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What is your biggest vice?
    #19339957 - 12/29/13 01:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Id hafta say mine is self-judgment.
For awhile it was terrible...I'm getting better at not judging myself, for I know how detrimental this is to me.

At times I would absolutely hate myself and other times I'd be conceited.  It was quite ridiculous..I believe I'm in the process of observing this bridge burning, but still find myself resorting to it's same old tricks at times.


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Re: What is your biggest vice? [Re: cez]
    #19340349 - 12/29/13 05:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Over eating and maybe caring what other  people think.  They are both deadly to your health.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: What is your biggest vice? [Re: Icelander]
    #19340355 - 12/29/13 05:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe that I try bother helping people, even though they are doomed...


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Re: What is your biggest vice? [Re: cez]
    #19341966 - 12/29/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Having expectations, I let them keep me away from living in the total moment which I know is the only way to be truly happy with life.


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Re: What is your biggest vice? [Re: Grateful Dead]
    #19342064 - 12/29/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Grateful Dead said:
Having expectations, I let them keep me away from living in the total moment which I know is the only way to be truly happy with life.



Oh now that's a juicy post.  :grin:

In my experience, having expectations is not incompatible with being happy.  Human beings have expectations.  One of the costs of admission to the world of the living is that you have expectations. 

I suspect that even mice have expectations.  I can't know that for sure, but I have a hunch.  I bet that when the mouse emerges from his hole in the morning, he has an expectation of finding good food and returning in the evening to his hole, safe and secure.

How exactly do you think your expectations get in the way of your happiness?


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Re: What is your biggest vice? [Re: all this beauty]
    #19342108 - 12/29/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I get what you are saying, I dont think I will ever be able to escape having some expectations for anything for that will like you said be removing something that is as human as lust, fear or hate.

I think when you have expectations most of the time, its stemmed from fear.

Say you wake up in the moring, and are about to go on a date, you sit outside smoking a cig, drinking coffee and your thoughts drift towards what you WANT the date to be like. You can go through a million amazing and wonderful expectations but will that make you happy? Yes in that moment only, but when you get to the date, you will then go back to what you were expecting. You will be stuck in the PAST and when things dont go well it will shatter what you thought was the idea of a good date or whatever that may or may not happen but its easier if when you were on the deck, enjoying your coffee, instead of building possible impassable expectations for the date, take that moment and enjoy it for what it is, stay in the constant moment, find the joy in it, and then your date will be as wonderful and effortless as sipping coffee and burning a cig on your back deck. :laugh:

Its something like that, Like I said a expectation is not needed if you can just find the joy in the moment, so I think they are bad in a way, because you would only need to build them if you had some level of fear in what is going to happen. Know you dont need to fear


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Re: What is your biggest vice? [Re: all this beauty]
    #19342133 - 12/29/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm finding that anticipation is a better word than expectation.  I anticipate things, rather than expecting.  Expecting seems like you can just sit there and be given something.  Whereas anticipating is like I'm in the action forecasting events on the fly.  Expect is like there's a script already written so you can just expect that to go down.  Whereas anticipate is like its all a bit more up for grabs, more open.  Just a preference I guess.


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Re: What is your biggest vice? [Re: jackSpearows]
    #19342139 - 12/29/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm finding that anticipation is a better word than expectation.  I anticipate things, rather than expecting.  Expecting seems like you can just sit there and be given something.  Whereas anticipating is like I'm in the action forecasting events on the fly.  Expect is like there's a script already written so you can just expect that to go down.  Whereas anticipate is like its all a bit more up for grabs, more open.  Just a preference I guess.




Yeah I like that a lot, great imput man!


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Re: What is your biggest vice? [Re: Grateful Dead]
    #19342150 - 12/29/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Having expectations, I let them keep me away from living in the total moment which I know is the only way to be truly happy with life.




Richard spoke of this.. i prefer accepting that everything can happen, and not let it bother me.. even though I will get to watch my family raped and killed tomorrow..


