_justice and have an awesome experience.
I wish you the best man. I'll keep ya in my thoughts, send some good will your way. Be sure to report back on your experience! And don't go get getting any darts blown at you by a dmt spirit 
Wouldn't it have to be another shaman?
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Re: I am waiting for some Acacia confusa [Re: Aopocetx]
#19403931 - 01/11/14 01:41 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Brings up an interesting point about the death of certain shamans. Supposedly the top dawgs succeed in escaping a normal death. If their life is successful, some shamans supposedly just sort of slip out of existence when their time comes, rather than pass away. Supposedly a band of shamans get together to do this, and make a purposeful transition into the other realms when their collective time is at hand.
Which begs the question, what is the point of this? It may sound hokey, but I myself have accidentally stepped into different planes (or maybe not so accidentally, it felt like there were other shamans around at the time which used energy fields that sort of influenced my behaviors). I'm wondering if just as I was able to come back from these places to my physical body, if the shaman notion of never quite dying is a way of reaching some sort of christ-like status in which they plan a second coming in which they will still have their body, and will be able to carry out some purpose here on Earth using the skillsets they have acquired while on the other side.
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Re: I am waiting for some Acacia confusa [Re: lot_justice]
#19403989 - 01/11/14 01:57 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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lot_justice said: Brings up an interesting point about the death of certain shamans. Supposedly the top dawgs succeed in escaping a normal death. If their life is successful, some shamans supposedly just sort of slip out of existence when their time comes, rather than pass away. Supposedly a band of shamans get together to do this, and make a purposeful transition into the other realms when their collective time is at hand.
Which begs the question, what is the point of this? It may sound hokey, but I myself have accidentally stepped into different planes (or maybe not so accidentally, it felt like there were other shamans around at the time which used energy fields that sort of influenced my behaviors). I'm wondering if just as I was able to come back from these places to my physical body, if the shaman notion of never quite dying is a way of reaching some sort of christ-like status in which they plan a second coming in which they will still have their body, and will be able to carry out some purpose here on Earth using the skillsets they have acquired while on the other side.
I don't know about coming back for some purpose but maybe it's similar to Buddhist teachings where they try to escape from the cycle of death and rebirth. Actually I've heard that idea you're talking about. Do you know of any books that talk about it? Now that you mentioned it I'm dying to read more (ba-dum-chi).
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Re: I am waiting for some Acacia confusa [Re: Aopocetx]
#19404121 - 01/11/14 02:25 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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With books on shamanism I often find two poles: Either they very dry and written by white anthropologists in the 1930's who subtly discriminate against the indigenous cultures, or they are from former anthropologists who leap over the line of academic and lose all credibility, falling into the fiction category. This being said, I believe that the people who chose to sacrifice their academic credibility often take us further to the heart of things.
The Shaman's Body is a book by Arthur Mindell which is quite excellent. Mindell does retain his credibility, and is very open minded.
I suggest the Carlos Casteneda books. It's only through strange personal experiences that I can say these books have great worth. Otherwise, I would write them off as good reads, and consider Carlos a total hack. Stick to his Don Juan books; After Don Juan himself left for eternity Carlos started saying some wild shit in his books that I don't know how to feel about.
There's a wonderful book called "Rock Crystals and Peyote Dreams" about the Huichol. I can't remember who wrote it, but that book never strays too far from the anthropological viewpoint and is incredibly lucid.
"The Four Winds: A Shaman's Odyssey into the Amazon" by Villoldo and Jendrensen is a great book as well.
Finally there's a Russian psychologist named olga kharitidi who wrote "Into the Circle" and "The Master of Lucid Dreams". These books definitely toe the line of factual credibility, but anything of true value in the realm of Shamanism often does. Even if everything in her stories was a complete work of utter fiction, there's an underlying power which inhabits the words of her stories. These books are definitely worth reading. Nothing life shattering, but they will get the wheels spinning.
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Re: I am waiting for some Acacia confusa [Re: lot_justice]
#19404161 - 01/11/14 02:35 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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And the notion of Shaman's leaving body and all (like the Virgin Mary never died and just ascended directly into heaven, leaving no trace behind) probably isn't related to anything Buddhist at all. The Buddhists don't like the body. They wouldn't condone an attachment to it that goes beyond this world.
I'm going to be straight up- Buddhists texts which try to school the practitioners to despise the body, and therefore refute sexuality, are some of the most depreciating piles of vile garbage I've ever come across. They try to point out to how you never truly love a woman's body, you love how she dresses it up with scents and the such, because naturally the body, as they would have you believe, is a "putrid" thing. They are a shining example of rationality run rampant; a constant attempt to thwart out the animal intuition shamanism praises.
For the Shaman there is no sure-all way to escape suffering forever, but the true warrior learns how to live outside of it 99.9% of the time on Earth, and he does this before he makes that journey into the other realms. It's not a question of escaping suffering when he leaves. It's also not an escape of death because the shaman usually dies at the very beginning of their training/shamanic life. That's usually the true jump start into the game. You have to die and then you're back, but the You that you were before isn't really back. You're somebody else entirely, and the person that you are isn't fully present in this world. He has one foot in this world, and one foot in the other.
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Re: I am waiting for some Acacia confusa [Re: lot_justice]
#19404301 - 01/11/14 03:10 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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I've read Castaneda's first book and I loved it. I'll check out those other books. Thanks.
I have one last question. Do you think I shouldn't take etizolam with the Syrian Rue? I was just gonna have it in case I needed to be calmed down but I don't know about interactions with MAOIs. Does it have interactions? I can't find much on Google.
Edit: actually I found some stuff that says it's safe so nevermind.
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Re: I am waiting for some Acacia confusa [Re: Aopocetx]
#19404364 - 01/11/14 03:28 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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When u doing it i gor some on the stove too
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Re: I am waiting for some Acacia confusa [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
#19404557 - 01/11/14 04:16 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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1slow2v said: When u doing it i gor some on the stove too
I just took the Rue so in 30 minutes. Maybe I'll meet you in hyperspace later?
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Re: I am waiting for some Acacia confusa [Re: Aopocetx]
#19404639 - 01/11/14 04:33 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Be prepared for the purge
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Re: I am waiting for some Acacia confusa [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
#19404668 - 01/11/14 04:38 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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I am, thanks. 
Hopefully I can purge my anxieties and fears too.
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