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Re: Republicans and Democrats Explain Something To Me..... [Re: Enlil]
    #19325757 - 12/25/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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After you've personally apologized to every former slave, at their graves, you'll be absolved.




As a African American man I can attest this to be a fact. By the very virtue of my Ebony skin, I have the authority to speak for all of my people.


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Re: Republicans and Democrats Explain Something To Me..... [Re: Barack Obama II]
    #19344153 - 12/29/13 11:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Can that guy explain to me why the EPA was a bad thing?


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Re: Republicans and Democrats Explain Something To Me..... [Re: Blazedeg]
    #19344189 - 12/29/13 11:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Can that guy explain to me why the EPA was a bad thing?




Because it is used politicially to attack certain industries.  The CONCEPT isnt bad but really, what have they achieved?  the US air and water is cleaner than ever, and has been improving since the early 70s.  The one key factor in clean air is the catalytic converter which was implemented to comply with EPA regulation.

The problem is, the EPA regulates and legislates i.e. they make decisions and rules that CONGRESS should be making. 

US industries have no compelling reason to poison the air or water. If they did, they would either get fined, or people would be angry at them. 

Remember what Van Jones, the short lived green czar said:  "The color of communism is no longer red, it is GREEN"


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Re: Republicans and Democrats Explain Something To Me..... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19345212 - 12/30/13 06:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The problem is, the EPA regulates and legislates i.e. they make decisions and rules that CONGRESS should be making. 




That's the point of a government agency.  The EPA has to operate within the confines of congressional legislation just like every other federal agency.


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Re: Republicans and Democrats Explain Something To Me..... [Re: Enlil]
    #19347009 - 12/30/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The problem is, the EPA regulates and legislates i.e. they make decisions and rules that CONGRESS should be making. 




That's the point of a government agency.  The EPA has to operate within the confines of congressional legislation just like every other federal agency.



The EPA operates outside of Congressional legislation quite a bit.


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Re: Republicans and Democrats Explain Something To Me..... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19347375 - 12/30/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Lol...support that claim with some evidence, please.  Thank you in advance.


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Re: Republicans and Democrats Explain Something To Me..... [Re: Enlil]
    #19347524 - 12/30/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Republicans and Democrats Explain Something To Me..... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19347751 - 12/30/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How, exactly, is that outside of the authority delegated to the epa through legislation?


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Re: Republicans and Democrats Explain Something To Me..... [Re: Enlil]
    #19347841 - 12/30/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How is it within their authority to determine that a naturally occurring gas necessary for plant life to be a pollutant?  Do you think they also have the authority to declare oxygen a pollutant?


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Re: Republicans and Democrats Explain Something To Me..... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19347906 - 12/30/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Almost all pollutants are naturally occurring substances.


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Re: Republicans and Democrats Explain Something To Me..... [Re: Enlil]
    #19347965 - 12/30/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Really?  I would look at the list before I made that statement if I were you.  For instance I do not believe that CFCs are naturally occurring.  I could be wrong but I don't think so.  Or PCBs and I could go on.

Of course you are correct in the broader sense that it is the dose that makes the poison but this is beyond the pale.  It is an essential gas, not a pollutant.  Life on earth would be gone without it.


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Re: Republicans and Democrats Explain Something To Me..... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19349972 - 12/31/13 06:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Of course it's essential in a certain concentration.  Above that level, however, it becomes harmful.  At an even higher level, it's toxic.  You know all of this.  The point of listing it as a pollutant doesn't mean that the goal is to eradicate all CO2 emissions...You know that, too. 

The point is that once it's on the list, acceptable levels can be regulated.  Are humans going to be fined for breathing out too much CO2?  Of course not.  Scientists, however, have come to the consensus that human activity is responsible for climate change on this planet and the most significant cause is carbon emissions.  I know you're one of the few die-hard holdouts hanging on to your denial, but that doesn't change the facts.

The EPA has been delegated the authority to look at the science and make determinations.  If Congress disagrees, they always have the power to override any decision of the EPA or to disband the EPA altogether.


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Re: Republicans and Democrats Explain Something To Me..... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19350400 - 12/31/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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US industries have no compelling reason to poison the air or water. If they did, they would either get fined, or people would be angry at them. 





As long as the industries don't get caught, it's very cost effective for them to pollute. I worked in a CAFO for a short stint, and those guys were all butthurt about the EPA and had no qualms about subverting the law as long as they thought they wouldn't get caught.


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Re: Republicans and Democrats Explain Something To Me..... [Re: Barack Obama II]
    #19351477 - 12/31/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Negro please, you've never worked a day in your life. However you are expert in all things law, in particular when you think you won't get caught


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Re: Republicans and Democrats Explain Something To Me..... [Re: Enlil]
    #19351491 - 12/31/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Of course it's essential in a certain concentration.  Above that level, however, it becomes harmful.  At an even higher level, it's toxic.  You know all of this.  The point of listing it as a pollutant doesn't mean that the goal is to eradicate all CO2 emissions...You know that, too.




From 3 hundredths of a percent to 4 hundredths of a percent?  You might as well declare semen a pollutant.  You know as well as I do that this is a power grab that has not one damn thing to do with pollution.
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The point is that once it's on the list, acceptable levels can be regulated.  Are humans going to be fined for breathing out too much CO2?  Of course not.  Scientists, however, have come to the consensus that human activity is responsible for climate change on this planet and the most significant cause is carbon emissions.  I know you're one of the few die-hard holdouts hanging on to your denial, but that doesn't change the facts.




Bull fucking shit.  I would stick to law if I were you and completely avoid opining on anything scientific.  It is beyond your ken.
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The EPA has been delegated the authority to look at the science and make determinations.  If Congress disagrees, they always have the power to override any decision of the EPA or to disband the EPA altogether.




This is a problem with giving unelected bureaucrat control freaks absolute power but I don't believe they actually have it by law.  This is going to the big court, I hope.


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Re: Republicans and Democrats Explain Something To Me..... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19351534 - 12/31/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's all just a waist of time. :feelsbatman:


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Re: Republicans and Democrats Explain Something To Me..... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19351622 - 12/31/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't need to opine about this...the scientific community has already spoken, and I'll take their consensus over the opinion of a contractor any day.


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Re: Republicans and Democrats Explain Something To Me..... [Re: Enlil]
    #19351682 - 12/31/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Trouble comes when you mix politics with science.

the facts don't necessarily agree with what enlil asserts, there is not a consensus.

Politically motivated people want to claim there is though.

and even if scientists agree, its not logical to also agree just because a group of people say it


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Re: Republicans and Democrats Explain Something To Me..... [Re: Enlil]
    #19351696 - 12/31/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't need to opine about this...the scientific community has already spoken...



The "scientific community" is not monolithic. I've never read of an actual scientist calling CO2 a pollutant.

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...and I'll take their consensus over the opinion of a contractor any day.



Science doesn't work by consensus. And there isn't even a consensus in the scientific community that CO2 is a pollutant.


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Re: Republicans and Democrats Explain Something To Me..... [Re: Enlil]
    #19351928 - 12/31/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't need to opine about this...the scientific community has already spoken, and I'll take their consensus over the opinion of a contractor any day.



No, they have not.  The media community has spoken


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