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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: Starskii]
#19340853 - 12/29/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd say it can be argued either way...to some people they may tell us everything we know may not be as it seems, since tripping is probably the most unusual out-of-everyday experience people can experience.
On the other hand, although they make us question reality and what we know...they are basically proof that even the strangest things can be explained in terms of chemicals and reactions, science and facts.
If someone became more or less religious as a direct result of tripping, i'd say it would be purely down to their preconceptions and what they actually saw/thought while high. For example if you took 10 tabs and an angel told you you were Jesus reborn, how do you know you wouldn't believe it? On 10 tabs I bet anything could seem possible :P
EDIT: For arguments sake, I am an atheist btw.
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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: nicechrisman]
#19340870 - 12/29/13 10:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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There is something I wanna share with you guys because I think it may help some of you understand. I read a book that said that we communicate through God through our subconscious. Now, I am in NO way diminishing the greatness of God but I feel that it helps the logical ones of us. Basically, when we pray our actions change on a subconscious level and our prayers are fulfilled. I am not saying that God isn't beyond that because I believe He is but it just makes so much sense. Our minds are linked to greater things that we just don't understand. You know how people talk about linking into a collective consciousness? I believe that's part of it.
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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: Aopocetx]
#19340875 - 12/29/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: Aopocetx]
#19340922 - 12/29/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Aopocetx said: There is something I wanna share with you guys because I think it may help some of you understand. I read a book that said that we communicate through God through our subconscious. Now, I am in NO way diminishing the greatness of God but I feel that it helps the logical ones of us. Basically, when we pray our actions change on a subconscious level and our prayers are fulfilled. I am not saying that God isn't beyond that because I believe He is but it just makes so much sense. Our minds are linked to greater things that we just don't understand. You know how people talk about linking into a collective consciousness? I believe that's part of it.
When we are tripping, we realize the purpose of everything we think about, at least I do. Things that you are being told & shown you believe and it's not you specifically thinking about these things, you are being shown, and you believe what your seeing and feeling.
For instance the sun, my first trip, I made many realizations and things that you wouldn't normally feel, you will die without light, how the sun is truly every living organism on Earths source of Life. our minds are linked to greater things for sure, and we definitely don't understand it. When the sun sets, you would normally watch it in peace, tripping I learned everything about anything I was being shown through my own psyche. But who is on the other side showing you these sights?
I think what we see, feel and believe is Truth shining right through.
It's up to you how you want to use the information :P
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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#19341053 - 12/29/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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When we are tripping, we realize the purpose of everything we think about, at least I do. Things that you are being told & shown you believe and it's not you specifically thinking about these things, you are being shown, and you believe what your seeing and feeling.
I understand what you're saying but I believe in God because of my own experiences. The thing is I was raised Christian and at that point you could say I believed other people's thoughts, but I became an atheist for a pretty long time and in the end I had an experience where I could never deny God again. That's just me. But what you said applies to me in no way.
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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: Aopocetx]
#19341071 - 12/29/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think tripping leads you to become atheist for everyone. Until about three days ago, I considered myself an atheist. However, I don't think this is the best word to describe me anymore.
I don't think there is a God per se who we must pray to and is responsible for everything that happens on the Earth; however, I can find some credence in the existence of some higher power that put things into play. Like what is existence in the first place, and how did things come into being? There had to be something to start it all...
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I think both science and spirituality are essentially the two sides of the same coin. By spirituality I don't mean religion (though they probably share the same root) but more like the creative, intuitive mind. I think psychedelics are tools to get entry to this irrational, strange inner world. Some call it God, some collective unconscious, some hyperspace, but whatever it is, it cannot be explained by science. At least not in the current form. For the greater understanding of the workings of the world, one is not enough on its own to explain how the universe and/or the mind works.
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Yeah it sure trips you out thinking about the beginning of everything and especially evolution, how we found a decent food source and managed to develop so perfectly without dying...its such a mindfuck its rediculous. When you think of all the ways we got lucky evolving it really makes you wonder if something did create us. What if the universe...created us because it wanted consciousness rather than nothingness (pantheism)? There clearly are flaws with us so i kind of doubt something with its own consciousness could have created us because it would realize all the flaws.
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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: Jvells]
#19342385 - 12/29/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Look into reptilian theories. An interesting account during an LSD session lead by Stanislav Grof may verify some of this too.
