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NSA intercepts computer deliveries
    #19345219 - 12/30/13 06:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Looks like Snowdens information is Snowballing.

LONDON (AP) — A German magazine lifted the lid on the operations of the National Security Agency's hacking unit Sunday, reporting that American spies intercept computer deliveries, exploit hardware vulnerabilities, and even hijack Microsoft's internal reporting system to spy on their targets.

One of the most striking reported revelations concerned the NSA's alleged ability to spy on Microsoft Corp.'s crash reports, familiar to many users of the Windows operating system as the dialogue box which pops up when a game freezes or a Word document dies. The reporting system is intended to help Microsoft engineers improve their products and fix bugs, but Der Spiegel said the NSA was also sifting through the reports to help spies break into machines running Windows. One NSA document cited by the magazine appeared to poke fun at Microsoft's expense, replacing the software giant's standard error report message with the words: "This information may be intercepted by a foreign sigint (signals intelligence) system to gather detailed information and better exploit your machine."

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/12/29/report-nsa-intercepts-computer-deliveries/4244181/


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: sweeper54]
    #19345227 - 12/30/13 06:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well that's terrifying.


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Myceliums]
    #19345234 - 12/30/13 06:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Terrifying that people get supprised by this...


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Icyus]
    #19345302 - 12/30/13 07:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

With the billions (trillions?) spent by the NSA, and the ease at which information can be obtained in this digital age, how anyone could not expect this kind of thing is a mystery.

When you think the Stasi had a scent database (all citizens scents on a rag in a jar) and a database of all typewriters, it's not surprising an organisation infinitely larger and better funded is keeping a track of EVERYTHING which happens digitally.  I'm only astounded that they have the hardware to store the masses of data they gather every day.

I'm going to fire up my Sinclair Spectrum+2 - I'm pretty sure the NSA didn't backdoor that!


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: sweeper54]
    #19345514 - 12/30/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Obviously the solution is more big Federal government, right?  :smirk:


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Guy1980]
    #19347105 - 12/30/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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With the billions (trillions?) spent by the NSA, and the ease at which information can be obtained in this digital age, how anyone could not expect this kind of thing is a mystery.

When you think the Stasi had a scent database (all citizens scents on a rag in a jar) and a database of all typewriters, it's not surprising an organisation infinitely larger and better funded is keeping a track of EVERYTHING which happens digitally.  I'm only astounded that they have the hardware to store the masses of data they gather every day.

I'm going to fire up my Sinclair Spectrum+2 - I'm pretty sure the NSA didn't backdoor that!




They built the world's largest data storage center in Utah not too long ago.


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: setb]
    #19347857 - 12/30/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I say conspiracy!

Or just plain piracy.

Whatever


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Patlal]
    #19351498 - 12/31/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

I have seen this and it stinks if true.  Do you know how to get around it?  Go to a fucking store and buy a computer you can walk out with before the black hats can touch it.


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19351524 - 12/31/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

I don't believe it.  I think snowden is a double agent acclimate ing people to the new spy grid.  It was becoming common knowledge that the NSA was spying domestically even before snowden.  I think snowden is now being used to announce  and confusr these things


For Example; IBM and Microsoft have been working with intelligence agencies since the very beginning.  They eere started by signals intelligence.  I think for example; the error report story is a cover to hide the fact that microsoft intentionally codes in backdoors for intelligence agencies to access.  IBM and the microchip were started with the sole purpose of tracking citizens by the government.


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19351554 - 12/31/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

The article did say it was targeted orders and not scooping up random hardware.

... if the NSA tracked a target ordering a new computer or other electronic accessories, TAO could tap its allies in the FBI and the CIA, intercept the hardware in transit, and take it to a secret workshop where it could be discretely fitted with espionage software before being sent on its way.


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: sweeper54]
    #19351664 - 12/31/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Espionage software?  I'm pretty sure its built into all computers already.

I think this is a cover story to hide the fact that backdoors are already built into most computers.

they don't want you to know that but they also need a story to tell the public to confuse how they are actually doing it.


"we intercept terrorist computers and install spyware"  sounds a lot better than "all consumer grad computers are shipped out with NSA backdoors already built in and we can spy on anyone anytime in secret"


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Shins]
    #19353334 - 01/01/14 12:23 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

The powers have shit stored on us that we can't even remember we typed or said. As long as we've been coming on the internet, since when, 1993, anything we've done that can be directly traced to the individual is being stored in super computers. They can lay out an electronic timeline of our lives, every text, email, phone call. Think it's not so?


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: happygolucky]
    #19354298 - 01/01/14 11:04 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Of course it's not so.  There isn't enough data storage in the world for that.


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Enlil]
    #19354749 - 01/01/14 01:33 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

There certainly is actually.


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Enlil]
    #19354966 - 01/01/14 02:38 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Of course it's not so.  There isn't enough data storage in the world for that.




If the data centre in Utah is at the top end of the (sensible) estimates of storage capacity, it's certainly possible they have all voice calls, text based communications and CCTV.

A 65 mega Watt data centre is a fucking massive data centre.


