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OfflineOregonBlueShroom
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growbox design question
    #19343973 - 12/29/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have an increasing indoor garden of cacti and other things and a very limited amount of window space. It also gets very cold outside sometimes and the glass sliding door i have my indoor garden near sucks all the heat out of the air.  I want to have my plants in a more controlled environment temp and light wise.

I was thinking a wooden rectangular box minus one wall with a light in it and a small fan.

I have these plants i want to put into it

2 t peruviana 3-5 inches tall
1 kratom cutting
e novo seedlings
several small ornamental cacti

I also wanted to germinate and grow several hot variety of peppers and possibly some tomatoe seedlings in it 2 months before spring that will be later aclimated to outdoors.

How big should i build the box and what type of light do you guys reccomend? Im hoping to find a light and fixture that will work for $100 or less.

Is the fan neccesary?

Any other advice I could use? I dont have alot to invest into it maybe $150 but i want to make sure i build it right and it doesnt go to waste.


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Re: growbox design question [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19344106 - 12/29/13 11:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

or i could leave the e novo and kratom and use the grow box only for small cacti under 1 foot down to seedlings and also tomato and hot pepper seedlings. Mostly wondering what light would be best for this as to not overpower anything but also be enough light for the bigger ones.

I can make one part of the box shadier and keep the smaller more sensitive cacti seedlings on that side.


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Re: growbox design question [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19344356 - 12/30/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

For 20 bucks you could get a small 3 tier wire shelf about 14''x2'.  You could run t5's and insulate it if its chilly.  The top shelf has added warmth from the bottom lights which is nice in chilly climates. Depends on the space you are working with.


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Re: growbox design question [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #19345189 - 12/30/13 06:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I second the T5 option (or second hand T8's if you're on a budget).

Humidity and pests will be the main issue in this project. Humidity is likely to end up too high for cacti (resulting in molds) and too low for tomatoes and chilies, and aphids and spider mites are a very, very real risk.

Personally, I don't really use a grow box; I just suspended two second hand T8 armatures above a surface and put the plants I wanted to help through winter underneath them. Total power consumption of the T8's is probably something like 232W (they're 150cm / ca. 5ft) and they are on a 50/50 schedule. Some plants make it through the winter alright (cacti, sage, mint seems to be doing fine, parsley sometimes pulls through), but others succumb to the dry indoor air.

Moving plants from an indoor to an outdoor setting and/or vice versa works if they're really tough bastards, but many struggle. I always start my chilies and tomatoes indoors but upon transplanting to their outdoor spot, they usually stall for 3-4 weeks. Nearly all of them make it, though. The other way around is mostly useless; I tried moving them back indoors at the end of the season, but none of them survived.


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Re: growbox design question [Re: koraks]
    #19346506 - 12/30/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I guess im switching my prioritys around a little bit, my cacti seem to be doing fine where they are so why fix what isnt broken. Instead of a grow box im going to go with a ballast / light hanging setup so i can adjust height and use it to grow seedlings for peppers such as habenero and some tomatoes. I know spider mites are enevitable so i will treat with a neem soap solution.

The cheapest setup they had at the local hydroponic shop was $118 and had four 2 foot cfls in it. Are flouresent tubes my best option for growing seedlings indoors? I feel like i can make something alot cheaper than $118. Will any flourescent tubes work or will i need a certain light range?

will also be checking out craigslist for a good deal.

What about wattage? I got two 2 foot flourescent tubes but they say 18 watt is that enough or will i need different bulbs?


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Re: growbox design question [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19346935 - 12/30/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Would 1 70 watt hps and two 18 watt 1225 lumen 4100k 24 inch clf tubes be enough to germinate and grow 10-12 pepper tomatoe plants until they are 2 months old?


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Re: growbox design question [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19347233 - 12/30/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I might just buy the one for $118 at the hydro store since it seems like its going to be expensive either way.. Hopefully the bulbs wont be super expensive since i never asked the guy. Atleast i have a couple months to save the extra cash to buy it and also a heating pad.

Or maybe ill wait around for one to show up on craigslist but

im gana take your guys advice and buy a t5 ballast with 4 bulbs


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Re: growbox design question [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19353626 - 01/01/14 03:24 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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OregonBlueShroom said:
Would 1 70 watt hps and two 18 watt 1225 lumen 4100k 24 inch clf tubes be enough to germinate and grow 10-12 pepper tomatoe plants until they are 2 months old?



Nah...maybe only just, but it would probably be stretching things.

Oh, and an armature for 2x 2ft CFL's for $118 is a total ripoff; what the fuck are you doing at an hydroponics store anyway? Just go to any DIY store or better yet, get some second hand armatures for cheap. I paid € 30 (about $45) for 2 armatures with 2x 5ft CFL's in them each (4 CFL's total).


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Re: growbox design question [Re: koraks]
    #19353636 - 01/01/14 03:33 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

the one at the hydro store is 4 tubes.

The two tubes in the quote are ones i already had.

i was mostly there because i wanted to ask the guy some questions about growing indoors. It is the best store for this kind of thing around here though unless i used a local harware store that has equally insane prices but i would have to build the thing from scratch when i have little idea what im doing as far as indoor growing.

I have $150 set aside now and waiting on it checking craigslist, ballasts and hydro gear show up on there alot but its mostly always 400 or 1000 watt HPS setups..


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