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Re: What is your biggest vice? [Re: Icyus]
    #19342162 - 12/29/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Erm...what was that last part....


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Re: What is your biggest vice? [Re: Grateful Dead]
    #19342220 - 12/29/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You will be stuck in the PAST and when things dont go well it will shatter what you thought was the idea of a good date or whatever that may or may not happen but its easier if when you were on the deck, enjoying your coffee, instead of building possible impassable expectations for the date, take that moment and enjoy it for what it is, stay in the constant moment, find the joy in it, and then your date will be as wonderful and effortless as sipping coffee and burning a cig on your back deck. :laugh:



I hear ya.  So here's the thing:

You can have expectations that derive from past experiences AND, at the same exact time, savor the moment you're in.  It doesn't have to be an "either / or" thing.  It can be a "both" thing.

A major problem with Eastern spiritual / mystical doctrine, for me, is the idea that you need to surrender or abandon certain human bits in order to realize true happiness.  Bullshit to that, I say.  No need to surrender anything.

The next time you're with that special someone and an "expectation" arises in your mind, instead of dismissing or fearing it, observe it.  Appreciate and accept it as part and parcel of your humanness.  Something every human being from Day One has experienced at one time or the other.

Then let it go.  Return to the current moment.

Takes a little practice, but once you "get it," it'll become easy.

Observe it.  Embrace it.  Don't fear it.  Then let it go.


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Re: What is your biggest vice? [Re: all this beauty]
    #19342298 - 12/29/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Grateful Dead said:
You will be stuck in the PAST and when things dont go well it will shatter what you thought was the idea of a good date or whatever that may or may not happen but its easier if when you were on the deck, enjoying your coffee, instead of building possible impassable expectations for the date, take that moment and enjoy it for what it is, stay in the constant moment, find the joy in it, and then your date will be as wonderful and effortless as sipping coffee and burning a cig on your back deck. :laugh:



I hear ya.  So here's the thing:

You can have expectations that derive from past experiences AND, at the same exact time, savor the moment you're in.  It doesn't have to be an "either / or" thing.  It can be a "both" thing.

A major problem with Eastern spiritual / mystical doctrine, for me, is the idea that you need to surrender or abandon certain human bits in order to realize true happiness.  Bullshit to that, I say.  No need to surrender anything.

The next time you're with that special someone and an "expectation" arises in your mind, instead of dismissing or fearing it, observe it.  Appreciate and accept it as part and parcel of your humanness.  Something every human being from Day One has experienced at one time or the other.

Then let it go.  Return to the current moment.

Takes a little practice, but once you "get it," it'll become easy.

Observe it.  Embrace it.  Don't fear it.  Then let it go.




Yes thats what I try to do, I try and figure out, "why do I feel I must try and think it has to go this way?" Normally it comes down to me fearing if it wont, then it will be bad, so when I figure that out, I can then get it out of my mind and keep in the moment. I'm getting better at it, far from mastering it of coarse, but its a great thing to keep in mind.


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Re: What is your biggest vice? [Re: all this beauty]
    #19342317 - 12/29/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I can agree with that...embracing alone without trying to push away/abandon. The result dissolves the unpleasant, with acceptance and smiles :sun:


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"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
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Re: What is your biggest vice? [Re: cez]
    #19342326 - 12/29/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

my desire for else


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"Springs of water welling from the fire"

"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
-Thich Nhat Hanh
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"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


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Re: What is your biggest vice? [Re: Sse]
    #19344944 - 12/30/13 04:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Addiction which is basically escapism - running away from pain and toward pleasure. This has taken many forms throughout my life from indulgence in over sleeping to hard core drug addiction to an excessive sweet tooth.


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Re: What is your biggest vice? [Re: Deviate]
    #19344966 - 12/30/13 04:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Addiction which is basically escapism - running away from pain and toward pleasure. This has taken many forms throughout my life from indulgence in over sleeping to hard core drug addiction to an excessive sweet tooth.



Heh, every human being ever.


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