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Who is this Amanita?
    #19342909 - 12/29/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)







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Re: Who is this Amanita? [Re: BayerPhi]
    #19342969 - 12/29/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Seems like an Amanita muscaria species. What region of the world are you located?


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Re: Who is this Amanita? [Re: MidnightCity]
    #19342978 - 12/29/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Who is this Amanita? [Re: BayerPhi]
    #19343228 - 12/29/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Are A.persicina that west? Looks a bit yellow for that tho....definitely A.muscaria sp. though


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Re: Who is this Amanita? [Re: art2312]
    #19343288 - 12/29/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Might I add it was a the base of a Pine tree


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Re: Who is this Amanita? [Re: BayerPhi]
    #19343829 - 12/29/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Amanita muscaria var. persicina


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Re: Who is this Amanita? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19368060 - 01/04/14 12:47 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

One of the most delicious mushrooms I've ever eaten.


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Re: Who is this Amanita? [Re: BayerPhi]
    #19368575 - 01/04/14 02:24 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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One of the most delicious mushrooms I've ever eaten.



Sweet! How'd you cook it? Glad to hear you liked it!


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Re: Who is this Amanita? [Re: art2312]
    #19368658 - 01/04/14 02:44 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Very plainly, dried the cap - dipped it in an egg wash, coated it in flour and pan fried. Added a dash of salt and pepper and ate it.
Very good! Just a hint of muscimol in the cap, I was asleep in 30 minutes afterwards.


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Re: Who is this Amanita? [Re: BayerPhi]
    #19368681 - 01/04/14 02:51 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

You dried the cap? Like just dried the water off or dried like you would to preserve it?


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Re: Who is this Amanita? [Re: art2312]
    #19368726 - 01/04/14 03:03 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Dried to preserve it; Ibotenic Acid is nasty stuff.


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Re: Who is this Amanita? [Re: BayerPhi]
    #19368799 - 01/04/14 03:21 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

It doesn't have to be dried for the conversion process to happen. Just frying a fresh one will do.


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Re: Who is this Amanita? [Re: art2312]
    #19368915 - 01/04/14 03:47 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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It doesn't have to be dried for the conversion process to happen. Just frying a fresh one will do.




Ah! Good to know, I was being cautious.


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Re: Who is this Amanita? [Re: BayerPhi]
    #19369179 - 01/04/14 04:48 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

No doubt!


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Re: Who is this Amanita? [Re: art2312]
    #19406431 - 01/12/14 12:20 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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It doesn't have to be dried for the conversion process to happen. Just frying a fresh one will do.




This is false. Ibotenic acid decarboxylates into muscimol through the drying process. You may get some decarboxylation but it won't be a complete conversion. The heat must dry them out, just heating does nothing, unless  some drying occurs as a result. If you Boil fresh Amanita muscaria and then drink the water, you'll be getting mostly ibotenic acid which is about ten times less potent than muscimol, psychoactively speaking. You have to dry them first. I recommend a three part process. Dry, boil and filter. If you do this you will minimize side effects and get a stronger effect. Tea is the best way to go, to find what you are looking for. Don't throw away the mushroom after boiling though, it makes a damn fine edible.

"Nielsen and coworkers independently explored the nonenzymatic decarboxylation of ibotenic acid, reporting that ibotenic acid was stable in watereven at 378C overnight and only after its exposure to boiling water at pH extremes over the course of several hours was any decarboxylation to muscimol noted"

Amanita muscaria subsp. muscaria var. persicina.


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Re: Who is this Amanita? [Re: art2312]
    #19406500 - 01/12/14 12:51 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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Are A.persicina that west?




Yes, all the way to eastern Texas. There are no other known members of the muscaria group in the central-southeast region (Texas to Florida).

I am the first person in history to point this out. :smile:


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Re: Who is this Amanita? [Re: HerbBaker]
    #19407199 - 01/12/14 07:26 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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art2312 said:
It doesn't have to be dried for the conversion process to happen. Just frying a fresh one will do.



This is false.



Shit, I always thought it was true. So it's not heat that decarboxylates ibotenic acid it's oxygen?


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Re: Who is this Amanita? [Re: User_7]
    #19407913 - 01/12/14 11:17 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

There are several factors to consider in the rate of drying. Temperature, air movement and humidity. Even in a fresh mushroom specimen there will be some decarboxylation that has already taken place in direct relation the growing conditions/location. It has been theorized that drying in the sun is the best because the UV-rays also help the conversion process. The exact effects of the UV rays are poorly understood in the conversion process. However, scientists found a 35% yield of muscazone from ibotenic acid when using UV rays. Muscazone is not often talked about and is less understood than ibotenic acid and muscimol, which are poorly understood in their own right. The high yield of the muscazone under UV light could explain a couple things in regards to the effects noted upon ingestion. I like to dry mine in the sun I find the effects to be more pleasurable. Picture natives from eastern siberia going out and collecting large amounts of A. muscaria then hanging them on pine trees to dry, probably the very trees they found them growing under. Once dried, there would be much less weight they would need to carry bringing them home. It's been suggested that this is the origin of the Christmas tree with presents under it. If you dig deep into the entheohistory of A. muscaria you will find that many of the worlds oldest religions and traditions intersect due to this mushroom. However, I'm digressing a bit from the main topic. Ibotenic acid and muscimol are very soluble in water and even a light rain shower will cause some of the active constituents to be lost. You can feel effects from taking a drink of rain-water that has collected in a semi-dried and upturned 'golden-chalice'. If you're ever lucky enough to find one in such a condition, that is. I should point out that most of the actives are found in the skin of the cap and just under it.


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Re: Who is this Amanita? [Re: HerbBaker]
    #19409196 - 01/12/14 05:05 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

I left mine in a brown paper bag in my truck for two weeks.
Eating it only made me go to sleep 30 minutes past consumption with a slight elevation in Heart Rate and blood pressure (increased vascularization).

If that helps any. And I only ate 1 cap, I'm no psychonaut.


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Re: Who is this Amanita? [Re: BayerPhi]
    #19410328 - 01/12/14 09:53 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

If anyone wAnts this Amanita. I'd be happy to send.


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