Most disconcerting of all were those experiences in which the patient’s consciousness appeared to expand beyond the usual boundaries of the ego and explore what it was like to be other living things and even other objects. For example, Grof had one female patient who suddenly became convinced she had assumed the identity of a female prehistoric reptile. She not only gave a richly detailed description of what it felt like to be encapsuled in such a form, but noted that the portion of the male of the species’ anatomy she found most sexually arousing was a patch of colored scales on the side of its head. Although the woman had no prior knowledge of such things, a conversation Grof had with a zoologist later confirmed that in certain species of reptiles, colored areas on the head do indeed play an important role as triggers of sexual arousal.
Michael Talbot. The Holographic Universe, p. 68
I also highly recommend checking out Stanislav Grof's books. Just Google stanislav grof books. Many of them are available for free on kickass.to
-- Also know that Reptilians are known throughout the universe as master geneticists. Over millennia, they have literally genetically created ‘new’ races of beings from blending their original organic Reptilian DNA, with conquered races of other people, including human(oids) from various planets. When Reptilians create these hybrid beings, these hybrid organic 3D people have intelligence, but likely no soul or spiritual essence. Many of them are not created through procreation and are not born in the normal birth process; but are rather typically created in a lab, in a petri dish, they are then ‘grown’ over a period of time in a nutrient solution, and become fully formed blended reptilian/human(oid) beings at ‘birth’. --
http://www.andromedacouncil.com/thehardrealityanddifficulttruth.html#sthash.SeQAL27Y.dpuf
Another article: http://humansarefree.com/2013/10/new-reptilian-world-order-complete.html
In The Pleiadian Agenda, Barbara Hand Clow writes that “the Anunnaki selected women to have sex with them so they could actually birth themselves into the incarnational cycles of Earth
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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: Jvells]
#19342388 - 12/29/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Look into reptilian theories. An interesting account during an LSD session lead by Stanislav Grof may verify some of this too.
-- Most disconcerting of all were those experiences in which the patient’s consciousness appeared to expand beyond the usual boundaries of the ego and explore what it was like to be other living things and even other objects. For example, Grof had one female patient who suddenly became convinced she had assumed the identity of a female prehistoric reptile. She not only gave a richly detailed description of what it felt like to be encapsuled in such a form, but noted that the portion of the male of the species’ anatomy she found most sexually arousing was a patch of colored scales on the side of its head. Although the woman had no prior knowledge of such things, a conversation Grof had with a zoologist later confirmed that in certain species of reptiles, colored areas on the head do indeed play an important role as triggers of sexual arousal. --
Michael Talbot. The Holographic Universe, p. 68
I also highly recommend checking out Stanislav Grof's books. Just Google stanislav grof books. Many of them are available for free on kickass.to
-- Also know that Reptilians are known throughout the universe as master geneticists. Over millennia, they have literally genetically created ‘new’ races of beings from blending their original organic Reptilian DNA, with conquered races of other people, including human(oids) from various planets. When Reptilians create these hybrid beings, these hybrid organic 3D people have intelligence, but likely no soul or spiritual essence. Many of them are not created through procreation and are not born in the normal birth process; but are rather typically created in a lab, in a petri dish, they are then ‘grown’ over a period of time in a nutrient solution, and become fully formed blended reptilian/human(oid) beings at ‘birth’. --
http://www.andromedacouncil.com/thehardrealityanddifficulttruth.html#sthash.SeQAL27Y.dpuf
Another article: http://humansarefree.com/2013/10/new-reptilian-world-order-complete.html
-- In The Pleiadian Agenda, Barbara Hand Clow writes that “the Anunnaki selected women to have sex with them so they could actually birth themselves into the incarnational cycles of Earth
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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: s240779]
#19342881 - 12/29/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Im surely open to all ideas but if reptilians were real what created them...? That pattern would continue which leads me to pantheism, the universe basically created itself. Its all that i think is possible at least unless you can give me a way reptilians could have came about? That answer has gotta be some far out shit is all i know ahahah
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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: Starskii]
#19342920 - 12/29/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interestingly I just watched a documentary on how complex the brain is. There are shown people with various brain damages in different parts of the brain and how it influences on the persons perception of the world. The discussion is detailed with visualization of the specific parts of the brain being involved.
At 40 min into the documentary there is an example of a guy who has seizures in his temporal lobes and amygdala, giving him the sensation that he is the GOD. I think this example is closely linked to what is being discussed here.
If I remember correctly, psychedelics can influence on the temporal lobes and the amygdala and therefore will give similar or identical sensation as that person in the documentary.
I would recommend all to watch the whole program, but the relevant part starts at the 40 minutes where the most interesting part is between 49 and 53 minutes. Enjoy.
