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On Belief * 2
    #19344907 - 12/30/13 04:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

"Belief is the death of intelligence" Robert Anton Wilson


  After reading prometheus rising and finding myself in general agreement, i lived by this very philosophy..
For years I undid everything i thought to be real to find what was, and my essense remains, but every belief i held was and is challenged on a daily basis..eventually opening my mind up to a various degree of ideas and the such that would have been previously ignored or completely misunderstood.

As i destroyed everything that defined "me" i came to realize that i am more than my opinion, that indeed half the time we think we think we are thinking, we are actually listening. That I could be wrong, very wrong about a lot of things. That it was very likely that a lot of people are wrong about a lot of things, that evidence is a largely subjective thing, meaning that many currently accepted theory will eventually turn out to be false or incomplete, as godel ironically showed in his incompleteness theorems.

I now feel that robert anton wilson was being cheeky with that original statement as if to say, "not even this statement should be trusted", with a wink.

Belief is the birth of intelligence and the death of it all at once. Belief, in my experience, is actually hugely important, its the attachment to beliefs which brings death to intelligence, not the belief itself.
  Without taking a stand, without believing in oneself or ideas...no passion would bloom, no progress made. Without the eventual death of the belief, no progress would be made. They are interdependent on each other with regards to overall intelligence increase.

Your believing is your power and also your weakness. It is yin and yang.
By faith alone, you "know" everything.


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Re: On Belief [Re: hTx] * 1
    #19345063 - 12/30/13 05:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

cool post dude i believe i like that sentiment :thumbup:


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Re: On Belief [Re: quinn]
    #19345230 - 12/30/13 06:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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quinn said:
cool post dude i believe i like that sentiment :thumbup:




don't stop believin'.



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Re: On Belief [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19345528 - 12/30/13 09:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What was it that Jung said?  Something along the lines of: I do not believe.  I either know a thing -- and then I know it -- or I don't know it.  There is no belief.

(That is not a quote but a recollection which is approximately right).

That said, I dig what you're saying.  Belief is clearly necessary, because -- very much along the lines of Robert Anton Wilson -- how do we know we know a thing?  We can only assign a proposition a relative probability; certainty and dualistic thinking are traps.

One could really very cogently make the case that all of our personal knowledge is really a matter of faith.  Albeit, educated faith -- but a belief nonetheless.

I agree with you that beliefs are made to be transcended, and that these further beliefs, at the appropriate time, will be another superstructure to be transcended.

It is this turnover of beliefs that is the essence of intelligence.  We must constantly learn and put our theories into perspective, in order to create newer and better theories.  (Hopefully we can keep on doing this forever).

If you're not growing, if you're static and think that your theory explains everything, in a sense you are already dead.  Or at the very least in an existential paralysis.


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Re: On Belief [Re: hTx]
    #19345668 - 12/30/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the truth killed by belief concept, is the will that mean to prove how any is possible because superior .. what prove truth being infinite superiority always .. so when negative thing exist it means evil is there so forces meaning to possess positive truth ... as negative cannot be real nor free so never true then only through always lies conscious lies

this fact is killed by evil reversing it first, like reaching the end of one superiority will instead of objective thing superior existence .. and then searching to get all possible credit from, like meaning believing others for god superiority and so on .. selling the fruit of the evil work to share false glory of being someone

at a point of time it is clear that all your religious background would be killed literally.. it is starting only by people like me

all is of lies and it will be clear soon enough I guess

be lieve.. literally mean objective superiority to oneself

this equation prove that believe is false

oneself is freedom and not superiority which is always objective infinite values present realities so no one and none

belief is to evil so god one possession on all existence rights


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Re: On Belief [Re: hTx]
    #19345685 - 12/30/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hey nice to find myself in agreement with you. :thumbup:

To some degree it seems very likely to me that we are wrong about everything. But to live in that limbo would be very difficult. Belief is helpful then.  But like you said being attached to your beliefs is another problem.  One must learn to be very flexible and open minded  then.


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Re: On Belief [Re: Icelander]
    #19345724 - 12/30/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
Hey nice to find myself in agreement with you. :thumbup:

To some degree it seems very likely to me that we are wrong about everything. But to live in that limbo would be very difficult. Belief is helpful then.  But like you said being attached to your beliefs is another problem.  One must learn to be very flexible and open minded  then.




I Believe.



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Re: On Belief [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19348671 - 12/30/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

A general agreeance?!

:smile:

no way am i dreaming? Thanks for the kind words my brethrens.


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Re: On Belief [Re: hTx]
    #19348890 - 12/30/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)
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RAW is amazing. I love his stuff, and this post makes me wanna revisit him. I've attached Prometheus here if anyone's interested. It's very sensible to me, and RAW was one of the few who walked his talk.

I've always wanted to read the cosmic trigger series.


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