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Guy1980]
    #19354973 - 01/01/14 02:40 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Not even close to enough storage for what you're talking about.


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Enlil]
    #19354980 - 01/01/14 02:43 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

I disagree.

I don't know where you got that Idea Enlil.


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Shins]
    #19355035 - 01/01/14 03:01 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Simple math. 

On top of that, they couldn't possibly have all cctv video since most cctv systems are standalone and would require the government to physically tap into them.


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Enlil]
    #19355050 - 01/01/14 03:06 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

I admit the CCTV I referred to would be the CCTV that is accessible to the NSA.  Upon reflection, it was a stupid claim.

Would you agree that all digital person to person communications (skype, phone, text, email etc.) could feasibly be stored in a ~10 exabyte data centre?


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Enlil]
    #19355070 - 01/01/14 03:09 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Simple math. 

On top of that, they couldn't possibly have all cctv video since most cctv systems are standalone and would require the government to physically tap into them.





Simple math hey?

good to know.

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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Shins]
    #19355077 - 01/01/14 03:12 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Stop your struggle and feel peace and love!


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Guy1980] * 1
    #19355088 - 01/01/14 03:16 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Not even close, dude. Cell phone voice communication alone is 2.3 trillion minutes a year.  And that's just in the u.s. Even compressed at very low quality, that would take over half an exabyte of storage per year.  Also, the quality would have to be high enough to be useful.  That doesn't even include land lines.  Further, video takes a lot more storage per minute, and cctv cameras run 24/7...


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Enlil]
    #19355115 - 01/01/14 03:29 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Fair enough.  I was working on 10 Exabytes used to store data for 3 billion people (not everyone has a phone/email etc.).  Call it 3GB each - it seemed plenty to me.  But then I'm skewed because I don't make many calls etc.

I suppose with legislation to make certain service providers store records of customer data (texts etc) and the NSA filling the blanks, it would be possible to keep a digital history of a LOT of people.  But the blanket coverage of all comms ever does seem unrealistic now I think a bit more about it.

Further to that, just blindly recording everything would be an inefficient way of doing things.

Still, 65 mega Watts!  Another 20 of them data centres and we'll be able to travel through time.


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Guy1980]
    #19355139 - 01/01/14 03:34 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Cell companies don't store texts for very long.  A couple of weeks is about the outer limit.


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Enlil]
    #19355171 - 01/01/14 03:40 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

OK, so all comms is intercepted and scored, with high scoring individuals earning the privilege of getting all their data recorded.  Is that in the realms of reality?

It's a long way from my original claim :blush:


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Guy1980]
    #19355201 - 01/01/14 03:46 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

It's possible from a storage standpoint, sure...  Still, I think you're overestimating the amount of access to information the nsa has.  Keep in mind that they have an annual budget of around 11 billion.  That's a lot to you and me, but in the grander scheme, it's not exactly a huge budget.


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    #19355349 - 01/01/14 04:32 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

I work on the assumption (however paranoid it may be) that the NSA has access to all communication which takes place in the US.  Be it via agreement with the service provider or not, I don't think there's a great deal of information that's not monitored.

I live near Menwith Hill*, and being a bit autistic I guess I've let myself get carried away, but I've heard military "friend of a friend" stories that pre-date Snowdon. The consensus is there's no communications within range of the base that can't be intercepted and decrypted.  I'd be willing to bet that the truth isn't as paranoid as I believe, but is not as pedestrian as you believe either.

*You can bet your sweet ass that this communication is now taking up 1kB of space in Utah :laugh:.


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Guy1980]
    #19355384 - 01/01/14 04:39 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

You're free to be paranoid, but monitoring all internet traffic wouldn't be feasible from a bandwidth or signal processing standpoint.


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Enlil]
    #19355415 - 01/01/14 04:46 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Stop crushing my paranoia with reality!  You'll be telling me it's safe to leave the house next!

Don't forget it's not all internet traffic that needs to be monitored.  It's a trivial task to filter the Netflix, Youtube and other passive traffic.  When you strip the kittens out of the internet, the 5% that's left is more easy to analyse.


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Re: NSA intercepts computer deliveries [Re: Guy1980]
    #19366477 - 01/04/14 12:10 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Well, if you are on a CDMA system, unless 1) The carrier gives the spreading code to the government or 2) the NSA got their way back in the early 2000's and forced CDMA systems to put a 'backdoor' in the chipset so they could access a transmission, a CDMA call can't be decoded.

CDMA was originally an anti-jam/secure data link technology used by the military in the 1970's, and from that technology qualcomm introduced the CDMA cell phone system to the commercial market.

In the early 2000's, the government was trying to get a law through forcing cell phone makers of CDMA cell phones to put a hardware trap in the chips so they could intercept calls.  If that didn't happen, then cell phone calls (On CDMA systems, i.e. verizon, etc) are secure.  The other way is with the unique spreading code, and you would have to obtain a warrant to obtain the spreading code from the carrier, and the spreading code is unique for each user.

My source?  I worked as an engineer at Qualcomm for 4 years.


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