Edited by Blind fool (12/29/13 06:44 PM)
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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: Blind fool]
#19343000 - 12/29/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting. I'll definitely check out the documentary. But things like that almost seem like hints that there is a God. Like why is there a part of the brain that makes you feel like God if religion created it? How would it be hardwired into the brain like that?
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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: Aopocetx]
#19343009 - 12/29/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, these all are excellent questions, but really tricky and hard to answer and not tangle yourself into pure speculations.
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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: Starskii]
#19344101 - 12/29/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Starskii said: Tom Leary was an atheist and then he tripped a fuck-ton and turned into a religious guy apparently. But, in my experiences I am a non-religious and my trips seem to reinforce my atheist ideology on the Universe, although I have been opened up to the idea that the Universe itself is a God in a way. But at the same time, we are all the Universe because we exist within it's confines. I just wanted to have a serious conversation on your spiritual experiences on L and if you think they were caused by your general set or if they were genuinely a spiritual experience?
It doesn't really matter what you believe or don't believe if you trip heavily enough - all of it gets washed away and replaced with experiential truth, not fiction. It might make you seem religious to seem people but that's only because they are merely hungry ghosts, as Buddhism says...
The BS ideas that come up while tripping - "this is that", "god is the universe", "i am god" - are just BS ideas with no relevance, they're very similar to schizophrenic thinking and lead nowhere useful. The experience itself is far more powerful than any labels you can possibly apply to it, and living outside of label-land is a vast improvement.
But for me this isn't due to lucy, just to mushrooms. 
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Edited by PrimalSoup (12/29/13 11:11 PM)
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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19345648 - 12/30/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am god, you are too (eternal, infinite, a soul in a body) I am everything I see The soul is perfect God is in all (islam anyone?) I become what I think, my state affects everyone around me I can change everything by changing myself Everything is what we think it is, think positively
Equally great soul in all
They have been useful to me, but I dont deny, I fit to experience
Lsd did most for me, made me remember
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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: lessismore]
#19345700 - 12/30/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Identities are limiting. 
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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19345734 - 12/30/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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PrimalSoup said:
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Starskii said: Tom Leary was an atheist and then he tripped a fuck-ton and turned into a religious guy apparently. But, in my experiences I am a non-religious and my trips seem to reinforce my atheist ideology on the Universe, although I have been opened up to the idea that the Universe itself is a God in a way. But at the same time, we are all the Universe because we exist within it's confines. I just wanted to have a serious conversation on your spiritual experiences on L and if you think they were caused by your general set or if they were genuinely a spiritual experience?
It doesn't really matter what you believe or don't believe if you trip heavily enough - all of it gets washed away and replaced with experiential truth, not fiction. It might make you seem religious to seem people but that's only because they are merely hungry ghosts, as Buddhism says...
The BS ideas that come up while tripping - "this is that", "god is the universe", "i am god" - are just BS ideas with no relevance, they're very similar to schizophrenic thinking and lead nowhere useful. The experience itself is far more powerful than any labels you can possibly apply to it, and living outside of label-land is a vast improvement.
But for me this isn't due to lucy, just to mushrooms. 
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I wouldn't say those are bs ideas without relevance at all, in fact some of the more rewarding revelations. Obviously the language is a constant limiting factor which is why experience itself is necessary, but fuck we're human. We communicate with our own words which accounts for more than a majority of our disharmony. Doesn't mean we don't feel the deeper meaning. "God" is just the label I give to talk about the labeless existence for which I couldn't otherwise communicate
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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19345771 - 12/30/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont mind identifying with my soul, but I can see how it can be interpreted as ego :-)
soul is all the soul sees
but all talk is ego we could also just experience without talking, there is only so much the human language can portray
what I am saying is, I am not just my body - which they made me remember I can leave my body at any time, if practicing enough my consciousness is shared between many people, experiencing is believing
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I wouldn't say those are bs ideas without relevance at all, in fact some of the more rewarding revelations. Obviously the language is a constant limiting factor which is why experience itself is necessary, but fuck we're human. We communicate with our own words which accounts for more than a majority of our disharmony. Doesn't mean we don't feel the deeper meaning. "God" is just the label I give to talk about the labeless existence for which I couldn't otherwise communicate
Fair enough, but that's not the way they're usually used. Language isn't logic, and language isn't necessary for thought. Going beyond language opens up levels of reality that are otherwise missed because they can't be described. Description is not a requirement. The experience is its own validation, communicating it is merely a bonus, IF you succeed.
That's why Shakyamuni (the Buddha) merely held up a flower during his most profound lecture on nonduality. Almost nobody ever "gets" it. But hey, that's just the way it is, and it can't be understood with dualistic thought. 
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